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'We can't prove sex with children does them harm' says Labour-linked NCCL
express.co.uk ^ | 03/04/2014 | James Murray & James Fielding

Posted on 03/04/2014 7:16:32 PM PST by massmike

EVIDENCE has emerged that the views of the Paedophile Information Exchange influenced policy-making at the National Council for Civil Liberties when it was run by former Labour Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt.

PIE members were lobbying NCCL officials for the age of consent to be reduced and campaigning for “paedophile love”.

Their view that children were not harmed by having sex with adults appears to have been adopted by those at the top of the civil liberties group.

Today we publish extracts from an NCCL report written for the Criminal Law Revision Committee in 1976 when Mrs Hewitt was general secretary.

It says: “Where both partners are aged 10 or over, but under 14, a consenting sexual act should not be an offence. As the age of consent is arbitrary, we propose an overlap of two years on either side of 14.

“Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage.

“The Criminal Law Commission should be prepared to accept the evidence from follow-up research on child ‘victims’ which show there is little subsequent effect after a child has been ‘molested’.

“The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage.

“The present legal penalties are too high and reinforce the misinformation and prejudice. The duty of the court should be to inquire into all the relevant circumstances with the intention, not of meting out severe punishment, but of determining the best solution in the interests of both child and paedophile.”

(Excerpt) Read more at express.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 03/04/2014 7:16:32 PM PST by massmike
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To: massmike

As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.


2 posted on 03/04/2014 7:19:41 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: massmike

I have no response to that, jaw dropped


3 posted on 03/04/2014 7:19:58 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: massmike


4 posted on 03/04/2014 7:19:59 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: ClearCase_guy

From “It can never happen” to “What can it possibly hurt?”..

I’m only surprised at the SPEED of it all.....

Otherwise,these people and their twisted agenda are ridiculously predictable:


5 posted on 03/04/2014 7:21:13 PM PST by massmike (If I like my tagline,I can keep it! Obama said so..........)
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To: massmike
Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage.

No child engages in sexual experiences with an adult voluntarily, not in their nature. And down the rabbit hole we go ... Obviously these people have never talked to anyone that was molested as a child.

6 posted on 03/04/2014 7:23:30 PM PST by doc1019
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To: massmike

These people are ALREADY here. They run GLAAD.


7 posted on 03/04/2014 7:24:24 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Friendofgeorge

If you look at old National Libertarian Party platforms you will find the same thing.


8 posted on 03/04/2014 7:27:00 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: massmike

These demented ilk skipped a page. I thought the next page, was polygamy, not pedophilia. What is going on here.


9 posted on 03/04/2014 7:27:22 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: castlegreyskull

Maybe they plan to kill two birds with one stone and marry multiple children?


10 posted on 03/04/2014 7:30:14 PM PST by massmike (If I like my tagline,I can keep it! Obama said so..........)
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To: massmike

If anyone doubts we are living in the last days.

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away” (II Tim. 3:1-6).


11 posted on 03/04/2014 7:34:53 PM PST by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: massmike

The UK is finished.


12 posted on 03/04/2014 7:38:02 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: GeronL; KC_Lion

Ping.


13 posted on 03/04/2014 7:38:38 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: massmike

The American Psychology Association (APA) made the same claim five or so years ago. It actually claimed that it was beneficial for children. They later recanted...probably reluctantly.


14 posted on 03/04/2014 7:51:56 PM PST by Keli Kilohana (Editor, ZARR CHASM CHRONICAL [sic], Sore, WV)
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To: massmike

Yuck!!


15 posted on 03/04/2014 7:52:58 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Viennacon

They also run the debt of education


16 posted on 03/04/2014 7:53:13 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: massmike

I suppose the pervs are suggesting that more testing is in order??


17 posted on 03/04/2014 7:55:08 PM PST by awelliott (What one generation tolerates, the next embraces....)
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To: massmike
I guess the NCCL is going to say man-boy and female-girl sex SHOULD BE ALLOWED! I wonder when human-animal sex will be allowed, after that man-automobile love?

Liberals are sexually active, they think about sex 24/7! Defeat Liberalism!!!

18 posted on 03/04/2014 7:56:47 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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To: massmike

The Supreme Court may already have 4 sure votes for all this


19 posted on 03/04/2014 7:58:40 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: ExCTCitizen
I wonder when human-animal sex will be allowed...

There is a group in Germany asking for that very thing.
20 posted on 03/04/2014 8:03:03 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: massmike

Yes we can.


21 posted on 03/04/2014 8:09:18 PM PST by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

I have a response. I can conclude that they may not be sure sex with children causes them harm, but I guarantee it will cause the perpetrators immense harm.

This will not be tolerated on any level by any decent person.


22 posted on 03/04/2014 8:10:07 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: massmike

Just for the record:

Attempting to have sex with any child WILL be hazardous to their health!


23 posted on 03/04/2014 8:12:48 PM PST by Leofl (I'm from Texas, we don't dial 9-11)
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To: massmike

This is crazy.


24 posted on 03/04/2014 8:15:08 PM PST by Red6
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To: Viennacon

Kill these people. Now.

Before the mods remove this, I am only quoting Jesus, our Lord, who said,

“Whosoever shall cause harm to come to one of these little ones, it were better that a great millstone be hung around his neck, and he be drowned in the depths of the sea.”


25 posted on 03/04/2014 8:20:12 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Keli Kilohana

And the University of Minnestoopid published the same as well.


26 posted on 03/04/2014 8:42:29 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: castlegreyskull

My guess is there just aren’t as many polygamists as there are pedophiles in jolly England, so they are going by public demand.


27 posted on 03/04/2014 8:53:01 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: elcid1970

They won’t remove advocation for the death penalty for pedophiles. I 100% agree. HANG ‘EM!


28 posted on 03/04/2014 9:12:40 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: massmike

Do you doubt the words and act of the Prophet, Infidel Dogs!

The Great Pedophile married a nine year old and you dare question the wisdom Allah revealed to MadMo!

To even question the sanctity of child marriage is to Insult Islam ! ! !

Have you no respect for Islam?

My sarcasm well just ran dry.


29 posted on 03/04/2014 9:45:18 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: massmike

A very short step to human sacrifice. And from there, cannibalism.


30 posted on 03/04/2014 9:46:57 PM PST by lurk
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ping.


31 posted on 03/04/2014 9:49:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: massmike

32 posted on 03/04/2014 10:05:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: massmike

Here’s what happened to a woman you took extreme measures to straighten out her homosexual son.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/justice-story/kill-shrink-warned-mother-baekeland-plastics-heir-article-1.1114966


33 posted on 03/04/2014 10:16:54 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Army Air Corps

How long has it been since even secular psychology was oy-veying over what happens when your mother hates you, and then we have this?


34 posted on 03/05/2014 1:22:51 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: haroldeveryman

Weird story about the heir of the Bakelite fortune.


35 posted on 03/05/2014 1:25:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Travis McGee

It’s a challenge today.

We can’t depend on much help from “world” any more to stand up for “good morals.”

Christians of older times would have taken this pretty much for granted. I think America got spoiled. Just because it had a fortuitous start in the gospel (the New World was a popular refuge for Christian denominations that had seen mistreatment in the Old World) didn’t mean that the gospel fire was going to live on untended.

The ideal situation is where Christian “straightdar” comes looking for “gays” to save.


36 posted on 03/05/2014 1:30:04 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: doc1019

or married one of them ...


37 posted on 03/05/2014 5:08:45 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Indeed, sir. Even the American Psychiatric Association has toyed with the notion in the last few years. What a country. If a kid manages to avoid being aborted, you they have to avoid the gauntlet of perverts trying to do harm to them.


38 posted on 03/05/2014 6:15:23 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I agree, but that won’t happen until the present (dis)order implodes and we need to build a new society upon the wreckage.


39 posted on 03/05/2014 7:08:20 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: GladesGuru

Why do you think our elites (here and in Europe) simply adore Islam?


40 posted on 03/05/2014 7:12:41 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: massmike
It begins.

Soon they'll be pretending that they never opposed the new "civil rights movement" of child rape.

41 posted on 03/05/2014 7:56:32 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: doc1019

This article reminds me of the surreal conversations that took place at the last B4U-ACT (pedophile-friendly psych group) conference, attended by Matt Barber as a conservative reported. If you have the stomach for it, look it up. But before a meal, preferably.


42 posted on 03/05/2014 7:58:44 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: massmike

That most perfect of all men, mohammad, married a 6 year old...


43 posted on 03/05/2014 8:17:29 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: Travis McGee

When dealing with things divine, I never say never to anything good (unless the bible unambiguously rules it out).

I think modern Christiandom suffers from a lack of good imagination concerning the gospel. I look at the way the world goes on, how various things become passions and rages and fads, seemingly with little rhyme or reason. But nobody tries marketing the gospel that way because of the fear someone will call it blasphemous.

How much further the existing world must fail before Christendom is willing to do this, is something only God knows. But I don’t presume to tell God that He can’t do something that otherwise makes biblical sense. And there is a biblical suggestion that volunteers to the harvest will do a positive good.


44 posted on 03/05/2014 12:45:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Travis McGee

Christiandom => Christendom [typo]


45 posted on 03/05/2014 12:47:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: massmike
If this idea takes hold with the liberals in this country then I think they will owe the Catholic Church a BIG apology. After all, with this attitude, none of those kids were really abused, the priest was just 'liberating' them.

How perfectly DISGUSTING this whole idea is! Yet NAMBLA and some lesbian groups agree with it, because they want to have sex with anyone of their choosing, with no restrictions!

46 posted on 03/05/2014 3:55:09 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Army Air Corps

Really? My gosh, I think someone is going to ask for human-plant sex soon...


47 posted on 03/05/2014 4:04:45 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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To: ExCTCitizen

“In a landmark decision, a Federal judge ruled that a California woman can marry her fichus tree...”


48 posted on 03/05/2014 4:16:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

By coming up with the first thermosetting plastic, old man Baekeland just about produced a turning point in civilization. Then there was his offspring. It’s almost as if they were trying to cancel out the the Bakelite part of his legacy.


49 posted on 03/05/2014 10:58:26 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Bulwyf

Absolutely!!


50 posted on 03/06/2014 7:49:08 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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