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"True Detective" Finale: Your Thoughts
Self | March 9, 2014 | PJ-Comix

Posted on 03/09/2014 7:29:15 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

What are your thoughts on the final episode? I found the manhunt through Carcosa to be over the top INTENSE!!! I couldn't even sit through it. I had to stand and pace a bit with a lot of fidgeting.

Also of great interest was Rust Kohle's new attitude when he had what could be called a near death experience and sensed the presence of his daughter.


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: truedetective
So what did you think? Yeah, a lot of people are probably disappointed that it didn't involve some convoluted conspiracy (some even claimed earlier that Marty was the Yellow King) but I was well satisfied with it.
1 posted on 03/09/2014 7:29:15 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix

OK, just “binged” on this show...and have NO IDEA what happened.
Will read this thread intently to find out if you guys figured it out and can explain it.
Really loved MMc in this though....


2 posted on 03/09/2014 7:32:49 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: PJ-Comix

Well, I am slightly disappointed that they showed so many little pointers to the elder daughter being involved, but I think the episode was good, and I was really glad that they both walked away! I am not a Woody Harrellson fan, but he didn’t annoy me in this show.


3 posted on 03/09/2014 7:36:38 PM PDT by Rutabega (If you don't want me in your personal affairs, don't stick your hand out for my help.)
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To: PJ-Comix

I am confused. They showed the same episode from last week and said the next episode on the website is the final episode. What happened?


4 posted on 03/09/2014 7:38:27 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

Huh? Were you watching it on HBO? I did read their were problems watching it online because of overload.


5 posted on 03/09/2014 7:40:25 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (ObamaCare unsubsidized PAID Enrollment Prediction: 66,666)
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To: PJ-Comix

Who was the guy chained to the bed, and how did they figure out the clue about the green paint?


6 posted on 03/09/2014 7:42:05 PM PDT by COUNTrecount (There's no there there.)
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To: freekitty

I thought HBO go showed it early in the morning and thereafter, after the show runs at 9 PM west coast.


7 posted on 03/09/2014 7:42:33 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: PJ-Comix

Well, my spouse said and I quote, “THAT was better than The Shield!”

High praise indeed. Nothing has ever been “better than The Shield.”


8 posted on 03/09/2014 7:47:34 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: PJ-Comix

How many episodes are there in total? The show has only gone to Episode 5 here in Indonesia.


9 posted on 03/09/2014 7:58:51 PM PDT by punchamullah
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To: PJ-Comix

Could someone please tell what the last line said by Rust was. I couldn’t understand him, even though I rewound it several times.


10 posted on 03/09/2014 8:05:43 PM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: PJ-Comix

It was over-the-top intense all right! Also it creeped me out! I like the spiritual experience part. I’ve had lots of ‘em myself.


11 posted on 03/09/2014 8:15:48 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: COUNTrecount

They guy on the bed was the father of the nutcase with scars on his face.


12 posted on 03/09/2014 8:17:41 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: PJ-Comix

If they delete the expletives it’ll be only half as long.


13 posted on 03/09/2014 8:19:14 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: PJ-Comix

True detective was a great show episode 1-7 (granted 7 lost a little steam) but as to the finale, All I can say is

ARRRRGH WTF?

Is there any way they could apologize for this terrible ending, take it back, and replace it with a good one?

‘cause this one friggen SUCKED!


14 posted on 03/09/2014 8:42:34 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: PJ-Comix

I really liked the characters and their relationship of disliking each other but respecting each others abilities. But In the end it turned into “I love you man” buddy picture sillyness.

Also the killer had green paint on his head, that was the break in the case? seesh . lots on the web thought since he mowed lawns it was green earphones to deal with the noise. A far better explanation.

Also at the end of ep 7 we knew he was at least in on it. So why not embellish that some. Hmm but no, the writer just tells us more of what we already know.

Also So many unanswered questions—
Who were the other conspirators from the murder ritual video (they showed 5 in masks who the heck were they?)
Why did they make it look like Marty Hart’s daughter was abused by the cult (is it a cult now, or just one guy?) but never explained anything about it?
Why were two bodies displayed for the world to see but the rest were hidden away?
And what’s with all the carcosa, yellow king lore?

Granted they didn’t have to explain everything but they could have explained SOMETHING!

DIS-A-FRIGGING-POINTING


15 posted on 03/09/2014 8:58:46 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: PJ-Comix

I feel like Obama wrote the ending

total and complete failure


16 posted on 03/09/2014 9:02:11 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: PJ-Comix

Loved it, a good ending, not needlessly sad.

But, of course the very final line was almost unintelligible (like the final line of “The Name of the Rose” being in latin).

Can anyone say what he said?

Also, final song, anyone know what that was?

This was a great show, I’m seriously sad it is over.


17 posted on 03/09/2014 9:15:16 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: PJ-Comix

I binged watched it last week, well I planned to but gave up after about three episodes. I heard it was compelling,but that is not the word I’d use to describe it. Snooze fest. Give me another House of Cards, Downton Abbey, The Americans, Mad Men....Everybody Loves Raymond....True Detectives? I
‘ll pass.


18 posted on 03/09/2014 9:15:38 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: safeasthebanks

something like “maybe the light is winning over the black”...


19 posted on 03/09/2014 9:53:35 PM PDT by bitt (If Obama is really worried about “the children”, he should be bombing planned parenthood.)
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To: COUNTrecount

guy chained to bed was the killer’s father.

green house? one of the kids who got away said the guy had green spaghetti face and green ears. Marty remembered a bright green house where they’d done some interrogations and tracked the lady down in the nursing home asking who painted the house.. she said the painter was very scarred...and they found the painter’s name thru business and tax info...voila! they found Childress the killer.


20 posted on 03/09/2014 9:56:54 PM PDT by bitt (If Obama is really worried about “the children”, he should be bombing planned parenthood.)
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To: PJ-Comix

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1723798/true-detective-finale.jhtml

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/true-detective-season-finale-darkness-yeah-uh-030200549.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/allenstjohn/2014/03/09/six-things-to-watch-for-in-the-true-detective-finale/

http://www.sfgate.com/technology/heavy/article/True-Detective-Finale-Causes-HBO-Go-Crash-5302413.php


21 posted on 03/09/2014 9:59:01 PM PDT by bitt (If Obama is really worried about “the children”, he should be bombing planned parenthood.)
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To: bitt

“Once there was only dark but if you ask me, the light’s winning.”

(internet consensus)


22 posted on 03/09/2014 10:09:30 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: punchamullah

“How many episodes are there in total?”

8 I think.


23 posted on 03/09/2014 10:28:17 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: PJ-Comix

I am watching it now and hope this is not the end.

Too many unanswered questions.


24 posted on 03/09/2014 11:40:54 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: jocon307

It was “The Angry River” by The Hat, Father John Misty & S.I. Istwa. It’s available on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/angry-river-feat.-father-john/id836745989?i=836746005


25 posted on 03/09/2014 11:59:26 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: PJ-Comix

So here we are with what was a very good show for 7 episodes.

7 episodes that talked of a broad murder conspiracy involving an esteemed patriarch, a sheriff, various rich men, a major pastor. A conspiracy so big that it, by all sorts of hints given in the show, even got to Marty Hart’s daughter. And it was plausible.

But all we’re left with in episode 8 is a retarded fat hillbilly who everybody knew was in on at the end of the last episode.

Not only that but tons and tons of unanswered questions (like who were the masked men from the videotape? what is all this yellow king stuff? why were two victims displayed for the world to see but the rest were hidden away)

How can people be satisfied with an ending like that?

Sheesh, no wonder we’re living in the age of obama.


26 posted on 03/10/2014 12:54:41 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: razorback-bert

Thanks! I don’t know why they don’t have music credits on some of these TV shows that have such great music.


27 posted on 03/10/2014 3:08:19 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: PJ-Comix

Less than advertised.


28 posted on 03/10/2014 3:16:19 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: safeasthebanks
Rust: "I tell you, Marty, I've been up in that room, looking out those windows every night here, and just thinking... It's just one story. The oldest."

Marty: "What's that?"

Rust: "Light vs. dark."

Marty: (looking up at the night sky) "Well, I know we ain't in Alaska, but...it appears to me that the dark has a lot more territory."

Rust: "Yeah. You're right about that. Hey, listen, hey."

Marty: "Yeah. What?"

Rust: "Why don't you point me in the direction of that car, man. I've spent enough of my f---in' life in hospitals."

Marty: "Jesus. You know what? I'd protest, but it occurs to me that you're unkillable. You want to go back and get your clothes or anything?"

Rust: "No. Anything I left back there I don't need. You know...you're looking at it wrong...that sky thing."

Marty: "How's that?"

Rust: "Well once there was only dark. If you ask me, the light's winning."

29 posted on 03/10/2014 3:33:12 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: Cubs Fan

>>what is all this yellow king stuff?<<

The elder Childress - Errol’s father, and the leader of the cult. “Him that eats time” as the black caretaker said last week. His cult carries on despite him being dead. “Time is a flat circle” - it’ll just keep going around and around, since the cult is still active and the corruption goes far and wide in high circles of office/influence.

>>why were two victims displayed for the world to see but the rest were hidden away<<

Because Erroll is crazy. He ‘broke bad’ from the cult by killing and displaying Dora Lange’s body, which launched the initial investigation. The Tuttle’s tried their best to put the toothpaste back in the tube, but it was too late. Billy Lee, I’m guess, kept Erroll on a short leash after that point. Once Billy Lee died, Erroll was left to his own devices again and that’s what lead to the latest killing being out in the open again.


30 posted on 03/10/2014 5:42:30 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Scheming demons dressed in kingly guise, beating down the multitudes and scoffing at the wise.")
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To: bitt

Thanks!

The ending was very disappointing. The newscaster on the television in the hospital room said that the murders did not implicate the governor (or his family), which we know is not true. Cover up!

I thought that Marty had told the detective that he gave the evidence to that he must see that the case must go to where the evidence was pointing.

Marty and Rust would never let a cover up happen,so the last line by Rust (Rust: “Well once there was only dark. If you ask me, the light’s winning.” ) is something he/they would never believe.


31 posted on 03/10/2014 5:44:01 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (There's no there there.)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Well, THAT explains it!
Thanks
I knew someone on FR would come through....


32 posted on 03/10/2014 6:39:40 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Cubs Fan

Let me correct that - the Yellow King was Sam Tuttle - Errol’s grandfather, not Ted Childress, Errol’s father.

I’m not that disappointed with the ending. I think the meat of the show was the main characters, and the dynamic between them. How they evolved and changed over time. The crime just being a backdrop. I think the audience built it up as a crime-solver show, not simply as a show about two detectives.


33 posted on 03/10/2014 9:09:13 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Scheming demons dressed in kingly guise, beating down the multitudes and scoffing at the wise.")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
I’m not that disappointed with the ending. I think the meat of the show was the main characters, and the dynamic between them. How they evolved and changed over time. The crime just being a backdrop. I think the audience built it up as a crime-solver show, not simply as a show about two detectives.

I thought it could have been and should have been both.

As far as their relationship--Throughout the show I got the feeling Cohle and Hart were so opposite that they could never be friends as partners nor of course outside of their partnership. But the case is what bound them and held their reluctant relationship together. and that despite not liking each other personally they had a mutual respect for each other's abilities as detectives that grew as they solved the case.

Instead the end made it feel like it was just an odd couple buddy picture with hart sentimentally patting a crying cohle on the shoulder (really cohle crying?) halfway expecting him to say tearfully "I love you man" and "there there little fella". Way too sentimental an ending IMO for what otherwise was a brilliantly dark and creepy, think-outside-the-box series.

34 posted on 03/10/2014 10:18:23 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: Cubs Fan

The guy had been a tightly-wound spring for nearly two decades, insitgated by the death of his daughter. Going through a near-death experience, wherein he felt her presence, would change anyone’s perspective of things. I thought he was entitled to a break-down.


35 posted on 03/10/2014 10:27:32 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Scheming demons dressed in kingly guise, beating down the multitudes and scoffing at the wise.")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
The yellow king is The elder Tuttle, Sam tuttle - Errol’s grandfather, and the leader of the cult. “Him that eats time” as the black caretaker said last week. His cult carries on despite him being dead. “Time is a flat circle” - it’ll just keep going around and around, since the cult is still active and the corruption goes far and wide in high circles of office/influence.

Well the rest of the cult (are they the rest of the cult we're never really told that, we can only guess) seems to have died (probably-sam tuttle, the ledouxs, Sheriff ted childress, rev eddie tuttle and or moved on like the senator (and are they really the rest of it? ) so I dont think its still active and all that's left is a retarded big fat hillbilly who likes killing.

BUT I would have been okay with that had there been just a little something, almost anything, explaining that that is what happened or at least reminding us that it is the case. Maybe a photograph of these people after a deer hunt or something like that with cohle and hart figuring out who they were. Something, anything, not a just dead air and a "you figure it out"

the two victims were displayed for the world to see Because Erroll is crazy. He ‘broke bad’ from the cult by killing and displaying Dora Lange’s body, which launched the initial investigation. The Tuttle’s tried their best to put the toothpaste back in the tube, but it was too late. Billy Lee, I’m guessing, kept Erroll on a short leash after that point. Once Billy Lee died, Erroll was left to his own devices again and that’s what lead to the latest killing being out in the open again.

I like that explanation a lot and its very similar to what I theorized as to what might have happened. But again. Could they have just put something in at the end, again, anything, to confirm and remind us, even hint at that? It would have made it so much more satisfying IMO.

36 posted on 03/10/2014 10:44:01 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: Cubs Fan

For what it’s worth.

I think I nailed the final episode:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3130088/posts?page=85#85

From my perspective, the series is ALL ABOUT COHLE and more importantly, what Cohle believes. The murders/abuse/drugs/violence/degradation/conspiracy etc, are all contributing factors that have formed his belief system. A system of belief that has it’s roots in the death of his child. I’m not suggesting that Cohle will be going on the road with the Preacher, but if he is forced to accept “Satan” as a real force, then he must also accept God.

IMHO, this is what the final episode will be about.


37 posted on 03/10/2014 10:59:08 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
The guy had been a tightly-wound spring for nearly two decades, insitgated by the death of his daughter. Going through a near-death experience, wherein he felt her presence, would change anyone’s perspective of things. I thought he was entitled to a break-down.

A better ending would have been having cohle die on the floor of the sacrificial chamber, but perhaps relating something to marty about seeing his daughter.

that would have been hopeful, and have the same character transformation, but still would have been dark and original and consistent with the rest of the series. Instead we were left with all too typical maudlin sentimentality.

the show Breaking bad, while entirely different subject matter, is a show that TD is often compared with. And BB had a very satisfying ending, that was much much better by comparison.

38 posted on 03/10/2014 11:00:19 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: Cubs Fan

In the hospital, when Harrelson visits Kohle, Kohle points out that they didn’t get them all, which alludes to more storyline, perhaps.

The connection to the Senator is still up in the air too.

In all, a good, terrifying ending.


39 posted on 03/10/2014 11:31:23 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Zeneta

For what it’s worth.

I think I nailed the final episode:

granted the method of how it came about was different. But I think you deserve full credit for predicting his transformation.

I thought the transformation was one of the few bright spots in an otherwise poor ending (although it was handled clumsily see next post.)


40 posted on 03/10/2014 12:01:02 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: Cubs Fan

Thanks,

I tend to agree with you about the way the ending was handled.

The main reason I came to that conclusion was the fact that the series had left way to many loose ends for them to be resolved in an hour long final show.

They easily could have added 4 or 5 more episodes to address those loose ends.


41 posted on 03/10/2014 12:10:51 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: All

I thought part of the ending was good—

Cohle’s transformation from cynical nihilist to someone well, at least open minded to the idea that we aren’t just meatpuppets randomly sprinkled here for no reason was good (although clumsy in depiction it would have been better if cohle had died on the floor of the sacrificial chamber, but before doing so telling marty about his daughter—a dark but hopeful ending, instead we got, well, see below)

I also thought the visit from hart’s family in the hospital was good. The camera pans to a shot of hart’s ex wife wearing a wedding ring. She cares about Marty, but they’re never going to be a couple again. This is consistent with the story.

I also thought the fortress and tunnels with bodies and clothes strewn about were very creepy, and consistent with the mood of the burnt out church and the abandoned school, nicely done.

But that’s where the good stuff ends.

Okay, It’s episode 8 of a drama about a satanic cult that murders and sexually abuses women and children. Yikes, it doesn’t get any darker than that. AND the POSSIBLE perpetrators are men of very high standing-a rich patriarch and father to a senator and famous well-to-do evangelist and of course these sons along with a sheriff. Wow, sounds like the makings of an Epic mystery. I wonder who the big baddie is (or baddies are?)

Roll finale—In walks Jethro, er Errol. Erroll Clampet...uh I mean childress. He’s a big fat retarded hillbilly who throws frying pans at his poor dog (one of ellie may’s critters perhaps?) and has sex with his sister. Okay, did I just accidentally change the station to “here come honey boo boo.” Cause I thought I was watching true detective. Where’s the satanic cult, where’s the conspirators? Nope not in this episode. Epic mystery 1 thru 7—episode 8 epic fail.

Another thing about the show that was cool for episode 1 thru 6 and sort of 7, was the dynamic of the two detectives. They’re completely different in nearly every way, with no chance of every becoming friends outside of their partnership, but they seem to have a grudging respect for each other’s abilities. Here comes episode 8. That’s over now. Welcome to marty and rusts odd-couple slash buddy picture. It comes Complete with enough syrupy sentimentality to send people into an instant diabetic coma. the final scene—marty pats cohle’s shoulder, “there there little’ fella” says marty. Cohle turns to hart and says through tears “I love you man”. Hart sobs back “I love you too rust”. Aww, big hug??? No Big fail.

Also what about all those pesky unanswered questions? like audrey hart’s apparent victimization by the cult. Nope, sorry if you were looking for answers, too bad. There are none here.

conclusion-episode 1 through 7 great stuff. episode 8, except for a short list of bright spots, massively disappointing.


42 posted on 03/10/2014 12:42:18 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: Zeneta
Thanks, I tend to agree with you about the way the ending was handled. The main reason I came to that conclusion was the fact that the series had left way to many loose ends for them to be resolved in an hour long final show. They easily could have added 4 or 5 more episodes to address those loose ends.

Yeah My hope is that maybe someone will adapt the show into a book that answers the questions and thereby creates a better ending. Probably won't happen, but maybe.

43 posted on 03/10/2014 1:08:12 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: Cubs Fan

I get what you’re saying - but I think it comes down to expectations. I didn’t have an expectation of every loose end being wrapped up neatly, because the point of the 8-part story was the lives/personalities/relationships of the detectives, not the crime itself. The crime/conspiracy/cult was just the vehicle that served as a backdrop to the transformation of these men.

If you went into the show with the expectation of it being an Agatha Cristie murder mystery, then yes, I can see frustration over how it ended. But to me, that wasn’t the point of the show. We’re not meant to have every answer, because they weren’t questions that were meant to be asked in the first place.

I didn’t see Errol as a retarded hillbilly - I saw him as a deeply disturbed person who had a connection with true evil. He wasn’t stupid. He’d eluded discovery and capture for over 20 years.

WRT Audrey and the potential story line of her abuse (I’ll admit I thought she saw some of the cult’s actions and was stained by it) - I think Hart summed it up nicely early on in the show when he said his greatest sin as a father was being inattentive. The answer/solution to his problems were right under his nose the whole time.

I thought Rust and Hart’s interaction at the hospital was typical of their relationship. Even at the very end when Rust broke down. He experienced something that touched him greatly - it was a profound moment in his life. Having lost a child myself, I completely empathized with that scene.


44 posted on 03/11/2014 4:56:26 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Scheming demons dressed in kingly guise, beating down the multitudes and scoffing at the wise.")
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