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What is the US Navy doing in the Black Sea?
Fox News Channel | 7 MARCH 2014 | Old Navy Vet

Posted on 03/07/2014 11:53:00 AM PST by OldNavyVet

I made it into Istambul while serving in the Navy, but I've not heard about our Navy going into the Black Sea until now, on the Fox News Channel.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: navyblacksea
My question is ... What are we doing in the Black Sea, and when did it start?
1 posted on 03/07/2014 11:53:00 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

As I understand it, this was scheduled quite a while back.


2 posted on 03/07/2014 11:54:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: OldNavyVet

Routine exercise; it’s been planned for awhile.


3 posted on 03/07/2014 11:54:46 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Don’t forget that Romania is a member of NATO, and has ports on the Black Sea.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 11:56:09 AM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: OldNavyVet

My understanding is that one US destroyer got permission from the Turks to go in for “a pre-planned training operation.” Frankly, I’m concerned. If we’re not prepared to fight, and under this president I can’t believe we would be, then we need to keep our assets out of harm’s way.

Fighting with a nuclear armed state is crazy. Note how aggressive we’ve been with North Korea, who sank our “ally’s” warship. We sent a mild note deploring their behavior. (Oh, Scarrrry.)


5 posted on 03/07/2014 11:56:15 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: OldNavyVet

Istanbul, not Constantinople?


6 posted on 03/07/2014 11:56:27 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: cripplecreek

Probably not looking for ancient relics like others in that sea.


7 posted on 03/07/2014 11:56:43 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: OldNavyVet

Probably military exercise also keeping eye on Vlady and Russia miltary


8 posted on 03/07/2014 11:57:06 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: OldNavyVet

The smaller ships go to the Black Sea quite often, but capital ships like aircraft carriers stay in the Med.


9 posted on 03/07/2014 11:58:42 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Why did Constantinople get the works?


10 posted on 03/07/2014 11:59:16 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: OldNavyVet

BREAKING NEWS: Russian military vehicle crashes gate. Ukrainian base invaded.


11 posted on 03/07/2014 12:00:11 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: OldNavyVet

Going in to protect the Ukranians right to gay marriage no doubt.


12 posted on 03/07/2014 12:00:31 PM PST by wny
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To: dfwgator

That’s nobody’s business but the Turks.


13 posted on 03/07/2014 12:00:35 PM PST by 2big2fail
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To: OldNavyVet

They received orders to make haste and sail their azov.


14 posted on 03/07/2014 12:00:46 PM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Istanbul, not Constantinople?

That's nobody's business but the Turks.

15 posted on 03/07/2014 12:01:13 PM PST by nitzy
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To: dfwgator

I guess it’s nobody’s business but the Turks’.


16 posted on 03/07/2014 12:01:22 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: 2big2fail

You beat me by 38 seconds


17 posted on 03/07/2014 12:02:02 PM PST by nitzy
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To: OldNavyVet; All

Fox is now reporting that Russian troops have stormed a Ukrainian military installation.


18 posted on 03/07/2014 12:02:18 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: OldNavyVet

I’m no navy expert, goodness knows, but might part of the reason be to evacuate Americans in Ukraine/Crimea (if there are any) in case of major fighting...?


19 posted on 03/07/2014 12:04:09 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Istanbul, not Constantinople?

That's nobody's business but the Turks.

20 posted on 03/07/2014 12:06:04 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: OldNavyVet

All seas are equal dontcha know! ;-)


21 posted on 03/07/2014 12:07:17 PM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Viennacon
BREAKING NEWS: Russian military vehicle crashes gate. Ukranian base invaded

Asssuming that's true, Obama should lodge a protest with the UN. Putin can't do that while Obama's on vacation.

22 posted on 03/07/2014 12:08:33 PM PST by grania
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To: VerySadAmerican

Did you hear that on FOX TV?


23 posted on 03/07/2014 12:09:11 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11))
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To: ColdOne

Yes, at the top of the hour.


24 posted on 03/07/2014 12:10:00 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: OldNavyVet

During the Cold War we would send a destroyer into the Black Sea at least once a year to show the flag and make the point it is international waters. I don’t know if that’s what this is or if this has something to do with the Ukraine crisis.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 12:10:39 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: VerySadAmerican

Thanks


26 posted on 03/07/2014 12:14:26 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11))
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To: OldNavyVet

making Obama look tough

or maybe setting up some rainbow parties onboard to invite the Romanians over for a drag show


27 posted on 03/07/2014 12:15:44 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: colorado tanker

Given the growing international financial mess, various “leaders” need things happening to get military action going.


28 posted on 03/07/2014 12:19:18 PM PST by OldNavyVet (My top choice for the 2014 elections has Sarah Palin going into the Senate...)
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To: OldNavyVet
What are we doing in the Black Sea, and when did it start?

This is a freedom of the high seas exercise. In international law, a 'right' that is not exercised for a long time is 'legally' lost. In order to preserve the definition of the Black Sea as 'high seas' and not territorial waters, the US Navy periodically (about once a year) sails a ship up into the Black Sea. The Black Sea demonstration been going on since prior to WWI, not always or only by the USN. This is also not limited to the Black Sea.

Another example was the Gulf of Sidra fight with Libya. Ghadaffi had declared the entire Gulf of Sidra to be Libyan territorial waters. We disagreed, saying that they were part of the 'high seas' and belonged to no single nation. To prove our point, we sailed a task group past his "Line of Death" and he sent out some fighters to harass our ships. F-14s shot them down.

International maritime law prior to the self-proclaimed declarations of the UN is *all* derived from common law - which is to say, common practice of the nations of the world. To that end, something that becomes common practice - or ceases to be - is a 'legal' basis for declaring that international law has changed. The USN engages in freedom of the seas demonstrations all over the maritime world.

In addition to maintaining that certain areas are 'high seas', there is an 'innocent transit' clause in international law for warships which says that they can transit waterways en route from one high seas area to another as long as they do it without engaging in combat activities. To that end, we (USN) notify nations that control the transit areas (in this case, the Bosporus and Dardanelles Straits) of our intent and our ships do not engage in military activities such as using anti-submarine sonars or fire control radars while transiting. In fact, since operating submerged is a combat activity for submarines, USN submarines transit straits such as the Strait of Malacca on the surface. And since it's hard to see a surfaced submarine, they get a USN surface ship escort while they are transiting the strait.

So it's not quite right to say that we had to get 'permission' from Turkey. In fact, that was part of the point - we have the right to make the transit between high seas areas through a historically recognized transit routes (straits). But as a courtesy, we inform them of our transit. And if the country claiming territoriality over the strait has some good reason to delay the transit, we usually work out a mutually agreeable time.
29 posted on 03/07/2014 12:20:47 PM PST by Phlyer
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

That’s nobody’s business but the Turks.


30 posted on 03/07/2014 12:24:50 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Gen.Blather

Don’t forget, the NORKS boarded and CAPTURED a US Navy ship! And they still HAVE it!


31 posted on 03/07/2014 12:25:14 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: VerySadAmerican

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/442031881568387072

Hearing that a couple of journalists have been quite badly beaten up by the self defence units near the Sevastopol base being stormed. Grim.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.578553

Russian soldiers attack Ukrainian military base in Crimea


32 posted on 03/07/2014 12:25:40 PM PST by maggief
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To: OldNavyVet
The US has been sending warships into the black sea for decades, probably over a century.

However, there is an International Treaty that limits total tonnage of all countries except Russia.

That had something to do with one of the many, many wars fought in and around it.

33 posted on 03/07/2014 12:25:54 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Viennacon

Did they Crash the Gate at 98?


34 posted on 03/07/2014 12:26:06 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Phlyer

we have had one there since Souchi having its prop repaired.


35 posted on 03/07/2014 12:26:33 PM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: OldNavyVet

Montreux Convention of 1936 limits everyone except Black Sea countries to ships under 10,000 tons.


36 posted on 03/07/2014 12:33:08 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Phlyer
our ships do not engage in military activities such as using anti-submarine sonars or fire control radars while transiting.

That's news to me. I was in the Navy a long time ago and we occasionally used Fire Control radars in navigating into US Ports.

37 posted on 03/07/2014 12:36:03 PM PST by OldNavyVet (My top choice for the 2014 elections has Sarah Palin going into the Senate...)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I had a date in Constantinople, but she was waiting in Istanbul.


38 posted on 03/07/2014 12:38:09 PM PST by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The Muslim scum who stole Istanbul will get an overdue comeuppance when Mother Earth unleashes the next earthquake on them.

http://phys.org/news/2012-09-istanbulthe-earthquake-megacity.html


39 posted on 03/07/2014 1:18:23 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SevenofNine

Probably military exercise also keeping eye on Vlady and Russia miltary.

We were doing that with the U-2 when I was at Incirlik Air Base.


40 posted on 03/07/2014 1:25:33 PM PST by billhilly (Its OK, the left hated Bush.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

They are too big. In a tonnage way, by treaty. Plus they are too tall to fit under the bridge.


41 posted on 03/07/2014 1:54:32 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Another question: what are WE, the tax payers, doing giving the Ukes a BILLION dollars?


42 posted on 03/07/2014 2:46:09 PM PST by matginzac
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To: matginzac
what are WE, the tax payers, doing giving the Ukes a BILLION dollars?

Bribing people to say whatever it takes to create an illusion that Obama is somehow in control of the situation.

43 posted on 03/07/2014 2:51:41 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: matginzac
"Another question: what are WE, the tax payers, doing giving the Ukes a BILLION dollars?"

My tin foil thought:

Ukraine is being used as a "go between" so that obama can pay putin blackmail $$$ for destroying his russian records and birth certificate. Any money Ukraine receives will end up in putin's pocket. How's that for flexibility!

44 posted on 03/07/2014 5:39:53 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Oh wow!
Anything is possible with these dooofs running the country...
Your idea is as plausible as any.....


45 posted on 03/08/2014 12:15:27 PM PST by matginzac
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