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AMD's 'Revolution' will be televised ... if its CPU-GPU frankenchip Kaveri is a hit
The Register ^ | 14 Jan 2014 | By Rik Myslewski,

Posted on 03/03/2014 11:48:29 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Graphics and x86 cores are all just 'compute units' now for our games, videos and apps

AMD has released its long-awaited Kaveri processor, the first accelerated processing unit (APU) to incorporate both on-die CPU and GPU cores in a heterogeneous system architecture (HSA) with a shared memory architecture.

AMD Kaveri - overview

Behold Kaveri, in which CPUs and GPUs are equal 'compute unit' partners (click to enlarge)

"We're going to need to create a new term," AMD product CTO Joe Macri said at a Kaveri briefing, "because HSA has really changed what can be done on the graphics part of the die."

That new term, Macri explained, is compute cores. "The compute cores can either be CPU cores or graphics cores," he said. "We based them on the historical definition of what a CPU is," meaning that in an HSA system, each compute core – CPU or GPU – is programmable, capable of running at least one process in its own context in its own virtual memory space, and do so independently from all the other cores on the 2.41-billion transistor, 245mm2 die.

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: amd; hitech; kaveri
Much interesting detail on decisions made in design process.
1 posted on 03/03/2014 11:48:29 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; ShadowAce

Can someone translate this??


2 posted on 03/03/2014 11:52:44 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ShadowAce; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle
Aimed at laptops amd SFF .

To use 22 nm they need FinFET.

which may not be ready for Carrizo,,,,according to discussion on Semi-Accurate Forum.

3 posted on 03/03/2014 11:53:38 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Is this the recent TV ad for a tablet on which you can do four things at once? I think it was a Samsung ad.


4 posted on 03/03/2014 12:08:16 PM PST by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama’s America)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hmmm....just about ready to build a new machine to replace my aging but still useful Intel dual core 3.4ghz machine.

This will be out of my budget but other chips will drop.

Might have to wait a bit...


5 posted on 03/03/2014 12:11:17 PM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: GeronL
Can someone translate this??

The chip can have up to 12 cores, a mix of CPU (used for regular tasks) of GPU (graphics processing units; used for rendering in games or video, and also for certain intensive calculating tasks).

In short, it can do a lot more stuff in parallel.

6 posted on 03/03/2014 12:18:46 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: GeronL

“of GPU” -> “or GPU”


7 posted on 03/03/2014 12:19:53 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting that they actually say that 22nm will be slower.
Scaling below 28nm is REALLY hard.
Without finfet power goes up, performance drops.
Comments about it being a compromise indicates they are having problems getting power low enough for laptops.
Should work for desktop though.


8 posted on 03/03/2014 12:29:16 PM PST by Zathras
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To: shove_it
Samsunf has an octa chip using ARM ISA....not x86 ISA....

ISA is Instruction Set Architecute,.

9 posted on 03/03/2014 12:34:09 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: GeronL

[ Can someone translate this?? ]

You need to bounce the graviton particle beam from the secondary nadion emiiter through the primary EPS conduiot into the Secondary plasma intake manifold via the Impulse generator bypass....


10 posted on 03/03/2014 12:38:28 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

oh, why didn’t they just say so! Now I get it.


11 posted on 03/03/2014 12:39:08 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL
They had previously mashed a Graphic chip onto the same die as a quad core X86 processor.

They now have seriously improved how they can work together.

With proper programming.

It is a very BIG DEAL for what can be done on a laptop.

12 posted on 03/03/2014 12:41:01 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"AMD will fling radical 'Kaveri' chips onto streets in January"

Holy cow. What happens if a truck tire passes over one of the chips!
This stuff is getting beyond my level to appreciate.
13 posted on 03/03/2014 12:44:03 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: GeronL

I would make an awesome Starfleet engineer, it is all about BSing your way out of technical problems...


14 posted on 03/03/2014 12:44:26 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

You forgot the gizmo. No technical explanation should be w/o a gizmo.


15 posted on 03/03/2014 12:46:28 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: GraceG

You need to bounce the graviton particle beam from the secondary nadion emiiter through the primary EPS conduiot into the Secondary plasma intake manifold via the Impulse generator bypass....

Thank you, Sheldon, that was very illuminating.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 12:51:25 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: prisoner6
You need to read up on the Kaveri chip...

Many complain that does not have enough serious traditional CPU horsepower,...no much complaining about the serious graphics horsepower

17 posted on 03/03/2014 12:53:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Marine_Uncle
WHAT???

If you can run flighty Simulators and ...you can understand this stuff.

18 posted on 03/03/2014 12:59:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: GeronL; Marine_Uncle
Remember...It is a "frankenchip Kaveri"
19 posted on 03/03/2014 1:01:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Absolutely! For me graphics are pretty much secondary. But if Kaveri becomes the hot thing, maybe I can get a better I5.


20 posted on 03/03/2014 1:02:29 PM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Will it run DOS?


21 posted on 03/03/2014 1:05:19 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Lx

Probably... in a Virtual Machine.


22 posted on 03/03/2014 1:14:51 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: GraceG
graviton particle beam from the secondary nadion emiiter

I think you went way wrong in your explanation with the part.

It's not "particle beam", but, "particle bursts".

The rest of your explanation is 100% correct.
23 posted on 03/03/2014 1:16:26 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
RE: "WHAT??? If you can run flighty Simulators and ...you can understand this stuff."

I guess I'm just an over the hill gang member at this this juncture in time.
24 posted on 03/03/2014 1:17:00 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: prisoner6
The i5 will beat it on non graphic stuff.....

The Kaveri will absolutely smoke anythig Intel has on its IGP.

25 posted on 03/03/2014 1:18:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It’s WAY short on general purpose CPU power. They’re ignoring traditional computation to achieve interesting benchmark numbers in multimedia apps.

It’s very good at things most people don’t care about. And even gamers may not like its hit-and-miss performance depending on the title.

The only place it really shines is as a hybrid HD video/light gameplay crossover. It’s fully capable of that.

And if you have tried to install a discreet video card into one of AMD’s A-series systems, you know how screwed up they are.


26 posted on 03/03/2014 1:20:15 PM PST by Advil000
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To: Lx
Will it run DOS?

It will run DOS, and TRES, and CUATRO, etc.

Using such a powerful chip on just "DOS", is like using an A-bomb to toast a marshmallow.
27 posted on 03/03/2014 1:21:39 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: All
Getting tecnical...just saw this:

6-core 16nm FinFET ARM Cortex-A57 chips spotted in the wild

So I guess TSMC is close to Intel and well ahead of Global Foundaries process node.

28 posted on 03/03/2014 1:24:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
RE: "Remember...It is a "frankenchip Kaveri""

Well perhaps the towns people will have a good excuse to run the chips over as they are flung into the streets.
They may gouge the chips with hot torches and pitchforks as well.

On a serious note. I just have lost any interest in following this stuff. But thank you for the ping.
29 posted on 03/03/2014 1:26:36 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: adorno
[ I think you went way wrong in your explanation with the part.

It's not "particle beam", but, "particle bursts".

The rest of your explanation is 100% correct. ]

Thanks, you saved me, i would have had to explain to the admiral why this:

Happened at my court martial...

30 posted on 03/03/2014 1:27:40 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Don’t mention it.

We want our science and technology to be sound, as opposed to that of the “global warming” shysters. ;)


31 posted on 03/03/2014 1:34:34 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Advil000
Read the interview.,....it is aimed at the laptop niche so that a laptop does not need a Nvidia Optimus graphics card.

/They have a leg up on Intel in that little niche.

They also spit out the desktop chips,,....but not so potent in that arena.

May wipe out the market for Graphic cards selling for less than ^100 dollars.

Nvidia got is Maxwell cards out quickly for the just over 100 dollars...

32 posted on 03/03/2014 1:35:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Many complain that does not have enough serious traditional CPU horsepower,...no much complaining about the serious graphics horsepower

Sounds like it could be a great choice for small home theater PCs with silent/passive cooling and the next generation of Roku-type streaming video boxes. If the power requirements and heat generation aren't unmanagable, of course.

33 posted on 03/03/2014 1:38:05 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: adorno

[ We want our science and technology to be sound, as opposed to that of the “global warming” shysters. ;) ]

They thinkt he carbon Balance on a M-Class planet is finicky.... HAH, you can have HUGE variations on Minshara Class planets with little effect...

NOW Anti-Matter... that stuff is TRICKY!!!


34 posted on 03/03/2014 1:42:48 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Charles Martel
See #32.

That seems to be where they were aiming....

But the A10-7850K needs a good cooler.

35 posted on 03/03/2014 1:45:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: GraceG
NOW Anti-Matter... that stuff is TRICKY!!!

It gets less involved if you just call it "TRICKY Matter", because, there's a trick to finding the stuff.
36 posted on 03/03/2014 1:51:40 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: adorno

[ It gets less involved if you just call it “TRICKY Matter”, because, there’s a trick to finding the stuff. ]

You don;t find it, you make it, you just take regular run of the mill Deuterium and then simply rotate it along the 4th dimensional axis to make it into anti-matter....

And by simply I mean that is the “Trick”...


37 posted on 03/03/2014 2:09:39 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This probably means that three years from now I won’t have to buy a graphics card for my new desktop builds and I’ll still be able to afford the computer.

Does anybody know of an affordable graphics card that will run three monitors simultaneously or do I have to buy two cards?


38 posted on 03/03/2014 2:16:23 PM PST by FXRP
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To: GraceG
You don;t find it, you make it, you just take regular run of the mill Deuterium and then simply rotate it along the 4th dimensional axis to make it into anti-matter....

And here I thought all along that, it was "muon mesons" that had to be rotated, and that it had to be done in the 5th dimension thru the 11th.

I would propose that, the "5th Dimension" is preferable, since, muon mesons are more musical that way, and musicality makes them transientially inclined. which makes them the essence of anti-matter and antimasons.

The science isn't settled on that issue, and it's open to more debates. We'll have to consult with Gore and M. Mann for the consensus view.
39 posted on 03/03/2014 2:49:58 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks Ernest.

6-core 16nm FinFET ARM Cortex-A57 chips spotted in the wild
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/03/03/6-core-16nm-finfet-arm-cortex-a57-chips-spotted-wild/


40 posted on 03/03/2014 5:23:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: FXRP

Try AMD Eyefinity.


41 posted on 03/03/2014 8:21:32 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m on my way to check it out.


42 posted on 03/03/2014 8:23:23 PM PST by FXRP
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To: FXRP
I keep finding articles that tell me about stuff on this chip.,...just hit this one:

AMD A10-7850K Kaveri APU review - Performance - DXVA Acceleration & Enhancing MKV 1080P Video

43 posted on 03/03/2014 8:29:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: All; FXRP
Guess the article starts with this limk:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_a10_7850k_apu_review.html

20 pages...may read it fully tomorrow.

44 posted on 03/03/2014 8:49:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
One of the things I've been waiting for in the general computing world is to have cpus that are programmable on the fly (ASICS?), so you could have one programmed to be a compute core for encryption, one for DSP or something, maybe one for some graphics, etc as you need them.

Operating systems would have to be built to specifically take advantage, but I could easily see Linux being up to the task. Something like a modprobe could load up pre-defined cpu instances for tasks rather than simply modules. Rather than loading a program, you'd load a CPU. There are all kinds of things you could do with a system that was flexible enough.

45 posted on 03/04/2014 5:40:49 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: FXRP
I am not up on Displayport but just came adcross this :

EVGA releases DisplayPort Hub by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 12/18/2013 08:29 AM | Source | 0 comment(s) ]

46 posted on 03/05/2014 10:39:33 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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