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The mysterious coywolf, a mixture of western coyote and eastern wolf
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Posted on 03/09/2014 2:01:08 PM PDT by DBCJR

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To: TigersEye

OMG, they are doggie divinity!

I *like* pointy dogs.

:D

[and you need not worry that wolves will eat you, now]


101 posted on 03/09/2014 5:31:24 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Grampa Dave

Yeah, I watched that a few weeks ago. Amazing creatures. Right there in downtown Chicago, New York, and Toronto.

Thankfully, our coyotes in Alabama are the scrawnier, littler kind. I do image they’ll be on their way down here, eventually. Nature abhors a vacuum and bigger predators just aren’t here except people.

Makes me wonder what will happen when the Coywolf meets the Red Wolves reintroduced into North Carolina.


102 posted on 03/09/2014 5:32:18 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Salamander
People come up with some wonderfully stupid ideas that, I reckon, must have seemed good, at the time.
:-\

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Ain't dat da truth!

103 posted on 03/09/2014 5:35:20 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Salamander

:) Apparently new neighbor is really into them. He described a get together with a bunch of other Borzoi owners on a large property. About fifty Borzois took off after a rabbit and by his description they clearly began working together in an instant. Amazing since they weren’t familiar with each other until that day. On the run they assumed the roles of leader, followers and flankers with no apparent confusion about it. He said it was beautiful to watch and I can see why.


104 posted on 03/09/2014 5:45:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye
instinct and training are a lot alike... if you simply start doing what you see needs to be done, others will do the same and a leader will naturally emerge
105 posted on 03/09/2014 5:53:23 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

It’s pretty cool that they do it without even a practice run together and that it’s not just a competition of fastest one gets there first.


106 posted on 03/09/2014 6:05:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

That is the beauty of the sighthound.
They all *just know* what to do.

I had 4 Ibizans here that were related but not familiar with each other, really.

Along with them, there were 2 Dobes and a small Am Staff.

One day, the aggravating squirrel who tormented them daily from the safety of the old maple in the front yard went suddenly stoopid and leaped into the back yard, right in their collective midst.

In a flash, the Ibizans gave chase and shockingly, the Dobes and AmStaff followed.

It was the only time I ever heard their infamous yodeling, war cry.

Blood curdling!

The squirrel made it to the back fence but not before Renne, the bitch in the lead, chomped down on his tail.

“Stumpy” lived many more years after that but never bothered the dogs again.

I only have Djinni the Ibizan and Gypsy, the Portuguese Podengo Medio left now but every spring and summer is spent keeping them from murdering my chipmunks.

Gypsy, smaller and fuzzier, zooms under the thickets to flush them out and Djinni, tail ‘flagging’ like crazy awaits on the edge of the briars to seize them as they run out.

It’s amazing how well they coordinate their hunt but still, I like my little chippies *alive*.

:)

I used to go to lure coursing events and the Borzoi and Scottish Deerhounds were my favorites to watch.

Very pointy dogs.


107 posted on 03/09/2014 6:09:42 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Texan5
I hike in the woods most days, but not without bear spray, or even a sidearm.

I did not realize the threat level in other parts of the country. Here in the PNW, you will hear about the occasional cougar attack, and wolves are being reintroduced, but people generally still wander with no protection in forest areas. The ones who do carry do so as much for homo sapien threats as animal.

I guess the fact that the northwest has no where near the population density of humans and pets has to do the lack of hybrid or cross development?

108 posted on 03/09/2014 6:11:28 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: TigersEye
100%! as long as everybody does what they see needs to be done, the whole group wins

it's not a race, it's survival, and they know it without having to be taught

poetry in motion

109 posted on 03/09/2014 6:12:17 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: TigersEye; Chode

A pack of dogs coming together can assess hierarchy via body language and smell faster than the human eye can even perceive.

Especially hounds, that were specifically bred to cooperate with each other.

To them, ‘the pack’ is much more of a cooperative collective than a competitive rank.


110 posted on 03/09/2014 6:14:50 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Salamander
Very pointy dogs.

LOL Yes, they kind of make your dobies look stocky and blocky. ;-)

111 posted on 03/09/2014 6:19:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Salamander
100% they don't call it a pack mentality for nothing... and i don't mean a pack of feral youts either
112 posted on 03/09/2014 6:20:32 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode; TigersEye

If you’re squeamish about the real purpose of Borzoi, don’t watch...:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oneQ5XGrLHA

Nice pack of Lurchers, there, too.


113 posted on 03/09/2014 6:28:58 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: DBCJR

It’s not unusual for coyotes and domestic dogs to breed so what’s the big deal.

Just one dog screwing another dog and making puppies.


114 posted on 03/09/2014 6:31:54 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: TigersEye
And this is why I have some of *both*.

:D

My first Dobes were of the old "pointy" type.

My current are Euros which are quite stocky/blocky.

There was a time in their history where they were much more "greyhound-y"


115 posted on 03/09/2014 6:34:16 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

We live in an area in NC around a lake where the homes are all on lots of 5 acres or more. Husband and I argued about whether what we have been seeing was wolf or coyote. Now I know. The cats are no longer allowed to roam needless to say. The dog is an amstaff - I don’t let him roam either, but for different reasons.

Truthfully, we need the deer control. I think everyone in the county has lost a vehicle to deer. They are out of control, so I guess I’ll welcome these big guys.

I didn’t think they were coyote because they are so much larger than what I saw growing up in Oklahoma and Texas. Husband said not wolf, because he’d seen the real thing in Alaska.


116 posted on 03/09/2014 6:34:26 PM PDT by Roses0508
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To: Chode

I love it, myself.

[that’s probably why I hang around with bikers, too]

;D


117 posted on 03/09/2014 6:35:31 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Salamander
that's the problem of running from a pack, you have to run flat out ALL THE TIME, where the pack can switch out the point dog while the others are catching their breath for another go
118 posted on 03/09/2014 6:36:51 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Salamander
Very nice!

It's very hard to exaggerate how slender and pointy a Borzoi is. :)

119 posted on 03/09/2014 6:38:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Salamander
it's cause you're BAD... 8^) still have the trike, yes?
120 posted on 03/09/2014 6:39:19 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Roses0508

I can tell you from many years of experience, they suck at deer control.

They’re more inclined to smaller, less troublesome prey..like cats, dogs, young livestock.

An AmStaff won’t bother them.

They’ll swarm it and kill it.

When we had a plague of them here, I let my Ibizans and Dobes out into a securely fenced back yard and *still* stood watch over them with a gun.


121 posted on 03/09/2014 6:39:44 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Chode

Yep.

Major awesomeness.

Dogs rule.

:)


122 posted on 03/09/2014 6:40:51 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: muir_redwoods
" I never walk the dogs unarmed either"


123 posted on 03/09/2014 6:42:10 PM PDT by Redcitizen (When a zombie apocalypse starts, Chuck Norris doesn't try to survive. The zombies do.)
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To: TigersEye

The modern Borzoi are much bulkier and hairier than the originals, of which there were some in that video pack.

If you didn’t watch closely, you’d think they were Greys or Lurchers because they lack the heavy feathering of today’s Borzoi.

I was thrilled to find such an old video of them.

Had no idea such things even existed.


124 posted on 03/09/2014 6:43:51 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Chode

Yup, still got it.

Going outside every day now to see if the trees have buds, which birds have returned, etc because I’m *going crazy* waiting for warm weather.

[first 70 degree day we have, I’ll *carry* the bike across all the mud, if I have to]

;D


125 posted on 03/09/2014 6:45:49 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Redcitizen
:D


126 posted on 03/09/2014 6:47:52 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: TigersEye
Borzoi of yesteryear

Notice how they did not really have the typical "Roman nose" of modern dogs?

They were much less pointy, then...:)

127 posted on 03/09/2014 6:52:28 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Salamander
i believe you would... 8^)
128 posted on 03/09/2014 6:54:04 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Salamander

one for bob. ;)

129 posted on 03/09/2014 6:54:52 PM PDT by Redcitizen (When a zombie apocalypse starts, Chuck Norris doesn't try to survive. The zombies do.)
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To: Salamander
I'm glad you mentioned the video again. Somehow I completely missed that post. I saw the Borzois in there. Wow! they are fast. No fear either. I guess they had the advantage.

Neighbor Guy's dogs look a lot like this one body wise.


130 posted on 03/09/2014 7:00:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Grampa Dave

really good video...

Thanks for posting the link.


131 posted on 03/09/2014 7:16:02 PM PDT by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: ThomasThomas

Said in true ThomasThomas fashion lol!


132 posted on 03/09/2014 7:17:19 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Make sure she doesnÂ’t get ahold of the gom jabbar)
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To: Roses0508

Well also the red wolves are not that large. About 85 lbs I think so you could actually see a regular wolf up there. My sister and brother in law lived outside of Waynesville for a few years and they actually had a grey wolf waltz through their yard. It was larger than their Great Pyranees which is about 100 lbs. She also said she saw a red wolf once running along the road as she was driving. They lived way out in Feinnes Creek in the boonies.


133 posted on 03/09/2014 8:02:53 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: steve86

I live in a rural area that has some strange people, so I’m sure there are two legged predators to be careful of on the hiking trails-I’ve only come across fellow hikers, fortunately.

There are seasonal residents in the RV parks and cabins here-snow birds who winter here, mostly-they are not careful to keep their pets confined, and I’m sure it does contribute to cross breeding-most of the cats and dogs the local shelter adopts out were lost in RV parks-one of my 3 cats is an RV refugee.

There has never been a cougar attack anywhere near here-they are content to eat what nature provides, and the occasional loose pet-I see tracks sometimes, but I’ve never seen the cat that made them. The animal I fear an encounter with most is a wild/feral hog-they are all over the place, very aggressive, and they can kill you.


134 posted on 03/09/2014 8:45:55 PM PDT by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Salamander

I forget the breed of the cat in the picture, but I think they are pretty safe...

What in the hell do they call a Dobe/Poodle cross-a doodle? A poodobe? What an awful idea-poor dogs.


135 posted on 03/09/2014 8:58:58 PM PDT by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

A Doberdoodle.

Ugh.

The cat looks really cool but having normal size cats scratch is enough, thanks.

;)


136 posted on 03/09/2014 9:15:20 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Chode

It’s getting that bad.

LOL


137 posted on 03/09/2014 9:16:07 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Redcitizen

Ha ha!

You have a great memory.

:)


138 posted on 03/09/2014 9:17:23 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: TigersEye

They are such serene, dignified, beautiful, elegant dogs that some would never imagine what incredibly efficient killers they are.

That’s how they end up in shelters, too.

People not doing their homework, as it were.

I like your neighbor.

:)


139 posted on 03/09/2014 9:20:29 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Salamander
They are such serene, dignified, beautiful, elegant dogs...

Yes, they are ... until they start playing with each other and they look like total dogtard doofuses. LOL

They really like to play.

I would not have guessed they were wolf hunting dogs or efficient killers. Having never seen one before they looked a little fragile to me. Clearly not the case.

140 posted on 03/09/2014 9:34:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Texan5

The Bengal cat was created by crossing domestic and small wild cats. It works slightly better in the feline world, but generally I agree with you.


141 posted on 03/09/2014 9:37:43 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Texan5

Might be a serval.


142 posted on 03/09/2014 9:43:09 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: TigersEye

Nope, not fragile....:)

Some dope on YouTube a has video praising two Borzois’ pack behavior towards his Dobe.

He was lucky they were tolerant dogs.

Hell if I’d let two of ‘em “play” with mine.

It’s wise to know limitations.

All sight hounds play like dorks.

I think some of it might be from their extreme spinal flexibility.

If you can move like you’re made of rubber bands, you probably will.

;)


143 posted on 03/09/2014 10:00:44 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Texan5; crazycatlady; Salamander

“I forget the breed of the cat in the picture, but I think they are pretty safe...”

Savannah cat.


144 posted on 03/09/2014 10:07:38 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Salamander
ROTFL That is such an accurate description of what they look like. I think the oldest is a male and he displays the most dignity and reserve. Pretty sure the next oldest is a female and the third is only a year old IIRC. Just as big as the other two but definitely acts puppyish. Once he gets the female going the old guy can't resist for long and then all three have a riot going after each other taking turns as "it."

They've been enjoying all the snow we've had this year too. Most dogs seem to think snow is a blast but I guess a Russian wolf hound might look at it as a necessity. ;-) ha

145 posted on 03/09/2014 10:17:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

There’s nothing quite like watching sight hounds play.

I’m at a loss with only one, now

She and the PPM play a little I but the Dobes don’t speak her body language and she’s not much on playing with them.

I think I’ll dig up my old videos and watch my bouncy pack for a bit.

:]


146 posted on 03/09/2014 10:21:41 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: muir_redwoods
cars don’t get lost, they get eaten.

They eat CARS too? Damn!

147 posted on 03/09/2014 10:47:50 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Salamander
"Under the spreading chestnut tree
The village smithy stands.
And everybody knows his arms
are strong as rubber bands."

- Bullwinkle J. Moose

148 posted on 03/10/2014 12:07:37 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

*blink*
*blink*

Um....’k....;]


149 posted on 03/10/2014 12:20:01 AM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Salamander
In response to your comment:

"If you can move like you’re made of rubber bands, you probably will."

150 posted on 03/10/2014 12:27:08 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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