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The Evil within Church leaders/ ministers, "reverends", etc. Short video!
YouTube ^ | 3/10/14 | fabian

Posted on 03/09/2014 7:30:57 PM PDT by fabian

We have a huge problem with ministers of most churches learning intellectually, the bible and the truth, then repeating it to their followers. This is a false and weak representation of God and the very reason we are losing our nation and world!


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This is a huge problem and I am tired of weak ministers falsely representing what the spirit of God is all about.
1 posted on 03/09/2014 7:30:57 PM PDT by fabian
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To: tedw; abigail2; rebuildus; Bob J

here you are..take a listen please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2QylEHLjhM


2 posted on 03/09/2014 7:33:01 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: a fool in paradise; Sarah Barracuda; Revolting cat!

For your edification...


3 posted on 03/09/2014 7:34:07 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

God is not an intellectual discussion. He is your faith, heart and soul.


4 posted on 03/09/2014 7:36:34 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

Yes...the intellectualization of the bible and God is a big big downfall.


5 posted on 03/09/2014 7:39:42 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

A cult, similar to scientology. Interesting link to wnd.com

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2006/wndmasters.html


6 posted on 03/09/2014 7:40:00 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: stinkerpot65

not at all a cult..I know Roy and he is the furthest thing from a cult that you will find in a church. Actually, many churches are cult like in their mantra of religious singing and emotionalization in that...replacing the real holy spirit with a facsimile feeling of it.


7 posted on 03/09/2014 8:01:12 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

Weak preaching and relying on feelings not facts and not looking at the Bible intellectually is causing the downfall. It also leads to nominal Christians being sucked into cults.


8 posted on 03/09/2014 8:07:42 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: freekitty

If you cannot debate your faith and defend it intellectually, then you are a target for cults.


9 posted on 03/09/2014 8:08:38 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: stinkerpot65

I will have to do more research (I have a cult recovery ministry) but according to that article, this group needs to be looked at more closely before I make a determination.


10 posted on 03/09/2014 8:10:23 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: fabian

Something about in the last days if they were not shortened even the elect would fall away. The cooperate church lost its way long ago when it turned its back on Torah and the Feasts of the Lord. If you do not know were you come from you have no ideal were you are going. A old Scottish teacher of the Word told me long ago, we will be surprised who in heaven and who is not.


11 posted on 03/09/2014 8:14:18 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: fabian

This person says that teaching Jesus is God is a problem. Doesn’t believe in Holy Trinity?


12 posted on 03/09/2014 8:29:10 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: reaganaut

sorry..the holy spirit gives understanding in a magical way. It Is NoT and intellectual experience. Big mistake!


13 posted on 03/09/2014 8:33:41 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
Broadcast 2/28/14:
Dave Schrader; host
Bob Cranmer; guest, author of The Demon of Brownsville Road
Michael in Los Angeles; caller

D: West of the Rockies, Michael in Los Angeles

M: Thank you for taking my call, Bob?

B: Yes, sir.

M: You're a Catholic now, correct?

B: Yes.

M: And you've were confirmed, sacrament of confirmation?

B: I was Confirmed, yes.

M: Good, that's why you can do exorcisms. I'm a Roman Catholic and I'm an exorcist, from '84 to '90 a colleague of mine and a priest who was a personal friend of John Paul II did research we found out that Catholic laymen who had the Sacrament of Confirmation can do exoticisms on any person, place, thing or situation from anywhere at any time of their choosing.

I've had eight Bishops face to face tell me that I am absolutely correct. They don't want, they will not teach it to laymen. When asked why they said “We don't want the laymen to know they have this tremendous authority and power.” It is your God given right to know that and you can do exorcisms on your children and on the situation and it's gonna lighten up for you, and I will help you.

I just finished not to long ago a seven year exorcism, it was very difficult, it was on a man who was the son of a Costa Nostra Godfather. It was a little bit difficult. Got him turned around and when he passed away he passed away as a Roman Catholic.

D: Michael, let me ask really quickly if I may, you're an exorcist, are you a lay exorcist, or are you...
M: Yes

D: … a Priest?

D: So, a lay exorcist

M: They don't want you to, in other words, the Pope knows the Cardinals know the Bishops know, Priests don't know, they want to keep the layman ignorant of of the fact that the Sacrament of Confirmation is where get the authority and power and that the fact is that you can do exorcisms, incidentally, they hid this knowledge one thousand seven hundred and ninety-four years ago, this year. We found out in 1990 and have been applying it ever since.

I've used it against some very serious politicians, etc. and told them that they were going to lose their next election if they didn't do what God wanted, they chose not to and they lost their next election.

You can use it, it's to be ubiquitous, as much of it as there is prayer there should be exorcism.

D: Michael, wouldn't that actually help people convert to Catholicism? Why would they hide something like that if indeed it empowered you to have the ability to protect yourself from the others especially when the church for many years has not been prepared to deal with exorcisms there wasn't nearly enough exorcists to deal with the onslaught of claims in doing this you would think instead of hiding it they would promote the fact that this is why you should be a Catholic and this how you can protect yourself and you can help in these cases. Why the conspiracy of hiding it in your opinion?

M: I know what it is. Satan and his demons had to do a lot of work to get that concealed and as soon as they concealed it they went after the married priesthood, you see the married priesthood was extensive, in the four hundreds, we had two popes that were married, in the five hundreds it was the last one who was married.

After that they hid that knowledge they wanted to go after the married priesthood because if it was just the celibate priesthood they knew what could happen, they knew the evils that would creep into the church, an in the ten hundreds St Peter Damien talked about all the sodomy that was going on in the church and the monasteries and in the convents and all that.

The reason that they didn't want us to know is because when we spotted the evil we could drive it out ourselves.

I've put a couple priests out myself. I would go to Mass and do an exorcisms about their Mass and they would just leave after about six months.

We laymen with the power and knowledge of exorcism can take care of any of the evils within the Church.
Right now I'm trying to get in touch with the Ukrainian Bishop to call on him to teach exorcism to the Ukrainian people so they can drive the Russians right out of their country by simply doing exorcisms.

Because you are supposed to be able, and I have used it on any person, place, thing or situation from anywhere, at any time of my choosing, just remembering that it's more powerful the closer you are to the object of the exorcism, but you can do it from the other side of the world, and when you get a lot of...

D: But how do you do it from the other side of the world when you had to deal with an up-close exorcism that took you seven years? If you're doing it from the other side of the world how do you factor in the fact of how long that's going to take?

M: When I did the exorcism of seven years he was in San Francisco or in New York or wherever he was and I was in LA.

D: So it was because of the distance that you feel was really keeping you from being successful?

M: Well that was part of the problem but it was a tough exor-, this guy was the son of a Godfather, do you understand what that means?

D: I do.

M: What he had done in his life? wow. What I'm saying is that God has made it available to us now, to return this knowledge to us, and that Bishops have to admit it when you ask that question because if they didn't admit it they would be denying the Holy Spirit, they're not going to do that, there's a difference between concealing something and denying it. So I was face-to-face with these fellows they all had to say “Yes.”.

D: Michael, thank you, we have to go to a break, thank you very much for weighing in and showing us different aspect and a different insight. I appreciate that. Bob? You've worked in the world of politics for many years and have dealt with that, how many politicians do you know that could probably use a good exorcism?

B: [laughs] I guess we could talk about that at length.

D: Is there enough Holy water to scrub the evil out?

B: In Washington DC right now I think there are plenty of candidates there, I say tongue in cheek. Real quick I did learn a lot through this [his own haunted house experience] I'm certainly not looking to have any career in exorcism or ghostbuster, if it's my choice I don't have to deal with this again, I probably will as I have in the past but it would be my choice that this all would become a chapter in my life I'm certainty not looking for a career as an exorcist.
I just transcribed it last night, still need to check the accuracy of Michael's assertions, and formulate an action plan based on them.

I note the host cut him off just as he was (I believe) getting ready to say that when you get a lot of lay people concentrating on the same exorcism it offsets the distance disadvantage. And the host also misrepresented the exorcism at a distance of the godfather's son as being unsuccessful, just because it wasn't instantaneous.

14 posted on 03/09/2014 8:33:55 PM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: Linda Frances

The Father is the Father...of us all...Jesus included. Jesus made that clear. Period.


15 posted on 03/09/2014 8:35:04 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

//the holy spirit gives understanding in a magical way. It Is NoT and intellectual experience. Big mistake!//

And comments like that are how people fall for cults. I fell for a cult too, but I was 16 and in love and not a Christian (see tagline). God gave us brains and expects us to use them. How do you test the spirits (your feelings) to know they are God or not? The bible never says we are to pray or feel truth but to STUDY to know truth.

The big mistake is trusting people like Roy Masters and not testing him and relying on feelings rather than facts.


16 posted on 03/09/2014 9:00:25 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: fabian; Linda Frances

So you do reject the Trinity?


17 posted on 03/09/2014 9:01:17 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: fabian

Yes, Jesus is Son of God, but his is also divine. The Trinity includes God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. That is what Christians believe. Are you Mormon?


18 posted on 03/09/2014 9:10:23 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: reaganaut

No I do not reject the Trinity. I believe in the Blessed Trinity.


19 posted on 03/09/2014 9:11:54 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances; fabian

That was directed at Fabian. I know you don’t reject the Trinity.


20 posted on 03/09/2014 9:24:59 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: Linda Frances

He isn’t Mormon either, but I have seen some ‘new light’ theology in groups like Master’s that do reject the Trinity.


21 posted on 03/09/2014 9:25:59 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: reaganaut

I am sorry...but you don’t have a clue the holy spirit works its magic. You would have called the new Christians after Pentecost, members of a cult because they were given magical knowledge from above, just as all real Christians do today.. You may wish to be, but right now you only have head knowledge of the truth and that does not save.


22 posted on 03/09/2014 9:43:31 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
works its magic.

More dopey Royianity. Keep it coming, the more exposure this gets the better.

23 posted on 03/10/2014 12:10:54 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

The holy spirit is magical! And real Christians receive him and express him just like it was on the first Pentecost. But you lost souls don’t really know about that...too busy believing in a cult like church that is all about a trinity doctrine and not real life! And of course their is a holy spirit, father, and son, but not in the way that the apostate church teaches and brainwashes you guys to believe


24 posted on 03/10/2014 1:34:09 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian; All

With all due respect, I am lead by the Holy Spirit daily. My eyes are open to the truth and I walk in the Spirit. If fact the Holy Spirit always cautions me that we must look to the word of God for truth and not any man. My pastor teaches us to never believe what any man says; always go to the word of God and confirm it. And do not allow anyone to twist Gods word. That is what satan did in the garden.


25 posted on 03/10/2014 5:24:31 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: null and void

A lay person who blithely does an exorcism is asking for trouble.

You can’t diagnose diabolic possession or even diabolic oppression (which is more common) and you can do a lot of harm “exorcizing” someone who is highly suggestible with a conversion reaction. And if you try it on a delusional paranoid schizophrenic, you could end up being attacked.

Exorcisms need “prayer and fasting” but they also need holiness, a sound mind, a loving heart, and humility.

As for not being a good preacher (which was the title of all of this), well, I know a lot of very good and holy priests who can’t preach a damn (excuse my language) and then there are great preachers who fall into pride and sin because everyone loves their way of preaching.


26 posted on 03/10/2014 5:32:33 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: fabian

Please keep talking, dance around in your magic show, it’s good stuff.


27 posted on 03/10/2014 8:30:01 AM PDT by xone
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To: Linda Frances

“always go to the word of God and confirm it”

wrong...the holy spirit wrote the new testament, and you need no confirmation for it within you...it IS THE confirmation within in a wordless way!


28 posted on 03/10/2014 8:50:00 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: LadyDoc
Nor would I expect anyone with no training or authority to do an exorcism.

It's just if what the caller says is true, and anyone who has had the Sacrament of Confirmation has the God-given authority, then The Church has the potential to swiftly raise an army of real spiritual warriors against the demonic forces so manifestly in charge of so many of our leaders.

Could there be so few as 50 righteous people within the lay Catholics to go 50:1 on a demon influencing a single politician?

Or would you cast your Lot that we passively go the way of Sodom?

29 posted on 03/10/2014 8:50:51 AM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: xone

You did not address my valid points...oh well.


30 posted on 03/10/2014 8:51:26 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
valid points.

Magic? Yeah, that's really valid, I apologize for disputing your and Roy's magic. I'll round up the magic beans, have hymns accompanied by the magic flute, use our wands and voodoo dolls, while watching the Harry Potter films in the Great Hall at Hogwarts.

31 posted on 03/10/2014 9:06:09 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

my points are valid...especially about Pentecost, but you are caught up in judging me and Roy. What a great example of a christian! Not!


32 posted on 03/10/2014 9:09:52 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
but you are caught up in judging me and Roy.

God's Word has already judged you. Pointing that out isn't a personal judgement of my own, yet I agree with it.

33 posted on 03/10/2014 9:15:10 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

You have not shown that at all...and I made a very valuable point that the Christians in the first Pentecost were blessed , yes, magically, you connote evil to that word, but you don’t see that it truly is miraculous..magical...that people even of today...are blessed with in filled understanding without the need to “verify” truth by the bible...after all, it is the holy spirit that wrote that bible! Sadly, people like you have a fake version of salvation, the very topic of my post. Do you really think that the disciples carried around a book to refer to all the time, like you guys do? They did not need to! Any neither should we. Of course they did not have it then, but the point still remains, was totally unnecessary!


34 posted on 03/10/2014 9:22:56 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian; All

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


35 posted on 03/10/2014 9:25:17 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances

that is correct...including about the spirit of false Christianity..the spirit of apostasy which is rampant in the churches of today. Sadly.


36 posted on 03/10/2014 9:30:33 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

I wrote:
“always go to the word of God and confirm it”

You wrote:
wrong...the holy spirit wrote the new testament, and you need no confirmation for it within you...it IS THE confirmation within in a wordless way!


I trust the inspired word of God, but have seen MANY people who claim the Holy Spirit inspired them to....do...or say.....and their talk and actions do not reflect Gods word.

Again

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

ALL scripture. Does NOT say we are to trust people who say they have the magic of the Holy Spirit, we are to trust the inspired word of God. Evil people can say they have the Holy Spirits magic. Why do you call it magic?

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

I have seen personally people who claimed to be filled with the Holy Spirit and do evil things. That is why we trust Gods unchanging word and not imperfect people. We are ALL imperfect, Gods word is perfect.


37 posted on 03/10/2014 9:55:09 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: fabian
yes, magically, you connote evil to that word

Do a word search for 'magic' or 'magician' in the Bible, get back to me with any verses that laud the practice of it.

38 posted on 03/10/2014 9:57:00 AM PDT by xone
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To: fabian; All

I wrote:
“always go to the word of God and confirm it”

You wrote:
wrong...the holy spirit wrote the new testament, and you need no confirmation for it within you...it IS THE confirmation within in a wordless way!
I trust the inspired word of God, but have seen MANY people who claim the Holy Spirit inspired them to....do...or say.....and their talk and actions do not reflect Gods word.
Again

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

ALL scripture. Does NOT say we are to trust people who say they have the magic of the Holy Spirit, we are to trust the inspired word of God. Evil people can say they have the Holy Spirits magic. Why do you call it magic?

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

I have seen personally people who claimed to be filled with the Holy Spirit and do evil things. That is why we trust Gods unchanging word and not imperfect people. We are ALL imperfect, Gods word is perfect.


39 posted on 03/10/2014 10:27:16 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: xone

still..you avoid my most important point.


40 posted on 03/10/2014 10:27:32 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Linda Frances

Of course Satan uses religion to deceive the deceivable, but that does not mean that the real holy spirit is not to be relied upon. The problem is that the church as a whole, has failed in its responsibility to teach people to “be still and know.” And to pray unceasingly...both are in scripture. The root of prayer is..to examine oneself..examine...same as watch..see...there is a very silent prayer that is needed to come to God...and it is not attainable by learning the scriptures. Those texts are being misused by you and many...it is the holy inside agrees with scriptures...but IT is the teacher, comforter, NOT the scripture itself.


41 posted on 03/10/2014 10:49:21 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
This anti-christian 'Magic' pap being sold here has no point, important or not. It should be shunned, despised, ridiculed, given no more recognition than a witch doctor in the town square might.

Practitioners might as well have a bone through their nose and a pot of missionaries on the fire, for the black rank idolatry and deceit of Roy and his minions and acolytes are on par with the priests of Marduk and the prophets of Baal.

The spirit running this program is of such stench of death that he likely reports daily the toll of the fools who bought into this deception to Satan himself. Magic as the theology, Ouija board as scripture, necromancy as the hymnody, the putrefaction of death the incense. Claiming the names and words of God for itself, this modern version of the ancient degradation has nothing to do with God save for it being practiced in the regions of hell which He appointed for the damned.

42 posted on 03/10/2014 10:52:42 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

Oh boy..is all I can say. You are projecting all sorts of evil me and my post and you have no idea how I correct you are. Oh well.


43 posted on 03/10/2014 11:03:31 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: xone

Magic...having supernatural powers...wonderful, exciting.
Those are all part of definition of magic. They can easily be applied to the miracles of walking on water, raiding the dead, etc. Do me a favor, and stop calling Jesus satanic, because that is exactly what you have done.


44 posted on 03/10/2014 11:10:13 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

Fabian, I will pray for you because you are being deceived and do not know it. You apparently are a disciple of Masters, trying to indoctrinate people. We will rebuke and correct you and pray for you. If you continue to lead people into this false philosophy and don’t repent, God will hold you accountable.

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[Reuben Obermeister] came to America in 1949, at age 21, to lecture on diamonds. He legally changed his name to Roy Masters in 1954 (yet never acquired American citizenship) and eventually became a professional hypnotist claiming he could “save people by teaching them self-sufficiency meditative hypnosis.” The American Medical Association pressed charges against him for practicing medicine without a license. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail. He likens this “persecution” to the persecution Jesus suffered....
....In lieu of dependence on Jesus Christ for salvation, Masters teaches dependence on his meditation techniques. He teaches that mankind is inherently good, thus there is no need for salvation or a savior. All problems man encounters can be resolved through self effort. “No form of outer assistance can substitute for inner direction. Direction must come always from within. Moved by the spirit of intuition, we move without excitement, effort or strain. The more we exercise our dependency upon the Within, the stronger this relationship becomes, and we know it to be Grace,” (How To Keep Your Mind Well, p. 165, Foundation Press, 1971). Though he claims to have been saved by the blood of Christ, he states that “one of the biggest curses in Christendom is the false idea that Jesus is God”....

....Participants in his week-long seminars pay $1,200 and $50 for one-day seminars held across the country. Masters says he wants to be remembered in the same category as Moses, Jesus, the apostles, Buddha, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy.
— from the thread Roy Masters: Foundation of Human Understanding

Roy Masters and the Foundation of Human Understanding believe:

- The Bible is just words
- prayers with words aren’t true prayers
- you must pray in silence while constantly examining your thoughts and feelings (the Be Still exercise)
- you must do the Be Still exercise... It’s the fast track to salvation
- when you do it correctly, you become sinless
- Jesus Christ is not the divine Savior
- being saved means being a good person without expectation of any reward
- whoever disagrees is a false, phony Christian, a liar and apostate
- if everyone does what Roy Masters directs, we can save our country


45 posted on 03/10/2014 11:35:10 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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Fabian, I will pray for you because you are being deceived and do not know it. You apparently are a disciple of Masters, trying to indoctrinate people. We will rebuke and correct you and pray for you. If you continue to lead people into this false philosophy and don’t repent, God will hold you accountable.

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[Reuben Obermeister] came to America in 1949, at age 21, to lecture on diamonds. He legally changed his name to Roy Masters in 1954 (yet never acquired American citizenship) and eventually became a professional hypnotist claiming he could “save people by teaching them self-sufficiency meditative hypnosis.” The American Medical Association pressed charges against him for practicing medicine without a license. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail. He likens this “persecution” to the persecution Jesus suffered....
....In lieu of dependence on Jesus Christ for salvation, Masters teaches dependence on his meditation techniques. He teaches that mankind is inherently good, thus there is no need for salvation or a savior. All problems man encounters can be resolved through self effort. “No form of outer assistance can substitute for inner direction. Direction must come always from within. Moved by the spirit of intuition, we move without excitement, effort or strain. The more we exercise our dependency upon the Within, the stronger this relationship becomes, and we know it to be Grace,” (How To Keep Your Mind Well, p. 165, Foundation Press, 1971). Though he claims to have been saved by the blood of Christ, he states that “one of the biggest curses in Christendom is the false idea that Jesus is God”....

....Participants in his week-long seminars pay $1,200 and $50 for one-day seminars held across the country. Masters says he wants to be remembered in the same category as Moses, Jesus, the apostles, Buddha, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy.
— from the thread Roy Masters: Foundation of Human Understanding

Roy Masters and the Foundation of Human Understanding believe:

- The Bible is just words
- prayers with words aren’t true prayers
- you must pray in silence while constantly examining your thoughts and feelings (the Be Still exercise)
- you must do the Be Still exercise... It’s the fast track to salvation
- when you do it correctly, you become sinless
- Jesus Christ is not the divine Savior
- being saved means being a good person without expectation of any reward
- whoever disagrees is a false, phony Christian, a liar and apostate
- if everyone does what Roy Masters directs, we can save our country


46 posted on 03/10/2014 11:35:45 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: fabian; xone

Interesting back and forth debate.

Fabian’s tag line is a lyric from Led Zeppelin’s “Stairway to Heaven”.

Another line from that song:

“There’s a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
‘Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.”

Magic ?

Synonyms:

bewitchery, bewitchment, conjuring, devilry (or deviltry), diablerie, enchantment, ensorcellment, mojo, necromancy, sorcery, thaumaturgy, voodooism, witchcraft, witchery, wizardry

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magic

Nothing about “Miracles”.

And then we have former Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page releasing this.

Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page: “Lucifer Rising” and the stairway to hell.

http://www.examiner.com/article/led-zeppelin-s-jimmy-page-lucifer-rising-and-the-stairway-to-hell

To be fair, my tag line is from a Jim Morrison song. But I’ll defend Morrison’s lyrics as social commentary.


47 posted on 03/10/2014 11:37:04 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: fabian
Do me a favor, and stop calling Jesus satanic, because that is exactly what you have done.

Hardly, this pap has no 'real' Jesus in it. By your own admission it is anti-Trinitarian. So any 'Jesus' applied to it is a fake Christ and is opposed to the real One. That same method is used also by another well known spirit.

They can easily be applied to the miracles of walking on water, raiding the dead, etc

Of course it can, and has been. That is the way of the unbeliever. Nothing is new here, just like Marduk and Baal.

48 posted on 03/10/2014 11:41:37 AM PDT by xone
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To: fabian
You are projecting all sorts of evil me and my post and you have no idea how I correct you are.

Having a magic spell? The garbled speech of Babel. No projection just observation of Royanity and its eventual result.

49 posted on 03/10/2014 11:46:03 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

“wonderful,exciting...having supernatural powers.”
Isn’t it interesting how you pick the negative definition, and leave out the positive..which do indeed describe Jesus’s miracles. Most all words have multiple meanings. Pick your judgment..you only bring judgment onto yourself.


50 posted on 03/10/2014 12:23:34 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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