And limited intelligence as well?
Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops
Posted on 03/08/2014 5:57:28 AM PST by lwd
This is an institutional problem. Training and expectations. Police training is fairly uniform throughout the country because curriculum that has been developed is widely distributed. The outcome of the fairly uniform training is fairly uniform.
Until Police, and courts for that matter start asking a simple question: Does my presence or actions make the situation better or make the situation worse? It is a simple question.
I can find guys to crack head in a bar for $8 an hour. If that’s all the cops are, then we are paying them way more than they are worth
Cops, cities are playing a very dangerous game right now. They are pushing the law and order citizens who pay the bills to the edge of violence against them. The time will come when the mob comes for them. When it does, all the nice shiny cars, well buffed oak furniture will not save them. The mob will drag them from their cars, chambers, and light them on fire in the gutter. The mob will be made up of the criminal element. The difference is that the law abiding citizens will just let them burn. They won’t resist the tyranny of the mob, because it will pose less of a threat than the tyranny of the Cops. That is the tipping point these institutions are toying with. Very dangerous for everybody involved.
Law Enforcement: Change your values, training and expectations while you still can. Before you can’t.
That seems fair.....
That man should lose his job at the VERY least.
Anyone who is in law enforcement who exercises that poor judgment does not belong in a position of that kind of authority or power.
Cops can be trained in dealing with the elderly. With EMS training we learn to give them extra time to answer questions and respond as their thinking processes slow with age. We will kneel in front of them while they are seated to give them the feeling of control. A one day training in dealing with the elderly would help officers reduce their expectations to reality.
So the police were only there as a matter of procedure to begin with, not for any actual danger.
Shari Keller said “tackle” is an accurate word for what happened. “It was pick him up, slam him to the floor,” she said. “The nurses were so upset they were in tears.” Hamm placed a knee in Loy’s back, pulled Loy’s arms behind him and handcuffed the minister. With Loy still on the floor, Hamm told Keller and the staff to stay back or leave the room, and he would not allow them to assist Loy, the suit claims.
Absolutely outrageous. Sickening! I hope he gets his badge sued off, the SOB.
Here is a good article to support what I am talking about. This is from CPAC where conservatives have had enough of the WOD: http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/07/CPAC-Audience-Legalize-It
When the government abuses it’s citizens everybody loses. Imagine CPAC members having had enough of the government clubbing people over maryJane.
Again, dealing with the elderly, particularly sick, mentally diminished elderly does require tact and a different approach. Common sense says you treat an old guy with a fever and a cane differently than a punk on bath salts eating somebodies face.
But I am telling you Police better change who and what they are, while they still can.
Physical injuries from the tackle and he denies him medical care. Amazing.
I understand that the c in CPAC is for conservatives, but it is attended by large numbers of Libertarians who dominated that meeting. Not really conservatives. Libertarians tend to be conservative on some issues, certainly not on drugs. My concern is how does one control second hand smoke and protect infants and children? You can’t. I do not favor legalizing pot or anything else.
There is a limited education needed to be a cop. High school diploma and some police academy classes. Certainly does not guarantee intelligence. One would hope for quality candidates with common sense to take the job, but —alas— we take our chances.
“Common sense says you treat an old guy with a fever and a cane differently than a punk on bath salts eating somebodies face.”
Well, it’s “comnon sense” element that seems to be missing here. Like, zero tolerance in schools. Like shooting dogs that are barking at you instead of avoiding them. When I was in high school, I saw administrators confiscate small amounts of drugs from students and scare the crap out of them, instead of calling in the po-po and ruining their lives.
If liberals and conservatives can’t find some common ground against the machinery and process of thuggery soon, I agree that there will be a sudden, massive, and very ugly backlash against it. It’s just a matter of time until there is an incident so outrageous that it becomes a tipping point. I believe that someone like Ron Paul in some capacity can help to do this.
Look I think the problem that people have with the WOD is not pot or no pot. I think the problem is government seizures of property without cause or warrant. No knock warrants executed by the fistful. The 4th Amendment, the 5th Amendment ignored and gamed.
That is the problem. Not pot. The question is, is the government by their actions making things better or worst. That is the fundamental question, not second hand contact high questions.
I and many others avoid pot not because it is against the law, but because it is stupid. For the same reason I don’t drink a fifth of vodka every night. Is it against the law to drink a fifth of vodka every night? No. But I don’t do it because I don’t want to destroy my liver. Do some people drink a fifth of vodka every night? Probably. Again the question is, is the government making the situation better or worst? Do people see more destruction of lives and lively hood from the actions of the government or from pot consumption. I think right now the government is causing more disruption and destruction trying to stop a problem than the problem itself could ever create. That is the point.
Some idiot low I.Q. cop beating up an old man at a nursing home is not terribly uncommon. Nor is an instance of cops not providing medical attention and killing an injured driver: http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2010/03/clackamas_county_settles_for_1.html
This case in Clackamas County is once again evidence of cops not asking a simple question, am I making the situation better or worst?
This is a matter of Police Institutional standards, expectations and training methods. If cops don’t reform they risk wide spread deadly violence against them by the lawless who will do the violence, and apathy from the law abiding who will let it happen.
The practices and expectations of LEO in this country are disgraceful. The whole rotten mess needs to be re-tooled. It can be done, but it must be done by LEO who run the institutions, develop standards and implement training.
“Absolutely outrageous. Sickening! I hope he gets his badge sued off, the SOB.”
No point...I hope that the city gets its a$$ sued off, the people who live there (and elected the city government) work for this guy and his family for a few years, and the city loses its liability insurance. A few “examples” like this would change things.
Fire the officer!!
About twenty years in general population for the cop is right.
We have seen it before. Remember the L.A. riots? LAPD lost vast parts of the city to rioters. This was more than just Rodney King. This was decades of abuse at the hands of officers. This was back before everybody had a video camera on their phones, but obviously marked a new era of citizens filming cops.
Cops don’t like being filmed and held accountable. The sunlight tends to sanitize the bacteria.
As an EMT, I have been on a call to the nursing home for an unruly, violent elderly male, probably his meds were off complicating the problem. The cop there was very hesitant to use force, as he did not want to physically harm the patient while trying to help. He understood the situation perfectly. We talked the man down and into the ambulance. No violence, no injury. Digoxin poisoning happens to the elderly, not their fault. Lots of other meds can add up in their bodies and do similar things. Sundowning can happen. The list of possibilities is endless. Compassion cannot be taught, though. Sometimes cops become cops for the wrong reasons. I am thankful that in my town there are decent cops. I am lucky.
The Officer assisting you is, was, a credit to his profession. But many officers are roid using knuckleheads. The way they see the job, versus how the rest of us see the job represents a vast gulf of difference.
BTW it is interesting that the same cop who will bust kids for using illegal mary jane is the same cop using illegal roids.
There are far too many of these stories these days. It’s a twofold problem - first is the acts themselves. But secondly, the good will of the people for peace officers is being replaced with fear and loathing at a fantastic rate, and that is deadly for society.
We need good cops! This is NOT optional!
Same here. We would have cops show up to help with dis-orderly old people and for the most part they would allow us to handle it unless it got out of hand. They would speak to the person calmly if they got there first and I have never seen them get out of hand with one.
Old Timer cops knew respect. A lot were brought up in stable homes and many were Korean or Vietnam era vets so it took a lot to get them flustered.
Doesn’t really take a high IQ to have common sense. I just can’t believe they rejected a candidate for being TOO intelligent, though. Crazy world.
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