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Will This Be the U.K.'s New Flag?
The Atlantic ^ | March 5, 2014 | Matt Ford

Posted on 03/06/2014 9:26:33 AM PST by C19fan

Long after the Empire's collapse, the Union Jack remains an internationally recognized symbol of Britain. But all that could change soon. Scotland, one of the four countries that make up the United Kingdom (along with England, Northern Ireland, and Wales), will hold a referendum on independence this September. If it succeeds, Britain's iconic flag may need a makeover.

The Flag Institute, the U.K.'s national flag charity and the largest membership-based vexillological organization in the world, recently polled its members and found that nearly 65 percent of respondents felt the Union Jack should be changed if Scotland becomes independent. And after the poll, the organization found itself flooded with suggested replacements for the flag.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: jack; scotland; uk
The Unique Britain design is hideous, looks like the designer was looking through a caleidoscoop when he thought of that and makes one dizzy looking at it.
1 posted on 03/06/2014 9:26:33 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

That is ghastly!!


2 posted on 03/06/2014 9:27:29 AM PST by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: C19fan

Any reason why they included American Indian Colors (Black, White, Red, and Yellow) into this design?

These colors represent the Four Directions and the Four major races of Mankind. FYI.


3 posted on 03/06/2014 9:29:59 AM PST by left that other site
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To: C19fan

would make a good pinwheel


4 posted on 03/06/2014 9:33:06 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: left that other site

Red and White are from St. George’s Cross and St. Andrew’s Cross representing England and Ireland. The Black and Yellow is St. David’s Cross representing Wales. I did not even know Wales had its own Saint flag as the Red Dragon Flag is much more famous.


5 posted on 03/06/2014 9:34:09 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Looks like an optical illusion. Stare at it long enough and you’ll start thinking English food tastes good.


6 posted on 03/06/2014 9:36:49 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: C19fan
More like:


7 posted on 03/06/2014 9:38:19 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: left that other site
Black and yellow are from the flag of St. David, Wales' patron saint. Or else they love Pittsburgh sports teams.
8 posted on 03/06/2014 9:38:47 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: C19fan

Did that one come in second for the Territorial Flag of Nunavut?


9 posted on 03/06/2014 9:40:15 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: C19fan

That threw me for a loop as well as the only flag I ever saw flting in Wales was the Dragon! It is pretty cool!


10 posted on 03/06/2014 9:45:49 AM PST by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: C19fan

11 posted on 03/06/2014 9:56:36 AM PST by PGR88
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To: C19fan

That flag suggestion is a blinding prism, and looks to have been designed by M.C. Escher; Rejected by this Yank.


12 posted on 03/06/2014 10:13:53 AM PST by lee martell
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To: C19fan

Unless there is some sort of Anglo-Belgium union we dont know about in the future to explain that mess, then it isnt remotely necessary to alter the current flag which doesn’t have to follow any legal union between England and Scotland in order to justify its current design continuing in the event Scotland loses its mind in September.

Even if that did happen, the historical ties (and shared monarchy) more than makes up for it as reason enough to remain unaltered.

Whomever made that thing should leave the vexillology to the professionals.


13 posted on 03/06/2014 10:17:21 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: C19fan

Anyone else see the Dead Kennedys logo?


14 posted on 03/06/2014 10:22:20 AM PST by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: C19fan

We'll be keeping our Cross of St. Andrew thank ya'll.
15 posted on 03/06/2014 10:24:44 AM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: C19fan

Thank you for the explanation...I figured that Indians had N to do with it! LOL!


16 posted on 03/06/2014 10:26:24 AM PST by left that other site
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To: KarlInOhio

ha Ha!


17 posted on 03/06/2014 10:26:56 AM PST by left that other site
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To: left that other site

N=NOTHING! LOL...darn spellcheck!


18 posted on 03/06/2014 10:27:46 AM PST by left that other site
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To: left that other site

I think its to put to rest their old rhyme often said jokingly. ‘There ain’t no black in the union jack’, which was used to insult Pakistanis. The kaleidoscope flag is.... strange


19 posted on 03/06/2014 10:29:38 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Sounds plausible!


20 posted on 03/06/2014 10:31:36 AM PST by left that other site
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To: C19fan

John Yates’ proposed flag does look hideous. It’s not as unusual as they are claiming—some similarity to the flag of Macedonia (which is only two colors).


21 posted on 03/06/2014 10:57:08 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: C19fan
I like flag for the Isle of Man:


22 posted on 03/06/2014 11:01:28 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: C19fan

Oh just remove the white saltire St. Andrews cross and you still have a decent flag. That is the simple solution which of course eludes this moronic design.


23 posted on 03/06/2014 11:11:25 AM PST by xp38
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To: C19fan

Agree. And it looks like the Netherlands has annexed Belgium, or something. United Britain is a bit of a misnomer too, as Northern Ireland isn’t in Britain, but the powers that be in London presumably expect to maintain control of it. Or, along with ‘Team GB’, they are trying to tell us all something?


24 posted on 03/06/2014 11:13:51 AM PST by OldNewYork
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To: C19fan
Awful. But it would be a good flag for the EU.

The overall design does resemble the Union Jack. The red, white and blue do look like the French flag. And the black, red and yellow resemble the the German flag.

25 posted on 03/06/2014 11:40:20 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: C19fan
England needs out of the UK much more than Scotland does. True, England was the catalyst and until recently the engine of the Union (to the extent that "England" came to mean "the United Kingdom" or "Great Britain") but those days are long over.

The Celts are now full bore (left wing) nationalists and demand parliaments/assemblies of their own. This means they get to vote on their own issues and then in Westminster on England's too (though before this it was the other way around, with England voting on Scottish and Irish issues and simply out-voting Irish and Scottish representatives because England had most of them anyway). This means the Union was never really fair to all parties from the beginning.

Unlike Scotland, Wales, and (Northern) Ireland, England's identity has been totally absorbed in the British identity (much like Anglo-Saxon Americas are the only unhyphenated Americans). I say let the Scots and Ulster go and don't let them back in. Don't even handle their foreign policies. For the first time in seven hundred and seven years, let there be a sovereign Kingdom (or even Republic) of England again.

Wales is a different matter. Though it was ruled as an English colony from the Edwardian conquest in the late thirteenth century, it was annexed fully into England under Henry VIII (whose father was a Welshman). Its deannexation was a long, drawn-out process not beginning until 1955 when Cardiff was declared its "capital." The "England" unit of the UK wasn't even declared "England and Wales" (I think) until some time in the 1960's. What I'm saying is that since Wales was (unlike Scotland and Ireland) fully annexed into England itself, it was probably a mistake to "deannex" it. Doing this so long after annexation means slicing off a piece of England, thus paving the way for Cornish and other (left wing) nationalists. What's next, a restoration of Celtic Britain with the "foreign devils" sent back to Angeln, Lower Saxony, and Jutland???

26 posted on 03/06/2014 12:15:29 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: xp38
Oh just remove the white saltire St. Andrews cross and you still have a decent flag. That is the simple solution which of course eludes this moronic design.

Not at all necessary to do that. Just take out the blue field, which only exists in the Saltyre. The English flag is a red Latin cross on a white field and the Irish is a red St. Andrew cross on a white field. Just take out all the blue and it's taken care of.

Why doesn't Scotland consider the old yellow and red griffin flag which still flies over Edinburgh Castle, I wonder?

27 posted on 03/06/2014 12:21:20 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Man, I can barely look at the new flag design. It literally makes my eyes cross. I got dizzy.


28 posted on 03/06/2014 12:23:34 PM PST by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
What I'm saying is that since Wales was (unlike Scotland and Ireland) fully annexed into England itself, it was probably a mistake to "deannex" it. Doing this so long after annexation means slicing off a piece of England, thus paving the way for Cornish and other (left wing) nationalists. What's next, a restoration of Celtic Britain with the "foreign devils" sent back to Angeln, Lower Saxony, and Jutland??? -- Zionist Conspirator

Oh, the irony!

29 posted on 03/06/2014 12:27:45 PM PST by x
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To: Cyber Liberty

I’ve seen a design similar to that depicted on an ancient Greek shield—presumably the idea was to plant the idea of running away in the enemy hoplite’s mind.


30 posted on 03/06/2014 12:41:04 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: x
What I'm saying is that since Wales was (unlike Scotland and Ireland) fully annexed into England itself, it was probably a mistake to "deannex" it. Doing this so long after annexation means slicing off a piece of England, thus paving the way for Cornish and other (left wing) nationalists. What's next, a restoration of Celtic Britain with the "foreign devils" sent back to Angeln, Lower Saxony, and Jutland??? -- Zionist Conspirator

Oh, the irony!

I forgot to mention Scandinavia for the Danes and Normans.

31 posted on 03/06/2014 12:52:22 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Aren't current polls showing the Scots wanting to stay in the United Kingdom? Even if the independence faction wins, a victory would be by a narrow margin. There is no overwhelming sentiment for independence as there was in southern Ireland in 1920 or in the various parts of Yugoslavia in 1990.

There is more justification for England, Scotland, and Wales to remain in union than there is for the United States to do the same.

32 posted on 03/06/2014 1:02:06 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Not the irony I was talking about, but I’ll let it go.


33 posted on 03/06/2014 4:24:33 PM PST by x
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To: C19fan

Yes, as Ashburner carefully says, it is “unlike any other flag currently in existence.” Those of us of a more traditional and logical outlook might suggest there is a very good reason for that...


34 posted on 03/08/2014 2:48:58 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: VanDeKoik

That depends on whether Scotland opts to remain a monarchy if they accept independence. I’m quite sure the core membership of the SNP is very pro-republic (apart from the few olde style jacobites amongst them). If Scotland DOES reject the monarchy, the Union Flag WILL have to be changed. No question about it.


35 posted on 03/08/2014 2:52:09 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Viennacon

I dont think so. I’m British and I’ve never heard that one


36 posted on 03/08/2014 2:53:02 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Its actually a lion not a griffin. And that flag is specifically the standard of the Scottish monarch (who happens currently to be Queen of England as well).


37 posted on 03/08/2014 2:56:23 AM PST by Vanders9
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