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An Old Man's Long Gun Addiction (another one becomes a Mosin addict)
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Posted on 03/05/2014 7:08:51 PM PST by dynachrome

. Then, I came across the Russian Mosin Nagant 91/30– a bolt action surplus rifle. I was intrigued as it was only $125, had lots of history, the ammo was cheap, and I thought I could sneak this by the wife. I bought a 1938 Mosin Nagant 91/30 manufactured at the Tula Armory from my local gun shop. That was the start of my love with Russian designed firearms.

When you purchase a Mosin Nagant, it comes coated in a bunch of cosmoline and needs lots of cleaning before you should try firing it or for that matter even touching it. These rifles need to be completely detail stripped. This gave me a little more confidence that I could work on guns. The final results were great with this rifle, having refinished the stock and also adding a scout scope to it. The rifle, without the scope, shoots a little high and to the right at a 100 yards. With the scout scope, I have it zeroed in at 100 and 200 yards. It's a great gun.

I would like to make one point about the Mosin Nagant 91/30. It shoots 7.62x54r ammo. The round is the same size as a 308, actually .312. The ammo is available in surplus tins and is quite cheap. The rifle itself kicks like a horse. I had to buy a good shoulder pad to shoot this rifle without causing myself shoulder pain and injury.

I only use surplus ammo with Mosin Nagants and that ammo is corrosive. The reason I use surplus is the cost of non-corrosive ammo is too high for me. After shooting at the range, I just swab down the bore and bolt with Windex, run a patch through the bore, and I'm done.

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1 posted on 03/05/2014 7:08:51 PM PST by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome

The 91/30 is one of the best investments around right now. It’s the last of the bolt action war rifles that has yet to see major appreciation in value. CAI and other companies are doing a good job refurbishing them.

On top of that, it’s a solid rifle and ammo is cheap. Leave it packed in the oil/box and stack them in a closet with a tin or two of ammo. You won’t regret it IMHO.


2 posted on 03/05/2014 7:20:18 PM PST by volunbeer
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To: volunbeer

I might have one or two hanging around.....


3 posted on 03/05/2014 7:21:47 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

No, no, no... what you HAD accidentally fell out of your canoe while you were paddling across Lake Forgot-the-Name somewhere upstate a couple of years ago.


4 posted on 03/05/2014 7:24:46 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: dynachrome

Only a stupid person would have a Mosin Nagant M91/30.

Fortunately, I’m smart, and have the M91/30, PLUS an M38 carbine fitted out as a scout rifle, a Romanian M44, a Finn M39, and a lifetime supply of Yugo 7.62x54Rmm M75 sniper ammo.


5 posted on 03/05/2014 7:26:22 PM PST by Rinnwald
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To: mylife

6 posted on 03/05/2014 7:28:32 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: dynachrome
 photo DSC00615copy.jpgSeveral years ago, I bought this Yugo Mauser for just about the same price the Mosins were going for. The dealer also threw in 200 rounds of corrosive Egyptian ammo. The stuff shoots OK and is in stripper clips. It is really, really corrosive tho.
7 posted on 03/05/2014 7:31:04 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Rinnwald

Finn M39

Very accurate rifle. The finns did some damage to the soviets with them.


8 posted on 03/05/2014 7:32:11 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: yarddog

24/47?

A solid rifle, and usually you get a new barrel with the refurbishment. (sigh. They are at $279 at cabelas, and that is the sale price)


9 posted on 03/05/2014 7:34:22 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: yarddog

Whoops, I look closer and it is a m48A


10 posted on 03/05/2014 7:38:59 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

It was $95 including tax when I bought it around 10 years ago. I think you could get a Mosin for around $79 at the time but the ammo would have cost at least $20 so I figure I paid about the same as the Russian guns.

I had a Chinese short barreled Mosin Nagant for a while. Every time I fired it with the Chinese ammo I had, the bolt would lock up and I would have to beat it open with a block of wood.

I gave it to a friend and he used different ammo and never had any problem. He used it for his deer rifle and I am sure took a few with it.


11 posted on 03/05/2014 7:42:12 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: dynachrome

The Finns know how to set them up. It came with a shimmed stock, and is the most accurate of the group.

The M38 does 2 MOA with hunting ammo and the 4x scout scope. The Finn beats that, preferring the Yugo surplus over new ammo, with 1 MOA, if I do my part. Only thing is it shoots 12” high at 100 yds and 6” high at 200 yds. I’ll need a longer range if I’m ever going to move the leaf sights above “zero”.


12 posted on 03/05/2014 7:45:22 PM PST by Rinnwald
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To: dynachrome

Yes, if your going to shoot the 7.62x54, shoot it through an M39.
No comparison to the basic Russian model.


13 posted on 03/05/2014 7:50:44 PM PST by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: Rinnwald

The sights were supposedly calibrated for the bayonet being attached. Or so I heard on the interwebs.


14 posted on 03/05/2014 8:04:27 PM PST by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: dynachrome

The best made rifle I have ever owned and it isn’t even close was a 9809 Argentine Mauser made by DWM in Berlin.

It was stamped “Deutsch Waffen und Munitionsfabriken Berlin Modelo Argentino. 1909. The 1909 meant that my particular rifle was actually made in 1909 so it was an early one.

The bluing was actually a fine matte yet still well polished blue. And it really was blue instead of black. The small parts were finished in a bright cobalt blue. The workmanship was better than anything made today except by custom makers.

My particular one came with the test target and Herr Ritzman had fired a two inch group at 200 meters with open sights then signed the target. My guess is the really good shooting ones were separated along with their test targets but they eventually sold them and I got a great rifle.


15 posted on 03/05/2014 8:05:41 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: volunbeer

>> stack them

“them”? How many should I have? :-)


16 posted on 03/05/2014 8:13:08 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Rinnwald
I wants me one of them thar Mosin rifles made by Remington!

I won't be able to shoot it as I'm on blood thinners and hard kicking rifles bruise me real easy.

17 posted on 03/05/2014 8:13:12 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: dynachrome

bump


18 posted on 03/05/2014 8:15:31 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: yarddog

>> Every time I fired it with the Chinese ammo I had, the bolt would lock up and I would have to beat it open with a block of wood.

That’s funny.

“War is hell”


19 posted on 03/05/2014 8:16:18 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: yarddog
VERY nice! But I think you're comparing a BMW to a Yugo or worse!

I'd much rather have a German engineered/manufactured gun than something made by/for a bunch of backwards Russians.

20 posted on 03/05/2014 9:00:26 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester

I know its controversial, but the Mosin is better than the Mauser in many ways. It’s far more accurate in all except the Swede 6.5x55.

If you are mounting a scope, or building a hunting rifle, Mauser. If you are needing an iron sight battle rifle, a Mosin is fine. A Finnish rebuild beats any Mauser hands down. That’s based on a lot of shooting all of them on the surplus market.

And Lee Enfield’s are overlooked by everyone. But there’s a ton of truth in the saying that the Springfield is a target rifle, the Mauser is a hunting rifle, and the Lee Enfield is a battle rifle. And don’t forget, the Mosin wound up beating the Mauser side.

But right down to it, Swedish mauser, or Finnish Mosin M39.


21 posted on 03/05/2014 10:01:24 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

Since we’re talking milsurps, my certain favorite is the Schmidt-Rubin K31. I know the Swedish Mausers in 6.5 are regarded as some of the finest shooters, but I don’t think they quite match a tuned K31. My K31 is a jewel that had no right being sold in its almost unissued condition. Sub-MOA shooter in anyone’s hands with genuine GP11. When I find a superior Swedish Mauser in the condition I want, I’ll buy it right there.

I have a Mosin-Nagant M91/30. It’s okay. I respect it more for its military history than anything having to do with it performing at a rifle range. I’d say that you can’t beat them for the price if it weren’t for a 1954 Tula SKS-45 I picked up as a curio for $75 plus tax 20-some years ago.

Also, as you mention, the SMLEs are wonderful rifles (depending on model, arsenal, and condition) but all the surplus .303 British is long gone.

I collect foreign milsurps and have a great many of them, some of my other favorites being French. No nation ever matched the French for furniture. For appalling strength, you’d have to see an Arisaka I own. I’ll get into USGI milsurps someday when I don’t worry about money so much.


22 posted on 03/05/2014 10:45:34 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: dynachrome

Friends got a few of them off of me because I was feeling charitable, but I still have 5 Mosins in the safe.


23 posted on 03/05/2014 11:19:55 PM PST by SIDENET
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To: yarddog

I have the same thing, except. It is so cherry, I don’t think it was ever even fired except for at the factory. It is beautiful. It has the green leather sling, and the silver handled bayonet with a real quillon.... (a curved hook on one side and a straight guard on the other.

Odd ammo, though.....7.65mm


24 posted on 03/06/2014 3:11:28 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: dynachrome

We do a Mosin shoot a few times a year at the http://www.desotogunrange.com/ 200, 300 and 600 yds off the ground at pistol targets. Cool prizes like Ushankas and sniper pins. Huge turnout. I don’t know if anybody else does this. The past winners have been through a Project Appleseed clinic, so be forewarned! http://www.appleseedusa.org


25 posted on 03/06/2014 3:37:07 AM PST by ebshumidors
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To: dynachrome

LOUD BANG PING


26 posted on 03/06/2014 4:52:33 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Jet Jaguar

Admitted Commie Collector Here.


27 posted on 03/06/2014 6:04:28 AM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I had to buy a good shoulder pad to shoot this rifle without causing myself shoulder pain and injury.

You will also require a back brace to stack the crates of super cheap ammo.

28 posted on 03/06/2014 6:06:40 AM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: dynachrome
"In case of emergency, break glass"


29 posted on 03/06/2014 6:09:22 AM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: yarddog

Ye olde Yugo M48s are great rifles.


30 posted on 03/06/2014 6:11:11 AM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: Rinnwald

www.mojosights.com

These guys sell peep sights for a number of surplus rifles, including Mosins. I’ve got a set on one of mine, front and rear peeps, and I absolutely love them.


31 posted on 03/06/2014 6:37:20 AM PST by TexasBarak (I aim to misbehave!)
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To: DirtyPigpen

I fired the Rumanian M44 with the bayonet extended and folded (it’s permanently attached) and could never get much of a POI shift.

The Finn M39 typically doesn’t come with a bayonet, since they are very rare. I’ve heard two stories about this. One, is that the bayonets were fabricated late war and most just went into storage, later to be scrapped. Second, is that, in their infinite wisdom, the Civil Guard thought the bayonet would be more familiar if it copied the Finnish puukko knife. Most soldiers, seeing the bayonet matching the knife already hanging on their belts, promptly ditched the bayonet, supposedly littering the forest floors with them.

I bought an aftermarket copy bayonet for the M39. It’s a nice trinket, but a pretty useless bayonet.


32 posted on 03/06/2014 7:11:42 AM PST by Rinnwald
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To: Gaffer

Mine was also unfired. I didn’t have the bayonet or sling tho.


33 posted on 03/06/2014 8:16:23 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Gaffer

I got mine out again and looked at it. I’m gonna have to take some pictures like my other guns.

Not blued, but in the white and polished, also most all the parts have the same serial numbers on them. I have a couple of Norma 7.65X53mm cartridges for it, but haven’t even shot it. Going on 11 years since I bought it for $400.


34 posted on 03/06/2014 9:53:47 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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