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Gun question - Star Super S .380
5 March 2014 | Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

Posted on 03/05/2014 4:18:58 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

A Star Super S .380 (the one with the quick release lever) is jamming on first round. The gun is in mint condition and appears to have hardly ever been fired. The extractor is in excellent condition and the spring has good load behind it. The extractor end looks to be fine. However, when the gun is loaded and the slide pulled back, every round cycles out of the gun flawlessly. It only jams when fired.

My guess is the recoil spring is too strong. Any suggestions on solutions? Numrich doesn't have one in stock to use to modify nor does Wolff Springs. Need to find one to cut down to reduce the load to see if it will cycle properly. I'd rather not fire hot rounds through the pistol to see if it will cycle, but will try that for a temporary result.

Anyone able to help?


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1 posted on 03/05/2014 4:18:58 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I had this problem with a Ruger 9mm. I sent it to them several times and they returned it no-problem-found. I then videoed me firing the gun and the gun jamming. I had a friend fire it in case I was limp-wristing it. They allowed me to replace it with a different model, but denied there was a problem. 1. Video the problem and return it to the manufacturer with the video. 2. It may be a tolerance build-up issue. As the gun heats from repeat firings some parts expand out of tolerance. (That, I’m certain, was my issue.)


2 posted on 03/05/2014 4:23:12 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Oh, one more thing, buy different ammo. My Kahrr (sp?) will only fire certain ammo. Some 9mm is 1”1/16 and some is 1”3/16. My gun will only fire the former.


3 posted on 03/05/2014 4:24:55 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Sell it and buy another brand That’s what I did with mine never could get it to function right.

I ended up with a Walther PPK the star seems like a neat little pistol but if they don’t work they go down the road.


4 posted on 03/05/2014 4:24:56 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Not enough information. “Jamming” means what? Failure to feed? Failure to extract? Stovepipe? Have you tried firing with a different magazine or firing with just one round to see if it’s a magazine or feed ramp problem? Have you tried different brand ammo?


5 posted on 03/05/2014 4:31:38 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Gen.Blather

A cartridge diameter difference of 1/8th inch?!?! That’s a BIG difference for a cartridge let alone the actual bullet. You sure you don’t mean 1/32nd or 1/16th inch?


6 posted on 03/05/2014 4:33:02 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Get a Glock 42. That’s what I’m going to do when I have the funds.


7 posted on 03/05/2014 4:33:12 AM PST by real saxophonist (More Cowbell.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I assume the spent cartridge is not ejecting. Either the tolerances between the chamber and the brass you are using is too tight after firing or the spring on the ejector is too weak to grip and hold the cartridge during extraction.


8 posted on 03/05/2014 4:34:30 AM PST by iontheball
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Revolvers eat anything you feed them, and also go BANG every time.


9 posted on 03/05/2014 4:36:11 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, sharia is POISON.)
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To: Gen.Blather; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“As the gun heats from repeat firings some parts expand out of tolerance”

The OP has the malfunction only on the first round. Maybe he’s got the opposite problem -something is out of tolerance and the heat from the first round gets it into range.

Anyway, if it was me, I’d take the other advice of selling it and picking up something else.

That looks like quite a large piece for a .380. Wouldn’t something smaller like the S&W Bodyguard be a better choice?


10 posted on 03/05/2014 4:39:40 AM PST by expat1000
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Get something more reliable.


11 posted on 03/05/2014 4:39:56 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: rarestia

Cartridge length, not diameter.


12 posted on 03/05/2014 4:40:52 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: real saxophonist
Get a Glock 42. That’s what I’m going to do when I have the funds.

????

really?

I prefer guns that go off when I WANT THEM TO.

a ruger LCP .380 is nice but still plastic.(a little ‘whippy’ as it is so light) it never fails to fire either with factory or my reloads...

a Colt Mustang with aluminum frame is light enough but a solid piece. mine is a steel frame, a little heavy but it also never fails to fire either with factory or my reloads....ever!

13 posted on 03/05/2014 4:46:02 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Yeah, really. I was going to mention the LCP too. I love the Colt Mustang. Great design.


14 posted on 03/05/2014 4:54:04 AM PST by real saxophonist (More Cowbell.)
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To: Chainmail

Failure to extract all of the way. No stovepipe. Haven’t tried different ammo, but will do that next. Gun is nearly new, even though vintage model.


15 posted on 03/05/2014 4:55:16 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: iontheball
I assume the spent cartridge is not ejecting. Either the tolerances between the chamber and the brass you are using is too tight after firing or the spring on the ejector is too weak to grip and hold the cartridge during extraction.

You're right. Cartridge doesn't eject (barely out). Gun is mint, like-new so extractor spring isn't the issue and certainly doesn't feel like it on depression with finger.

16 posted on 03/05/2014 4:57:58 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: real saxophonist

my mustang is from the 90s and even then they cheaped out by putting a plastic trigger and guide rod. around 5 years ago it started have jam problems, I took it apart and found the trigger has a thin steel rod going from it to the sear. the hole in the trigger that actuates the rod was elongated and almost torn through....I went on line and bought an aftermarket aluminum trigger and rod. no problems since then.

I do believe that plastic guns and parts are fine if you don’t care to practice a lot....I tend to shoot hundreds of round through any gun I bring to the range. had I just kept it loaded in my pocket for protection, it would still be working today with its original parts...


17 posted on 03/05/2014 5:02:10 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Suggest you try this in order. Make only one change at a time to try to isolate the problem. It is the process I have always used with sticky actions.

1. Thoroughly clean and lubricate the pistol.
a. look for any obvious rough spots on the slide and frame.
b. stone or emory or file off any rough spots.
c. Examine the chamber and spent brass for any markings.
-if found, you can lightly polish the chamber with product/tools made specially to do so (check Midway/Brownwells) or just use car paint rub out product and a tightly wrapped cleaning jag attached to a drill motor.
d. examine the extractor for burrs. Make sure it is not bent and is seating correctly.

2. At the range,
a. hold the pistol firmly in a strong grip Weaver stance and the wrist locked bracing against the anticipated recoil.
b. Try a variety of full metal jacket ammo. The heavier the bullet the better. Franchi and Sellier and Bellot ammo seem to be hotter than US loads and would be what the Star was designed with in mind.

3. Count on sending 200-300 rounds down range to “break it in” once it starts to work more reliably.

Good luck and have some fun making it work.

My favorite “fun gun” is a 30 year old Star Model B in 9mm.


18 posted on 03/05/2014 5:05:39 AM PST by Lowell1775
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Sell it, and stick with Kimber .45

There is no substitute, and when you need it to work, it will.


19 posted on 03/05/2014 5:09:34 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: rarestia

1 1/16” diameter round? And we thought the 50cal was a Hoss.
Pays to sometimes re-read before posting.......


20 posted on 03/05/2014 5:11:01 AM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

When you say mint, do you mean you bought it new and not many rounds have been fired or do you mean you bought it used and it looks new?

If you bought it used you may have just relieved somebody else of their problem.

If you bought it new, it may just need some breaking in.

I just did a quick search. It looks like you may need to take some special care with this gun, most of this don’t have a firing pin lock which means it can fire if you drop it.

Good luck.


21 posted on 03/05/2014 5:12:09 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: reg45

1/8th inch is still a big difference and out of standard spec for 9mm if memory serves.


22 posted on 03/05/2014 5:14:28 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Vaquero
SouthNarc: That a stock Commander?
Me:Yeah.
SouthNarc: It runs, man.

That's from a class in 2005. I was a 1911 guy for 20 years, now I'm a Glock guy.

My one armed encounter actually involved a J-Frame. Typical 'brought a knife to a gunfight' thing. Guy's in prison for 67 years.

We can disagree on this and still be friends. I enjoy your posts.

23 posted on 03/05/2014 5:23:17 AM PST by real saxophonist (More Cowbell.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Going by your initial description, you say it is "jamming" only on the first round.

1) Download the magazine by one or two rounds and try again. If it no longer jams you are probably using low powered range ammo (Winchester White Box or similar full metal jacket stuff.) Load the magazines and let them set loaded between range sessions and the magazine springs will loosen up a bit. (The next round in the magazine is pushing up against the inside of the slide, causing friction.)

2) Your recoil spring is a bit too tight. Lock the slide back and leave it that way between range sessions.

3) Fully load a magazine, but make the first round a full powered defensive hollow point load. (You know, the buck-a-round Hornady Critical Defense type stuff.) If your problem goes away and you can shoot a full mag, then see 1 or 2 above.

Chances are there's nothing wrong with your Star that a few hundred rounds won't cure.

Also, it wouldn't hurt to field strip the gun, clean it thoroughly, and lube it at the appropriate points, including the rails. The Star is a 1911 style, and 1911s like to run very wet.

Here's a good site for information: http://www.star-firearms.com/firearms/guns/s/

And from that same site, here's a PDF of the manual: http://www.star-firearms.com/firearms/manuals/downloads/a,b,m,p,s_manual.pdf

24 posted on 03/05/2014 5:26:29 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: riverrunner

Was given a Walther PPK/S and it did the same thing.

Factory fixed it, but I never trusted it. A jammed gun is worse than no gun. Once fixed, sold it and got the Sig P232 I always wanted......great pistol, incredibly accurate, Tritium sights, Hogue grips - a dream pistol....

Of course, I prefer my 9mm or .45......


25 posted on 03/05/2014 5:31:35 AM PST by Arlis
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To: real saxophonist

of course....not so big a difference that we can’t be friends...

so the bad guy had the j frame or you??

I like J frames but especially K frames(a club members sister just passed away and I may buy her 5 shot .38 J frame once the probate is finished).

my K frame, a Model 19 .357 will outpower any 9mm. just have to know you only have ‘6’(or five with some j frames)....no spray and pray.....Dad was NYPD from ‘46-’68, he had a Military and Police(later called model 10) 4” barrel .38 special. He hated it as it was not very accurate past a few yards. I was a kid, but remember seeing stuff smeared in the rifling...they only used pure lead bullets back in the day and unless you scrubbed the bore with a wire brush and/or a lead removing tool, the accuracy eroded quickly. dad got his S&W with a wood rod with a slot and would pass it through the bore with a patch a few times soaked in Hoppes. not enough to clean it really, only the unburnt powder.

when I shoot the .357 with lead bullets, I finish with some jacketed rounds to push out some of the fouling. Very accurate with jacketed rounds....I recently gave it to my oldest son.

Peace(through superior firepower),

Vaquero


26 posted on 03/05/2014 5:53:00 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero
I had the J-Frame. I don't want to look over the front sight at another person again.

I get free hugs from the then 18 year old girl I saved.

27 posted on 03/05/2014 5:59:55 AM PST by real saxophonist (More Cowbell.)
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To: real saxophonist

I don’t blame you.

I would do what I had to do, but don’t really ever want to point a weapon at another human being.


28 posted on 03/05/2014 6:03:06 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Take it to a real, experienced gunsmith. Do not file or stone anything. It will only make the repair more expensive or impossible. It ALWAYS costs more to repair after the customer has “fixed” it.


29 posted on 03/05/2014 6:05:32 AM PST by 'smith
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To: Vaquero

8~)


30 posted on 03/05/2014 6:15:40 AM PST by real saxophonist (More Cowbell.)
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To: Vaquero

Lewis Lead Remover.


31 posted on 03/05/2014 6:20:13 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Have you lubricated the interior really well? New condition pistols really need to be lubricated well until they are fully broken in. I use Lubriplate grease (as my Gunnery Sergeant taught me) on all barrel locking surfaces and slide rails and the recoil spring and guide until they are fully worn in. In the old days, my troops would get a lot of stoppages with the Browning M2 machineguns until I made them lubricate the heck out of them. They are machines, after all..

I would think that the chamber is nice and smooth inside but I might even wax or grease the cartridge cases at first until everything is worn in at about 100 rounds or so.

Another possibility is the magazine - the magazine lips might be bearing against the slide and impeding things.

32 posted on 03/05/2014 7:16:56 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Don’t know what the guts look like, but if there is a spring on the slide lock it might be bent.

I’ve got a CZ83 does the same thing when the spring gets bent.


33 posted on 03/05/2014 7:20:39 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Flintlock
"Revolvers eat anything you feed them, and also go BANG every time."

Yeah, yeah - but all you get is six shots and the dang thing is too big to carry in a pocket unless you're size of an elephant. A well-made automatic pistol fed good-quality ammo always works. Colt 1911s and Walther PPKs always work - just gotta know what you're doing with 'em...

34 posted on 03/05/2014 7:21:21 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: rarestia

” You sure you don’t mean 1/32nd or 1/16th inch?”

Not diameter, height. Different manufacturers have different lengths of bullet. My Rugers fire them all. But the Kahrr only fires the shorter ones.


35 posted on 03/05/2014 7:27:00 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: expat1000

“Wouldn’t something smaller like the S&W Bodyguard be a better choice?”

My daily carry is the S&W Bodyguard. It’s a fine gun, but the laser is useless; too dim for daylight and points both ways in the dark. I’d go for a Ruger or cheaper gun without the laser.


36 posted on 03/05/2014 7:29:40 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: dangerdoc

Yup lewis. I have also used generic rippiffs of Lewis. Hoppes makes a close copy. I use them for my .45 Colts and Rugers and my Ruger .44 redhawk and various .357/.38. But only when they get really buggered up. If there is just a little leading it usually pops out with a bronze brush.


37 posted on 03/05/2014 8:20:31 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Flintlock

“Revolvers eat anything you feed them, and also go BANG every time.”

I used to shoot a S&w 625, it would lock up every couple hundred rounds unless I tightened all the screws while I was shooting it at the range. One time I got lazy and ended up having to get a gunsmith to get it unstuck.

I eventually fixed the problem by using loctite on all the screws but I was never really confident in that weapon after that.

I have also had some ammo that had a slight bulge where the bullet was seated. The ammo went into the chambers and I could close the cylinder but they didn’t fully seat and when you tried to pull the trigger, there was too much resistance for the cylinder to turn and it wouldn’t fire. The same ammo fired fine from the automatic we tried.

A revolver has fewer points of failure than an automatic but it does not have zero points of failure.


38 posted on 03/05/2014 8:41:28 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: Vaquero

The first time I used one was on an old .45 that had been eating reloads for years.

You would not believe what came out of that “clean” barrel.


39 posted on 03/05/2014 8:44:04 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: dangerdoc

yup....my .44 magnum redhawk generated long shards of lead from my supposed hard cast lead bullet reloads. if I load lead magnum loads again they will have copper gas checks...

all my lead loads now are subsonic....


40 posted on 03/05/2014 10:19:15 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I don’t know if you know what year your gun was manufactured but I read that in the 80’s the company retrofitted a bunch of Spanish police .32’s on a trade for new .30’s. They totally rebuilt them as .380’s but had to do a lot of hand fitting and Star did not have enough personnel who knew the proper way to do it. So they had problems with those weapons. Could be you got one of those. Take it to a gunsmith. He’ll know.

Try using Italian gun grease for cleaning. Its good stuff.


41 posted on 03/05/2014 10:41:35 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I had that same problem with a Star 9mm, and a pretty good smith was unable to reproduce it. Given the number of different calibers I shoot successfully I don’t think it was limp-wristing, but I never really did solve it. All I can offer is a BTT and wish you the best of luck.


42 posted on 03/05/2014 10:48:33 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dangerdoc
If you bought it new, it may just need some breaking in.
43 posted on 03/05/2014 12:45:40 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Yo-Yo
Download the magazine by one or two rounds and try again.

Only shot 5 rounds at a time on testing.

44 posted on 03/05/2014 12:51:48 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Flintlock

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45 posted on 03/05/2014 1:50:23 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: Vaquero

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46 posted on 03/05/2014 1:53:05 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: Arlis

Had 3 ppks not a bit of trouble with any of them.


47 posted on 03/05/2014 4:05:51 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

After mine jammed, I did a search and found it was a common problem....may have just been the stainless ones, can’t remember.

Glad yours are problem free.

I always loved the PPK growing up a Bond fan, but the P232 is a refined and very similar pistol.......


48 posted on 03/05/2014 5:32:01 PM PST by Arlis
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To: Arlis

I heard the stainless had more trouble my first two were German and super accurate.


49 posted on 03/05/2014 6:29:40 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

Yeah, I heard the German ones were super-reliable too.

There was one Bond book though where his PPK jammed...think that’s when he went to some other pistol.........


50 posted on 03/05/2014 6:55:49 PM PST by Arlis
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