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Florida cops accused of using cellphone tracker without court permission
SunSentinel ^ | Mar 4, 2014 | Adrienne Cutway

Posted on 03/04/2014 9:12:25 AM PST by Ray76

Florida police officers are accused of using a cellphone tracking and monitoring device without court permission, saying the device was on loan and they signed a confidentiality agreement with the manufacturer.

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1 posted on 03/04/2014 9:12:26 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76

Oh no, someone might be admonished with a stern talking-to.


2 posted on 03/04/2014 9:14:33 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Ray76

Fine, then kick their ass for signing agreements that will LEAD to deprivation of civil rights by those in authority. If there was no way to test the device without violating the Constitution, they obviously had no business signing.

(Obviously there was, they could have just used it on each other for test purposes, but the point is valid. “Dog ate my homework” isn’t a valid excuse.)


3 posted on 03/04/2014 9:15:40 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Ray76
I am fine with this as long as the technology is made available to the public so we can use it to monitor the police and elected government officials and non-elected bureaucrats.
4 posted on 03/04/2014 9:19:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: Ray76

Cops: The other criminals.


5 posted on 03/04/2014 9:20:13 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: Still Thinking

Manufacturer also should be kicked in the ass for conspiracy to violate civil rights. This, to me, is a hanging offense.


6 posted on 03/04/2014 9:20:57 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: Ray76
So overnight your cellphone to a friend in Taos, NM. Rob a bank using carrying someone elses cell phone. Then have your phone overnighted back to you.

Presto! Innocence proven.

7 posted on 03/04/2014 9:21:45 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog

Throw away phones are cheap and disposable.


8 posted on 03/04/2014 9:29:46 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: CodeToad

That offense is serious enough to ban the company and all individuals involved in this test from ever working in this field.


9 posted on 03/04/2014 9:31:02 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Ray76; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

10 posted on 03/04/2014 9:33:37 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: Ray76

Police violating the law and willfully hiding the tracker. Does anyone yet believe that the police are resembling the gestapo in its early stages. We have to fire those responsible and start to reorganize all the police in America back to serve and protect.


11 posted on 03/04/2014 9:34:32 AM PST by Logical me
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To: blackdog

Nope. Unless a customary human route to Taos is through the sorting facility in Memphis.

Better to have a friend hand carry it.

Or even better, have it follow your normal routine while you don’t.


12 posted on 03/04/2014 9:36:46 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: Logical me
Does anyone yet believe that the police are resembling the gestapo in its early stages.

The Gestapo knocked.

13 posted on 03/04/2014 9:39:15 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: CodeToad

“Manufacturer also should be kicked in the ass for conspiracy to violate civil rights. “

Yep. Them and the manufacturers of air horns also!


14 posted on 03/04/2014 9:39:17 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Ray76

Only the ACLU would burst into court to protect a guilty rapist. Unbelievable!


15 posted on 03/04/2014 10:07:42 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“I am fine with this as long as the technology is made available to the public so we can use it to monitor the police and elected government officials and non-elected bureaucrats.”

I’m not fine with it. Government is supposed to be transparent. My life is supposed to be protected from frivolous monitoring.


16 posted on 03/04/2014 10:11:03 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: LevinFan
I’m not fine with it. Government is supposed to be transparent. My life is supposed to be protected from frivolous monitoring.

That's not going to happen, so let's monitor them back.

17 posted on 03/04/2014 10:17:44 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: Ray76

“Specifically, the Tallahassee Police Department’s use of the stingray came to light following a 2008 sexual assault in which the victim had her cellphone stolen. Police used the stingray to track the location of the suspect, eventually entering his home without a warrant.”

I don’t get it. Wrong or not, it wasn’t his cell. Anyone think she’d refuse to give permission to track HER cell to her attacker?

Still, the secrecy surrounding this device is an issue. Again, cops trying to ignore restrictions.


18 posted on 03/04/2014 10:20:34 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: Ray76; Joe Brower; MinuteGal; SoFloFreeper; left that other site; Joe Boucher; SeminoleCounty; ...
Take a few notes and observations here, Folks:

1. This is Tallahassee PD - NOT the Highway Patrol, NOT Corrections, NOT even county cops - this is Barney Fife, local municipal cops with DHS-grade technology.

2. The article states that "the Tallahassee Police Department alone had used the device more than 200 times without court permission since 2010."

That department ALONE - which means others have used it as well. Who ELSE deployed it without court permission?

3. According to the ACLU's website (yes, I went there, so you wouldn't need to), the Florida-based Harris Corporation is the manufacturer. A technology site HERE states the following:

Details about the devices are not disclosed on the Harris website, and marketing materials come with a warning that anyone distributing them outside law enforcement agencies or telecom firms could be committing a crime punishable by up to five years in jail. These little-known cousins of the Stingray cannot only track movements—they can also perform denial-of-service attacks on phones and intercept conversations. Since 2004, Harris has earned more than $40 million from spy technology contracts with city, state, and federal authorities in the US, according to procurement records.

Technology providers are in bed with Odinga and the Left: Google, Apple, Yahoo, and this bunch as well.

19 posted on 03/04/2014 11:02:33 AM PST by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: Old Sarge

TPD is a bunch of keystone cops. I was a bouncer at a nightclub in Tallahassee when I was a student at FSU, and I can tell you personally that those cops make a MAJORITY of their income from after-hours/contract work for the clubs. Their DUI taskforce is the money-maker for the department.

This sort of corruption doesn’t surprise me. I was pretty close with several deputies, and I can tell you they walk a very fine grey line on a regular basis.


20 posted on 03/04/2014 11:05:27 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"...as the technology is made available to the public..."

This technology has been out there for years. I was using one back in 1989. We had loads of laughs on Saturdays listening in on cell phone conversations between husbands in the car and wives at home yelling at him for picking up the wrong thing...going to the wrong place, etc.

The device would report the cell tower in use, the serial number and cell number of the phone being connected to.

21 posted on 03/04/2014 11:07:16 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: Ray76

The cops probably feared for their safety. We should be glad they got to go home safe at the end of their shifts...that’s all that matters.

It’s also a good thing dogs don’t usually carry cell phones.


22 posted on 03/04/2014 11:08:38 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

what brand ? got a link ?

thanks in advance


23 posted on 03/04/2014 11:10:42 AM PST by advertising guy
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To: Cyber Liberty
It's safe as long as they're using a "paws-free" device.


24 posted on 03/04/2014 11:18:21 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: CodeToad

I like this quote from True Detective:

“Of course I’m dangerous. I’m the police. I can do terrible things to people... with impunity.”


25 posted on 03/04/2014 11:26:05 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: advertising guy
It was called a Curtis Electro-Devices Model ESNR-5900b ESN Reader. It sucked down 8 AA batteries real fast so it ran better on 12v plug in.

We mainly used it to get the ESN of a mobile (in car) cell phone that had no easy way to get to the transceiver. Place a call and voila! ESN on display.

The fun began when we REALLY read the manual. That thing would do a TON more. For bored Techno-Geeks who had to work on Saturdays...it was a blast.

26 posted on 03/04/2014 11:31:12 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Then let it be FREEEE!!!! Just like health care!


27 posted on 03/04/2014 11:34:28 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: null and void

those non-disclosure agreements seem to have ore weight than the constitution.... amazing


28 posted on 03/04/2014 11:46:33 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Ray76
Stingray:

This large old model is almost SEVEN years old --they're smaller now with better UI's.

The long-run aim is to make them almost the size of cell-phones.

29 posted on 03/04/2014 11:59:25 AM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

30 posted on 03/04/2014 12:04:08 PM PST by gaijin
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To: null and void




31 posted on 03/04/2014 1:35:15 PM PST by Lady Jag (Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society. - Aristotle)
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To: Old Sarge; null and void; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Myrddin; MamaDearest; autumnraine; ...
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Check out article and # 31.

Thanks, Old Sarge.

32 posted on 03/04/2014 4:06:08 PM PST by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Back in the days of scanners, you wouldn’t believe what juicy gossip we’d pick up on cops and elected officials. One local political head was talking to another big shot elected official and we learned exactly what Debbie would do and for how much for the good ol’ boys’ upcoming “hunting” weekend.


33 posted on 03/04/2014 5:03:11 PM PST by bgill
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To: Old Sarge

This is one in a boatload of equipment and money “granted” to the locals by hussein. LEO’s will be a major segment of his civilian army ready to turn on innocent US taxpaying citizens. There is no such thing as Andy and Barney helping little old ladies to cross the street and this new breed of bootjacks are out to “protect and serve” themselves. Many refuse to believe the US military and our local LEOs won’t turn their weapons on us but they will stand by whomever signs their paychecks and gives them the bigger toys.


34 posted on 03/04/2014 5:13:45 PM PST by bgill
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To: bgill; Ray76

Many refuse to believe the US military and our local LEOs won’t turn their weapons on us but they will stand by whomever signs their paychecks and gives them the bigger toys.

35 posted on 03/04/2014 6:38:37 PM PST by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: LucyT

er...

Check out # 19 instead.


36 posted on 03/04/2014 11:12:52 PM PST by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...
Too many neat, taxpayer-funded toys for boys with too much free time on their hands.

Florida Freeper


37 posted on 03/05/2014 7:01:57 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: null and void

What movie is the pic from?


38 posted on 03/06/2014 9:32:12 PM PST by charlie72
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To: charlie72
Not from a movie, it's from Rockwell's Somebody's Watching Me.
39 posted on 03/06/2014 9:40:34 PM PST by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: null and void

Thanks.


40 posted on 03/12/2014 12:09:07 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: Ray76
saying the device was on loan and they signed a confidentiality agreement with the manufacturer.

I get it...

An Non-Disclosure Agreement with some manufacturer is now more important than 4th amendment Constitutional protections?

Somehow, I think that the Supremacy clause has just disappeared.

-PJ

41 posted on 03/12/2014 12:24:15 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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