Skip to comments.Will This Be the U.K.'s New Flag?
Posted on 03/06/2014 9:26:33 AM PST by C19fan
Long after the Empire's collapse, the Union Jack remains an internationally recognized symbol of Britain. But all that could change soon. Scotland, one of the four countries that make up the United Kingdom (along with England, Northern Ireland, and Wales), will hold a referendum on independence this September. If it succeeds, Britain's iconic flag may need a makeover.
The Flag Institute, the U.K.'s national flag charity and the largest membership-based vexillological organization in the world, recently polled its members and found that nearly 65 percent of respondents felt the Union Jack should be changed if Scotland becomes independent. And after the poll, the organization found itself flooded with suggested replacements for the flag.
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That is ghastly!!
Any reason why they included American Indian Colors (Black, White, Red, and Yellow) into this design?
These colors represent the Four Directions and the Four major races of Mankind. FYI.
would make a good pinwheel
Red and White are from St. George’s Cross and St. Andrew’s Cross representing England and Ireland. The Black and Yellow is St. David’s Cross representing Wales. I did not even know Wales had its own Saint flag as the Red Dragon Flag is much more famous.
Looks like an optical illusion. Stare at it long enough and you’ll start thinking English food tastes good.
Did that one come in second for the Territorial Flag of Nunavut?
That threw me for a loop as well as the only flag I ever saw flting in Wales was the Dragon! It is pretty cool!
That flag suggestion is a blinding prism, and looks to have been designed by M.C. Escher; Rejected by this Yank.
Unless there is some sort of Anglo-Belgium union we dont know about in the future to explain that mess, then it isnt remotely necessary to alter the current flag which doesn’t have to follow any legal union between England and Scotland in order to justify its current design continuing in the event Scotland loses its mind in September.
Even if that did happen, the historical ties (and shared monarchy) more than makes up for it as reason enough to remain unaltered.
Whomever made that thing should leave the vexillology to the professionals.
Anyone else see the Dead Kennedys logo?
Thank you for the explanation...I figured that Indians had N to do with it! LOL!
N=NOTHING! LOL...darn spellcheck!
I think its to put to rest their old rhyme often said jokingly. ‘There ain’t no black in the union jack’, which was used to insult Pakistanis. The kaleidoscope flag is.... strange
John Yates’ proposed flag does look hideous. It’s not as unusual as they are claiming—some similarity to the flag of Macedonia (which is only two colors).
Oh just remove the white saltire St. Andrews cross and you still have a decent flag. That is the simple solution which of course eludes this moronic design.
Agree. And it looks like the Netherlands has annexed Belgium, or something. United Britain is a bit of a misnomer too, as Northern Ireland isn’t in Britain, but the powers that be in London presumably expect to maintain control of it. Or, along with ‘Team GB’, they are trying to tell us all something?
The overall design does resemble the Union Jack. The red, white and blue do look like the French flag. And the black, red and yellow resemble the the German flag.
The Celts are now full bore (left wing) nationalists and demand parliaments/assemblies of their own. This means they get to vote on their own issues and then in Westminster on England's too (though before this it was the other way around, with England voting on Scottish and Irish issues and simply out-voting Irish and Scottish representatives because England had most of them anyway). This means the Union was never really fair to all parties from the beginning.
Unlike Scotland, Wales, and (Northern) Ireland, England's identity has been totally absorbed in the British identity (much like Anglo-Saxon Americas are the only unhyphenated Americans). I say let the Scots and Ulster go and don't let them back in. Don't even handle their foreign policies. For the first time in seven hundred and seven years, let there be a sovereign Kingdom (or even Republic) of England again.
Wales is a different matter. Though it was ruled as an English colony from the Edwardian conquest in the late thirteenth century, it was annexed fully into England under Henry VIII (whose father was a Welshman). Its deannexation was a long, drawn-out process not beginning until 1955 when Cardiff was declared its "capital." The "England" unit of the UK wasn't even declared "England and Wales" (I think) until some time in the 1960's. What I'm saying is that since Wales was (unlike Scotland and Ireland) fully annexed into England itself, it was probably a mistake to "deannex" it. Doing this so long after annexation means slicing off a piece of England, thus paving the way for Cornish and other (left wing) nationalists. What's next, a restoration of Celtic Britain with the "foreign devils" sent back to Angeln, Lower Saxony, and Jutland???
Not at all necessary to do that. Just take out the blue field, which only exists in the Saltyre. The English flag is a red Latin cross on a white field and the Irish is a red St. Andrew cross on a white field. Just take out all the blue and it's taken care of.
Why doesn't Scotland consider the old yellow and red griffin flag which still flies over Edinburgh Castle, I wonder?
Man, I can barely look at the new flag design. It literally makes my eyes cross. I got dizzy.
Oh, the irony!
I’ve seen a design similar to that depicted on an ancient Greek shield—presumably the idea was to plant the idea of running away in the enemy hoplite’s mind.
What I'm saying is that since Wales was (unlike Scotland and Ireland) fully annexed into England itself, it was probably a mistake to "deannex" it. Doing this so long after annexation means slicing off a piece of England, thus paving the way for Cornish and other (left wing) nationalists. What's next, a restoration of Celtic Britain with the "foreign devils" sent back to Angeln, Lower Saxony, and Jutland??? -- Zionist Conspirator
Oh, the irony!
I forgot to mention Scandinavia for the Danes and Normans.
There is more justification for England, Scotland, and Wales to remain in union than there is for the United States to do the same.
Not the irony I was talking about, but I’ll let it go.
Yes, as Ashburner carefully says, it is “unlike any other flag currently in existence.” Those of us of a more traditional and logical outlook might suggest there is a very good reason for that...
That depends on whether Scotland opts to remain a monarchy if they accept independence. I’m quite sure the core membership of the SNP is very pro-republic (apart from the few olde style jacobites amongst them). If Scotland DOES reject the monarchy, the Union Flag WILL have to be changed. No question about it.
I dont think so. I’m British and I’ve never heard that one
Its actually a lion not a griffin. And that flag is specifically the standard of the Scottish monarch (who happens currently to be Queen of England as well).
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