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Md. man sets fire to home using torch to melt ice off front porch
FOX News ^ | 03/04/14 | Lauren DeMarco

Posted on 03/04/2014 7:31:15 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway

It was a close call for one homeowner along Evans Street in Rockville trying to clear the ice off of his front steps.

“[It was a] small fire on the outside of the house,” said Assistant Chief Scott Goldstein of Montgomery County Fire and Rescue. “The homeowner appeared to be using some type of torch device to melt ice near his front porch. He lit the siding on fire with a little bit of extension into the house.”


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1 posted on 03/04/2014 7:31:15 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Same kind of idiot that tries to burn the old Christmas tree in the fireplace.


2 posted on 03/04/2014 7:33:33 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

MD ping.


3 posted on 03/04/2014 7:34:38 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Farmer Dean

indeed!


4 posted on 03/04/2014 7:35:00 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Take away his barbecue — for his own safety.


5 posted on 03/04/2014 7:35:41 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Get the knives too.


6 posted on 03/04/2014 7:38:35 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

But you have to admit, it did melt the ice off the front porch . . . .


7 posted on 03/04/2014 7:39:26 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Farmer Dean

My dad was a policeman. Seems one of the bright lights across town tried to do something similar. He used a bunson burner to melt ice off his siding. Of course the house cought fire under the siding and virtually burned to the ground! He laughed for days about that saying I can just hear his wife saying: Boy Marvin, you are real smart to do it that way, up until she saw the smoke.


8 posted on 03/04/2014 7:39:49 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHEusBG20c


9 posted on 03/04/2014 7:40:01 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

MD Ping


10 posted on 03/04/2014 7:42:43 AM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I’ve got one of those flamethrowers. I use it to kill weeds that grow between my paving stones. This was the first year I tried it on the ever-present ice. With temperatures in the teens, I was able to melt ice, only to see it refreeze instantly, in a purer, more slippery farm. Basically, I turned the device into a portable Zamboni machine.


11 posted on 03/04/2014 7:43:06 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at a march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Used to live in CO mountains. Roof ice dams were very common.

Guys would climb up on an icy roof, sometime two or three stories up, and flail away at the ice with an ax or sledgehammer. And, yes, some tried the torch method.

Results were often not pretty.


12 posted on 03/04/2014 7:43:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Uncle Chip

And the Honey-O’s.


13 posted on 03/04/2014 7:44:10 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Farmer Dean
Several years ago, the older couple next door invited us over for New Years eve.....they had a nice fire roaring in the hearth.

When I looked at the stack of firewood, I saw that they were using oleander cuttings, which are quite toxic. I gave 'em a heads up and we split for home early. (The guy didn't believe me, by the way.....)

14 posted on 03/04/2014 7:44:45 AM PST by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: momtothree

Maryland will probably now regulate and tax all torch like devices. An entire department will be set up “protect the public” from the dangers and misues of such tools. lol


15 posted on 03/04/2014 7:47:24 AM PST by Starboard
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

hahaha... the title alone made me chuckle out loud :)


16 posted on 03/04/2014 7:49:27 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Starboard

Wouldn’t surprise me, starboard. This neighborhood is only about ten minutes or so from me. The ice on the roof isn’t that bad. We’ve had way worse. Sounds to me like the kind of person who gets rid of an ant hill (regular ants) with five gallons of gasoline and a Bic lighter. LOL!


17 posted on 03/04/2014 7:49:41 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Reminds me of an old cowpokes cartoon from about 50 years ago.

A cowpoke and his wife are standing in the snow. Around them is a pile of ashes which once was their house. All that is standing up is a kitchen faucet flowing lots of water.

The cowpoke says to his wife, “Don’t feel so bad! I got the pipes unfroze didn’t I!


18 posted on 03/04/2014 7:50:04 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
List of things NOT to do:
  1. Tug on Superman's cape.
  2. Spit into the wind.
  3. Pull the mask off the Lone Ranger.
  4. Mess around with Jim.
  5. Use an icepick to defrost a fridge.
  6. Use a blowtorch to thaw a frozen fuel line.
  7. Or melt ice on the porch . . .

19 posted on 03/04/2014 7:50:14 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Ya'll watch this!!!


20 posted on 03/04/2014 7:50:40 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

I think you have to be drinking when you do it to have it work effectively.


21 posted on 03/04/2014 7:52:49 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: momtothree

My neighbors have ice dams all over their roof. They haven’t figured out why they have them and we don’t. lol


22 posted on 03/04/2014 7:53:15 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Vigilanteman
5. Use an icepick to defrost a fridge.

Yup. I did that once. Got a nice face full of Freon for my efforts. It's oilier than I would have guessed. The really bad part is it wasn't my fridge. I had to buy the guy a new one.

23 posted on 03/04/2014 7:55:33 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: Farmer Dean
HEY! That's my father-in-law you're talking about.

tries to burn the old Christmas tree in the fireplace.

24 posted on 03/04/2014 7:56:02 AM PST by DManA
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

People often say stupid should burn.

This is one case where it appears to have actually happened.


25 posted on 03/04/2014 8:00:28 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Vigilanteman
[Never]Use an icepick to defrost a fridge.

Or a flathead screwdriver. Never mind how I know.

26 posted on 03/04/2014 8:00:28 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

The problem with the equipment is that it is pretty easy to use. Mine attaches to a regular propane tank, and you light it with one of those metallic spark devices, like the one the teacher used to light the Bunsen Burners in chem class. Once it’s lit, it becomes a very mechanical operation, like shoveling snow or raking leaves. You have to concentrate to remember that you have a potentially deadly device at your fingertips. The hose that connects the propane tank to the flamethrower is about 6 feet long. It wouldn’t take much imagination to burn through the hose and ignite more of the propane than you had in mind.


27 posted on 03/04/2014 8:01:09 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at a march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: Starboard

The common theory on ice dams is heat from the house melts the snow, it flows down to the cold eaves and freezes.

But there are other causes as well. We had a house with a sun room covered by a shed roof. The crawl space above sun room was extravagantly insulated and had big vents on either end to outside. That space was exactly ambient air temperature.

But, In Nov - March the sun on the lower half of the roof was blocked by the neighbors house. The sun, hitting the black upper roof would melt the snow and freeze when it got to the shaded portion. In march when the sun hit the whole roof again, no problem.

So the only solution was to keep the shaded are shoveled, after every snow.


28 posted on 03/04/2014 8:01:16 AM PST by DManA
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The cowpoke says to his wife, “Don’t feel so bad! I got the pipes unfroze didn’t I!

There were some maintenance workers in Austin who did that during the last big freeze.

BTW, I loved the old cowpoke jokes.

29 posted on 03/04/2014 8:04:01 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Must be a “Dragon” — I’ve looked into buying one to get rid of stubborn weeds, seems like a good idea. No chemicals, just good clean flames and the weeds are gone instantly. I never thought for a moment about using it to melt ice. It might be dangerous in knucklehead hands ... you could set your house on fire, or your dog, or the mailman. Yike!


30 posted on 03/04/2014 8:05:52 AM PST by Toucan Dance
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Look - it’s just that time of winter when it doesn’t sound like a bad idea. You get crazy. I stopped taking a double-bit ax to my sidewalk ice when a little voice told me it wasn’t an altogether intelligent thing to do.


31 posted on 03/04/2014 8:07:27 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

And I think it was a squirrel.


32 posted on 03/04/2014 8:10:42 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

That is understandable with all the snow the midwest and east coast has gotten...Gotta get out and do something!


33 posted on 03/04/2014 8:13:00 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Heat tapes, salt, and hot water are some of the things that I used to use when I lived in the snow country.
Salt is nasty on trim though. So, about the only thing that really worked was to melt holes through several places along the thing to let the water drain. That and get up there and shovel off the roof. But, I have seen people shovel upwards taking off their shingles. The one place to pay attention to, is where the chimney comes out of the roof. That and vent pipes.


34 posted on 03/04/2014 8:26:23 AM PST by crz
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I’ve tried a torch for an ice dam and a kerosene torpedo heater for a snow bank at the end of the driveway. What can I say? I’m a big time tinkerer. Didn’t take long in both cases to realize that cold beats heat.


35 posted on 03/04/2014 8:28:56 AM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: DManA

In this case, the primary problem is they just don’t bother to ever clean out their gutters.


36 posted on 03/04/2014 8:35:18 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard

This house didn’t have gutters, on that roof. That was the FIRST thing I got rid of.


37 posted on 03/04/2014 8:36:19 AM PST by DManA
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To: bramps

Having played around with various thermal methods of melting driveway/sidewalk ice, I am reminded of some basics from high school physics:

1) Temperature is not the same thing as heat.

2) “Heat of Fusion” is huge.

3) Pure water freezes at 32F (0C); salty water freezes at a much lower temperature.

Mechanical and chemical methods of ice removal are just more effective than thermal methods.


38 posted on 03/04/2014 8:43:37 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain

Yup. In both cases I mentioned it took about 3 seconds to realize it was a waste of time. Like many things, it worked much better in my mind prior to actually trying.


39 posted on 03/04/2014 8:50:47 AM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: Farmer Dean

Or the guy who tried to warm up his gasoline on the stove to fix a frozen gas line in his car.


40 posted on 03/04/2014 8:54:50 AM PST by shineon
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

If you can’t do it with duct tape or WD-40, don’t do it.


41 posted on 03/04/2014 8:56:39 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: crz

Used to live in big snow country.

Most people had these big alumnimum rake things that were used to rake show off the eaves. Had to get it before it melted and refroze, and in a really big snowfall you’d have to pull the show off several times. But you could get back on the eaves about four feet.

Potentially an excellent way to electrocute yourself, BTW.


42 posted on 03/04/2014 9:06:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Another winter like this one and I'm seriously thinking about putting in one of these solutions for ice dams:


The gutter helmet people sell a heavier duty solution for about $1000 on my modest sized home, but that wouldn't include the electrical hook-up.

However, I have enough electrical know-how to do that part myself.

43 posted on 03/04/2014 9:08:04 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Sounds like a Barbara Mikulsi voter.


44 posted on 03/04/2014 9:12:43 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Vigilanteman
“However, I have enough electrical know-how to do that part myself.

famous last words...

45 posted on 03/04/2014 9:18:07 AM PST by BarbM (Portuguese Dog--Kenyan president)
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To: Sherman Logan
I have a snow rake as well:
The one I have is made and sold by a company based in Minnesota. It costs me about $80 with two optional extensions.

It is a bit of a balancing act: You definitely want to use it on the big snows (8" plus) but need to be careful about overusing it on the smaller snows (less than 4") as you run the risk of scraping shingles along with the snow.

I NEVER dig deep. If you run into any resistance, ease off immediately. I always rake as is I intend to leave at least 3/4" on the roof. Here in SW Pennsylvania with a NORMAL winter and dark roof tiles, the sun will help out with the balance anyway and leave you with a thin coating of ice to protect your shingles from future rake jobs.

46 posted on 03/04/2014 9:18:25 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
It's been bitterly cold for weeks where I live and snowy. My snow blower froze up...the augers wouldn't turn. I figured water had gotten into the mechanisms and froze. I don't have a heated garage, so I dragged the thing inside the house into the hallway leading to the garage. Worked like a charm. In one hour I was able to use the machine.

But when my significant other heard about it, she raised the roof. "YOU DID WHAT!!!!!" she shrieked. I said I don't know how else I was going to unfreeze the thing. She said I could have used a hairdrier. Or waited until the weather warmed up. But that would have meant standing in the garage in subzero weather for a period of time. She then said I could have waited until the weather warmed up. I said, but what if we got a foot of snow? Did she want me to get a heart attack shoveling our huge driveway? She's still seething. But it did work.

47 posted on 03/04/2014 9:54:07 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Moonman62

I’ve got plenty of WD-40. What temp does it freeze at?


48 posted on 03/04/2014 9:56:33 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Vigilanteman

Oh, yeah. I have metal roofing everywhere but the gazebo, which nearly collapsed under the snow load a couple of years ago. Got a snow rake and learned the one lesson you always learn the hard way with them: do not stand directly underneath the snow mass you’re trying to bring down. I had approximately half a second to reflect on how stupid I am before the snow impacted... :-(


49 posted on 03/04/2014 10:02:01 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
That's why I paid the extra $20 or so for the optional extensions.

Another thing: use nowhere even close to where the power lines enter the house . . . even if you think you are a safe distance away. The natural bowing in the aluminum pipe extensions plus the stress put on the rake in moving snow plus the changing winds plus your tiring arms and wrists can give the thing AMAZING recoil.

Yeah, you will leave an arc of snow on the roof in that vicinity. But the risks of getting it off just aren't worth it.

50 posted on 03/04/2014 10:16:15 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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