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Treaty which could drag the US and UK into WAR with Russia
Mail Online ^ | 28 Feb 2014 | Reilly and Edmonds

Posted on 03/03/2014 1:52:11 PM PST by fuente

A treaty signed in 1994 by the US and Britain could pull both countries into a war to protect Ukraine if President Putin's troops cross into the country.

Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine - agreed to the The Budapest Memorandum as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war.

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1 posted on 03/03/2014 1:52:11 PM PST by fuente
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To: fuente

Bush’s Fault!


2 posted on 03/03/2014 1:52:54 PM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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3 posted on 03/03/2014 1:54:22 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: fuente

it’s not a treaty, it never went before the Senate for ratification and carries no legal weight or obligation beyond being an “understanding.”


4 posted on 03/03/2014 1:54:38 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: fuente

Considering that Obama’s goal in any war is to end it, which makes winning against him much easier, Putin may not be worried.


5 posted on 03/03/2014 1:55:02 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: fuente

Just exactly how WW 1 got started..interlocking treaties for protection. WW 2 Also. Cuidado America!


6 posted on 03/03/2014 1:58:20 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: fuente

Don’t worry we have OBAMA. He’s ABOVE the law - ask him!! (Sarcasm)


7 posted on 03/03/2014 1:58:36 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: fuente
A treaty signed in 1994

They've obviously listened to SKerry's recent speech. The Russians have violated treaties as long as treaties have been made with Russia.........

Yawn!

8 posted on 03/03/2014 1:58:43 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: fuente

Let Obama, and Cameron enforce it themselves.

It will be the Charge of the Light in the Loafers Brigade.


9 posted on 03/03/2014 1:59:04 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: fuente

It’s like watching a chess board that a World War is being played on with the opening moves having been made decades ago.

Shades and memories of World War I as opposed to World War II as the latest moves are likely to bring Turkey into the conflict and having the Arab states taking sides against each other based on whether they are Sunni or Shiite.

And at it’s very roots of the conflict are economics and control of resources.

And more than anything else, here we sit, I wonder if the White House and the Congress are deep into a fantasy about the real world or whether they are hoping for a conflict to occur so as to distract everyone’s attention from the ongoing disaster of their internal policies?


10 posted on 03/03/2014 2:00:07 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: tanknetter
it’s not a treaty, it never went before the Senate for ratification and carries no legal weight or obligation beyond being an “understanding.”

Maybe not for the U.S. but what is UK's obligation?

11 posted on 03/03/2014 2:01:00 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: b4its2late

It is Clinton’s fault.

This was a garbage agreement that had no basis in reality....But I bet Clinton thought it would make him look real statesman-like at the time.


12 posted on 03/03/2014 2:01:12 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Hot Tabasco
The Russians have violated treaties as long as treaties have been made with Russia.........

If you think we've lived up to our treaties....ask an Indian.

13 posted on 03/03/2014 2:02:06 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: fuente

Maybe we can send a gay dance troop.


14 posted on 03/03/2014 2:02:52 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: musicman

Ukraine made pretty stupid mistake by trusting Russia and US. Should have kept the nukes - would become very handy right about now.


15 posted on 03/03/2014 2:03:36 PM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Don Corleone

I thought of that also. But that was when there were men running the US and not sissies. I am not worried about this one couuntry bringing us to war. 0% chance of that happening with Obama in charge. My concern is longer term implications for the world seeing the US do nothing.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 2:03:47 PM PST by plain talk
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To: fuente

Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war.

Technically it is very easy to not go to war. Just don’t do it........


17 posted on 03/03/2014 2:04:30 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: Don Corleone

I thought of that also. But that was when there were men running the US and not sissies. I am not worried about this one couuntry bringing us to war. 0% chance of that happening with Obama in charge. My concern is longer term implications for the world seeing the US do nothing.


18 posted on 03/03/2014 2:06:10 PM PST by plain talk
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To: fuente

Will the libtards be in the streets protesting Der Fuhrer?

Pfft...


19 posted on 03/03/2014 2:07:44 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: tanknetter
it’s not a treaty, it never went before the Senate for ratification and carries no legal weight or obligation beyond being an “understanding.”

Beyond that, the Budapest Memorandum doesn't even obligate us (or anyone else) to go to war. It merely states that, in the event of an act of aggression against Ukraine, the signatory states will "seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine."

Just a hunch, but I have a feeling that any "United Nations Security Council action" would not get very far.

20 posted on 03/03/2014 2:10:11 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: fuente

“There will be wars and rumors of wars.” The hits they just keep on coming. The Muzzie in the Mosque on Pennsylvania Avenue wants to down size the United States Army to PRE-World War II size, and now he wants to take on the Soviet Union and their pals the Communist Red Chinese and 500 million murdering thug Muslims.


21 posted on 03/03/2014 2:11:04 PM PST by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: tanknetter

tanknetter is correct. It was never a treaty; if it were intended as a treaty it would have been submitted to the Senate for ratification. This agreement has no force in law.


22 posted on 03/03/2014 2:11:51 PM PST by Always A Marine
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23 posted on 03/03/2014 2:11:55 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Don Corleone

Just exactly how WW 1 got started..interlocking treaties for protection. WW 2 Also. Cuidado America!

As if Barry would give a CRAP about a treaty...


24 posted on 03/03/2014 2:13:30 PM PST by GraceG
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To: fuente

any agreement (it is not a treaty, it was never ratified by the Senate).... that has as its core enforcement provision that disputes will be taken to the United Nations....

is a joke.

(and a Super-sized joke when the signatories hold veto power at the UN Security Council ANYWAY!)

nothing gonna happen there except a lot of hot air maybe


25 posted on 03/03/2014 2:13:52 PM PST by faithhopecharity (" uri)
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To: blueunicorn6

Maybe we can send a gay dance troop.

http://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=NvS351QKFV4


26 posted on 03/03/2014 2:13:59 PM PST by GraceG
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To: tanknetter

“it’s not a treaty, it never went before the Senate for ratification and carries no legal weight or obligation beyond being an “understanding”

Clinton didn’t need to get it ratified, he had a “ pen and a phone”.


27 posted on 03/03/2014 2:14:36 PM PST by willywill
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To: Pollster1
Considering that Obama’s goal in any war is to end it, which makes winning against him much easier, Putin may not be worried.

They also hit the re-set button...


28 posted on 03/03/2014 2:15:22 PM PST by GraceG
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To: fuente

Obama is more interested in taking over America by executive order.
He could care less about the Ukraine, Poland or East Berlin.
In fact, he could care less about ANY white Europeans, or Americans for that matter.


29 posted on 03/03/2014 2:15:50 PM PST by doc maverick
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Just a hunch, but I have a feeling that any "United Nations Security Council action" would not get very far.

Given that Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and thus enjoys unchecked veto power, the Budapest Memorandum was meaningless from the start.

30 posted on 03/03/2014 2:17:27 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: fuente

Guessing most Americans don’t want their family members dying in the middle of this.


31 posted on 03/03/2014 2:19:42 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: fuente

Obama has a pen and a phone. I wouldn’t worry about that treaty.


32 posted on 03/03/2014 2:19:49 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: willywill
Clinton didn’t need to get it ratified, he had a “ pen and a phone”.

"Stroke of the pen, law of the land...kinda cool."

33 posted on 03/03/2014 2:25:40 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: fuente

I see no indication that Obama will honor any international agreements. Ukraine is already under invasion. If the US does not go in, weak and divided Western Europe will no go in alone.


34 posted on 03/03/2014 2:25:41 PM PST by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: fuente

Obama will not honor any agreement like that and because the US won’t move, neither will Britain or any of the EU. Sorry Ukraine, if a majority really do not want to be part of Russia again, you’re hosed.


35 posted on 03/03/2014 2:29:08 PM PST by Marko413
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To: fuente

There is no defense mechanism.


36 posted on 03/03/2014 2:29:52 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: dfwgator

rifles vs bow and arrows.

do the math on that one.


37 posted on 03/03/2014 2:31:20 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: fuente

Bill Clinton – the then-ruler of the USA

Huh???!!!


38 posted on 03/03/2014 2:34:01 PM PST by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: dfwgator
If you think we've lived up to our treaties....ask an Indian.

The very treaties which were violated as much by the Indian tribes as the federal government?

Considering the number of "Indian" owned casinos that have cropped up across this fruited plain, I would think they have been more than compensated, wouldn't you?

Can you say "reparations"? Sure you can..........

39 posted on 03/03/2014 2:41:12 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: fuente
a few weeks back was a report that the US government ordered thousands of 20 round AK 47 magazines and let's not forget about the millions of rounds of ammo the DHS has purchased. Let's see, who could those AK 47 magazines be for? Could that magazine purchase have been in prep for foreign troops to soon be visiting the US?
Scenario: The orchestration of a collapse of the US dollar, leading to a rapid fuel and food depletion, chaos erupts in the US streets, obozo declares martial law and civil war 2 ensues. The obozo then requests Russia and or China to help him regain order.

That sounds too flaky so that can't be it. Besides, obozo would never do that to the America people.

40 posted on 03/03/2014 2:43:31 PM PST by drypowder
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To: demshateGod

And a set of golf clubs!


41 posted on 03/03/2014 2:48:44 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: drypowder

All those millions of rounds are for domestic use only.


42 posted on 03/03/2014 2:49:23 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: blueunicorn6

Or these guys.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI


43 posted on 03/03/2014 3:06:17 PM PST by 22202NOVA ("Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage." -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: fuente
I know one war hero I'd like to send over there.


44 posted on 03/03/2014 3:09:56 PM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: plain talk

The world already sees the US as doing nothing....


45 posted on 03/03/2014 3:25:40 PM PST by JW1949
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To: fuente

So treaties with Russia really are meaningless and will be broken by the Russians just as the Soviets broke every treaty we signed with them as well?

Well I’m sure glad we don’t count on our nuclear deterrent being tied to an arms control treaty that only WE would be enforcing on ourselves.

I mean, it would not be good to be in a position of nuclear inferiority with the Russians, because if they were still the evil empire Reagan stated they were they might become adventurous and try to expand their borders or perhaps try to re-establish the borders of the USSR, or dominate the Arctic or something...


46 posted on 03/03/2014 3:27:10 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: GraceG

The problem as I see it is that some other more masculine leaders might just decide to honor their treaties with one another and bingo...shooting starts which has a way of sucking in even the unwary and unwilling


47 posted on 03/03/2014 3:51:48 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: musicman
The Ukraine basically violated the Budapest Momorandum when it attempted to seek EU integration.

If hussein wanted to send a sharp rebuke to Russia without a direct military confrontation, he could tell the Israeli's to have their way with Iran, or even commence bombing Iran ourselves.

48 posted on 03/03/2014 4:34:28 PM PST by fso301
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