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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 10 MARCH 7, 2014
Free Republic | March 7, 2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 03/07/2014 12:18:07 PM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Sunny Days are here again! The sky is clear, and the temperature is a heavenly 57 degrees. Tommorrow we'll be back to rain and snow followed by some sun and milder temps.

Went outside to remove the row covers. Garlic is doing well. All else looks like it'll never recover in my beds. Of course the winter rye is doing well too.

I feel guilty for sitting here at the computer, when I should be outside doing some sort of work, but not so guilty that I am going to act on it.LOL

I have 4 cherry size tomatoes. Lost the label so don't remember if the tomato in the pot indoors is a medium size slicer or cherry tomato. They are still green, so I'll just have to see if they grow more or not.

Forgot to water stuff earlier in the week as I was busy with other stuff. The basil, lemon tree, and tomato plant seem like they are recovering though.

Hope you are all doing well. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 03/07/2014 12:18:07 PM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List.


2 posted on 03/07/2014 12:23:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

It was 4 degrees this morning, 27 degrees at noon, and it’s 35 degrees now at 3:27 PM here in Massachusetts. In looking over the seeds I ordered, I’ve found that I forgot jalapenos. I guess we’ll have to pick up a packet locally.


3 posted on 03/07/2014 12:29:31 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Well, at least you are a teeny bit above freezing for now. Days like we have here give me a big burst of spring fever. I have learned though that it’s way too early to get going with too much, cause we can still have snow till mid April.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 12:35:33 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I hear you. I’m determined to get at least some seeds started this week end. It’s not easy with a 13 week old puppy.


5 posted on 03/07/2014 12:40:29 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes
The brassicas, onions, and potatoes that I had out in the big garden survived this last nasty freeze. I finally dug them out of their mulch cover today. Potatoes look a little rough, but that's to be expected. It's early enough that they'll put out some new growth.

/johnny

6 posted on 03/07/2014 12:45:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Down in San Antonio. Anything Incan put in the ground now? Still have some beets, carrots and lettuce that went through the winter frosts here and reared still growing.

Anyway, as a noob who is in year two of 4x4’s, what can I do now to prepare soil for upcoming season. Last year I got beautiful plants but no fruit. What can I do differently?


7 posted on 03/07/2014 12:54:46 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: trisham

I’d probably play with the puppy.LOL


8 posted on 03/07/2014 1:00:16 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I started my lettuce seeds inside last week and they are sprouting and looking good. I also stated some trays of eggplant and pepper seeds. I think I will stick with buying tomato plants.

My daffodils and hyacinths had started to bloom last week and then the temps plummeted to the low teens and froze their pretty little blossoms. I did learn from last winter to plant my pansies in pots so I could bring them into the garage when there is a freeze. The pansies at the entrance to my sub division were devastated by the cold weather last week.

Here in north Texas there is always a water ban. I wish we could have a mixture of flower gardens and stone or gravel in our front yard instead of having to try, and I do mean try, to have a nice lawn that doesn’t get cited by the HOA.

Can’t wait for the warmer weather to really get outside and work in the gardens.


9 posted on 03/07/2014 1:00:48 PM PST by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: JRandomFreeper

So is that how you store your stock for the next years planting?


10 posted on 03/07/2014 1:01:23 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: heylady

Sounds like the HOA needs to have an attitude adjustment. When water is scarce, hardscapping can make an attractive, but eco-friendly space.


11 posted on 03/07/2014 1:04:44 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; greeneyes
Your freeze days should be just about over. I'd start looking at putting stuff out after the vernal equinox on the 20th.

I'm not familiar with raised beds, so one of the others that does raised beds can probably answer what you need to do with them.

For my big garden, now that I'm no-till, I put down about 8" of compostables and mulch. I'll just move that stuff back out of the way when I get ready to plant.

/johnny

12 posted on 03/07/2014 1:05:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes
No, I planted these when the grandkids were out, knowing I'd be taking a chance with the weather. I lucked out.

/johnny

13 posted on 03/07/2014 1:07:38 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes; ApplegateRanch; JRandomFreeper; sockmonkey; All
About the three containers with three seed potatoes in each container - a question:

I noticed this morning one of the containers has a stalk with a tiny bit of leaf about two inches or less growing out of the mix in the container. The other two potatoes in that container are still under the mix. What do I do now? Do I leave the stalk there uncovered or do I put enough mix in the container to cover it up?

This cold icy weather has taught me something - it allowed me to know which type plants suffer the most in this type weather even when they are covered.

The Mortgage Lifter tomato plant died. The Sweet Million Tomato looks really bad. The other three types of tomato plants are okay.

Cucumbers are fragile no matter the type. The four Homemade Pickles Cucumbers didn't look great after I transplanted them into larger containers, but the cold has killed them, I'm sure. The Carolina cucumbers were in smaller pots and it appears only one is going to live. These seeds come up fast in Espoma seed starter so I will plant them later next year to avoid possible cold/ice weather. I have Supremo and National Pickling Cucumbers under the grow lamp. As soon as I get more Espoma seed starter around March 17, I will plant more Homemade Pickles and Carolina cucumbers.

The Borettana Cipollini (Italian) onions died. The other types, three different bunching type, are okay. I'll plant more Cipollini seed when I get more Espoma starter.

I have a bunch of celery plants in a smaller pot with the other young seedlings that were out there, and the celery looks like they spit in the eye of the freeze, absolutely not bothered by the freeze. Those need to be put in a bigger pot, actually thinned out as there are so many in there. The pepper seedlings of several types appear to have made it - barely. Peppers are slow to grow from seed.

Numerous seedlings under the grow lamp already need to be in bigger pots but the seeds in the Jiffy seed starter have not sprouted, not even one cup. Those will be planted again when I get the Espoma starter. That is my biggest failure to date - that lousy Jiffy seed starter.

Buy Espoma Seed Starter if you actually want seeds to sprout and fast.

14 posted on 03/07/2014 1:10:21 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: JRandomFreeper

In theory, April 20th is the last average frost day. However we often have a freeze or two after that. And often about a month of too cool and too damp weather.

I have mid March as my sort the tomato seeds and get the final tomato plan done, then decide whether to start them early or wait to plant out doors. I often just wait and plant the seeds outdoors.

Eventually, we may be forced to optimize our harvest by starting every thing as early as possible. But for now we have sufficient space, and long enough season to just plant seeds outdoors for most stuff.


15 posted on 03/07/2014 1:13:54 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I lost some patio plants during the last freeze. None of my fruit trees got nipped. They are full of blossoms today and the bees are loving the fresh nectar.


16 posted on 03/07/2014 1:21:27 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I started out with a raised sq. ft. garden. It sounds like your mix doesn’t provide enough potassium, or phosphorus to me. You might want to add some organic fertilizer that has 15 30 15. Each sq. foot will need a generous helping of compost when you are ready to plant.

I would plant these beds in the fall with winter grains such as cereal rye, winter wheat, or hairy vetch. In February, sow any bare batches with red clover. Then in the spring turn it under about 4 weeks before planting for “green compost”.


17 posted on 03/07/2014 1:25:09 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

He keeps me busy. :)


18 posted on 03/07/2014 1:25:33 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Marcella

I wouldn’t worry about covering them until they are quite a bit taller than 2 inches.(6 inches)

Yes, I’ve learned that warm weather fruits and veggies just don’t like the cold. Best to have them in containers that can be brought in or wait till the weather is reliabley 60 degrees at all times.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 1:28:46 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

That’s great news!


20 posted on 03/07/2014 1:30:54 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
reliabely = reliably
21 posted on 03/07/2014 1:32:28 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
We are nearing the “hardening off” stage in our tomato/pepper/sprouts collection.

Another 24 inch wide seed starter bought at Lowes.

Avoid the smaller units since they won't hold much weight. The plastic rails holding the trays fold up with big plants.

22 posted on 03/07/2014 1:33:59 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: greeneyes; All

Well the early week sub freezing temps did a number on the mustard tendergreens. My bad for not covering them up better.
Garlic survived just fine. Transplanted mint plant leftover from last year from the garden to the west corner—its hanging on but the other mint plant transplanted from seed is looking dead after the cold spell. I got replacement backups though waiting in the wings on the window sill.


23 posted on 03/07/2014 1:35:23 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes; Arrowhead1952

Talking about the fruit trees - great news. Not so good for patio plants. Sorry to be so unclear.


24 posted on 03/07/2014 1:37:41 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

Don’t count the mint out yet. Just keep treating it like it’s alive. It may suprise you.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 1:39:02 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

My Earthbox replant kits should arrive today. I will get the dolomite turned into the media and let it set for 1-2 weeks. Then buy my plants.
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I only have 4 boxes and will go with one plant type in each this year, except one that will have a mix of herbs. They will be grape tomatos, yellow summer squash and zucchini squash. The herbs will be cilantro, basil, thyme and oregano.


26 posted on 03/07/2014 1:39:07 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I’ve got to get some 3 oz dixie cups. I saved some miniature muffin containers from the deli, and the 3 oz cups fit perfectly. I won’t start a lot of of stuff indoors, but may do some.


27 posted on 03/07/2014 1:42:00 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
We visited Nashville this past week for four days. All our plants survived just fine without fussing. One of the small hot house seed started folded up and fell against the window. This was an 18 inch wide unit bought as Menards. The 24 inch units are sturdier.
28 posted on 03/07/2014 1:49:26 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: greeneyes
In theory, April 20th is the last average frost day. However we often have a freeze or two after that. And often about a month of too cool and too damp weather. I have mid March as my sort the tomato seeds and get the final tomato plan done, then decide whether to start them early or wait to plant out doors. I often just wait and plant the seeds outdoors.

Being in the same zone as you I usually start them either this weekend or next indoors and them about mid April I look at the 10 day forecast and decide whether to plant outside or no. If I plant I can always use a plastic dropcloth to ward off a late frost. Because I installed a heated greenhouse I started a couple of weeks early this year. I will see how that works and maybe start earlier next year.

29 posted on 03/07/2014 1:53:32 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

One of these days, I am going to try out one of those earthbox kits for my indoor winter garden.


30 posted on 03/07/2014 1:56:12 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Hubby has a bunch of stuff that he gets at the end of season sale at Walmart, but he has tables and counters that he uses to set them on, so they don’t have to be that sturdy anyway.

I hate them.LOL


31 posted on 03/07/2014 1:58:40 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Starstruck

If I had a heated green house, I would start earlier too.


32 posted on 03/07/2014 1:59:51 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; KGeorge

For San Antonio, here is a Spring Garden calendar from Fanick’s..
http://www.fanicknursery.com/Downloads/2014/Calendar_2014.pdf

Also, tomorrow, Fankick’s is having their:

Spring Vegetable seminar
March 8, 2014
Starting at 10:30am to noon
David Rodriguez from the Agri-life Extension service will show you how to properly plant, grow and harvest your vegetables. David has a ton of experience in gardening and would love to share his knowledge and passion of vegetables with you.

They are located at:
1025 Holmgreen Road
San Antonio, TX. 78220

http://www.fanickgardencenter.com/


33 posted on 03/07/2014 2:01:27 PM PST by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: greeneyes

Can’t get hubby to till the garden like he promised and I need time after to measure it out and put down weed fabric before I can even think about putting anything out. I’d wanted some of the cole seedings out on 3/15. And to think I made him 2 packages of bacon yesterday and got the car inspected today for him. I finally got to the grocery store earlier (second time in 4 months) and they had a bunch of nice looking $1 4” plants so picked up a tomatillo and a Celebrity tomato which I’m thinking will seed (knock on wood) cheaper than buying the $4 seed packages inside. I haven’t been able to find tomatillo seeds without ordering them online. Yes, the Celebrity is a hybrid but we’ll see.

Weather goes from the teens to 80. One the way home today, there were lots of trees budding out and I would bet we’ll be having more freezes for the next 6 weeks or so.

Hey! The wild cat I’ve been feeding let me pet her twice this week. Ok, it wasn’t so much let me since I refused to give her space while eating. Ack, it’s a she and she’s pg so I’m expecting new surprises any day.


34 posted on 03/07/2014 2:04:08 PM PST by bgill
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To: greeneyes

Glad to see some decent weather for you.

It’s sunny and 68 here.

I examined the aftermath of the ice storm today. Our beautiful magnolia tree is not so beautiful now, it is thinner and lopesided now. WE do have a bunch of firewood for the outdoor firepit when it drys out. The container plants may sprout new grow after we cut back the dead stuff. My two Meyers lemons survived, along with a couple of other plants, but I sure don’t know how.

We are really cautious about planting the garden this weekend, but may do it anyway. We gambled and lost on the containers plants, so what’s a dozen veggie plants if we loose them. The store has more. My seedlings are not yet big enough for the ground yet, maybe another week. Our 90% last frost date is Mar 17.

We have some direct sow seeds, but they may have to wait a week or so, we have a lot on our plate this weekend, plus the prospect of being rainy is moderate.

I have not even went to get a cattle panel for a grow arch, the procrastination is starting to show!


35 posted on 03/07/2014 2:05:57 PM PST by rightly_dividing (Hate is what people that hate the truth call the truth.)
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To: greeneyes

My carrots have sprouted, as has one of the pickling cucumber plants. Broccoli and tomatoes seem to be doing okay and the raspberry bush is kicking butt and stretching out every day. Potatoes and onions in the 4x4 are doing well and I added some Walla Walla onions in with the green onions around the perimeter so I’ll have a little variety come harvest time.

Just got a Serrano pepper plant yesterday and put it in a good sized pot so hopefully that’ll produce after about 90 to 100 days.

And wifey’s orchid plants look amazing! I’ll have to take some pics and upload them. The mini daffodils came and went in a span of about a week so we hardly got any time to enjoy them, but I have a nice amaryllis out front that’s going to open up in the next day or two.

I’m still hoping to get back into the workforce real soon, but that’ll come at a trade-off with enjoying my gardening exploits. Happy Friday to all!


36 posted on 03/07/2014 2:06:25 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad
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To: greeneyes; Marcella; TEXOKIE; JRandomFreeper; bgill; ApplegateRanch; SisterK
Our up-the-road neighbor asked us to try to raise a 6-hour-old orphaned puppy this past Tuesday evening (the mom rejected her; she was the runt of the litter). She's still alive and seems to be progressing, but there isn't much time to do anything else. We did get four grape plants on our last warehouse club trip--two green seedless and two red ones. The Catawba plant didn't do very well last summer and appears to be diseased, so I think we're going to uproot it. I wonder how a couple of paw paw trees would do in western TN. We plan to order some fruit before we plant the trees but it seems that the fruit has a very short season and only ripens in September.

Have a great weekend, y'all!

37 posted on 03/07/2014 2:08:18 PM PST by Silentgypsy (Make sure she doesn’t get ahold of the gom jabbar)
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To: trisham

I have a three-day-old puppy, so I know what you mean.


38 posted on 03/07/2014 2:09:49 PM PST by Silentgypsy (Make sure she doesn’t get ahold of the gom jabbar)
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To: Silentgypsy

Three days old?


39 posted on 03/07/2014 2:10:47 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes; tflabo

It’s not easy to kill mint, no matter how hard I try.


40 posted on 03/07/2014 2:11:35 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bgill

Your either going to have to up the guilt factor or bribe him.LOL


41 posted on 03/07/2014 2:11:48 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

I didn’t have any luck last year getting the herb bed to grow. I did get some cilantro going a few weeks ago. The chamomile seeds in a pot that didn’t germinate last year decided they’d grow last month. That pot was left outside with no water at all since last July. Crazy but I’m glad since I’d used up a whole package of seeds last spring to get them come up.


42 posted on 03/07/2014 2:12:07 PM PST by bgill
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To: tflabo

It was 15 here last weekend.


43 posted on 03/07/2014 2:13:02 PM PST by bgill
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To: Silentgypsy

Good for you! That can’t be easy.


44 posted on 03/07/2014 2:13:25 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: rightly_dividing

Well some good news on the lemon’s survival. I was just thinking today that I might get another lemon tree. The lemons have so much more juice than the ones we get in the store.

I can procrastinate with the best.LOL


45 posted on 03/07/2014 2:14:16 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Sorry to be so unclear.

No problem. I read between the lines on that earlier reply. I've got to get my garlic into the ground this week.

46 posted on 03/07/2014 2:15:04 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Looking forward to seeing the pictures. I was never able to grow anything when I was working. Though if I had known about sq ft gardening, I might have had a small bed with some success.

It’s a good method for beginners I think. First time I was ever able to grow anything.


47 posted on 03/07/2014 2:17:56 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I do mine in the fall. If I did it in the spring, I’d never get around to it. LOL

I really don’t like spring planting. Too cool and damp.


48 posted on 03/07/2014 2:19:18 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
If I had a heated green house, I would start earlier too.

Sounds great, but I was trying to get a number of my wife's flowers through the winter. Last weekend we got a strong north wind that blew the pilot light out on our NG heater. Then the temperature plummeted to -9. We got a head start on mulch this year.

49 posted on 03/07/2014 2:21:34 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: greeneyes

And I trimmed his hair this morning. Hmm, yes, someone is raising the stakes.


50 posted on 03/07/2014 2:21:42 PM PST by bgill
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