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U.S. Army Gets Big-Ass Old-School Gun (Recoilless Rifle)
War is Boring ^ | March 10, 2014 | Joe Trevithick

Posted on 03/10/2014 6:25:18 AM PDT by C19fan

According to Swedish defense contractor Saab, the U.S. Army is planning to issue recoilless rifles broadly to regular units for the first time in more than 30 years. The decision reflects the service’s combat experience in Afghanistan.

The ground combat branch had previously made a small purchase of recoilless rifles in 2012, but just for units in Afghanistan. All light infantry units may now receive them.

(Excerpt) Read more at medium.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: army; banglist; recoilless; weapons
Cheaper weapon system more suited for the type of fighting the Army is facing instead of fancy ATGMs more suited for defending the Fulda Gap.
1 posted on 03/10/2014 6:25:18 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2011/02/12/currahees-add-to-their-weapons-arsenal/


2 posted on 03/10/2014 6:28:53 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: C19fan
Also great at ski resorts to break up potential avalanche snow.
3 posted on 03/10/2014 6:29:05 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: C19fan

We’re talking “Bazooka” here, and not what I think of mounted on a JEEP, right?


4 posted on 03/10/2014 6:31:20 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: C19fan
Interesting that it (well, the 1st version) went into production very soon after the end of WW2.
5 posted on 03/10/2014 6:32:13 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: C19fan

I wonder how many Davy Crocketts we have in stock.


6 posted on 03/10/2014 6:32:47 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: C19fan
Fire and forget...
7 posted on 03/10/2014 6:35:06 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: C19fan

The Carl Gustav has been in the inventory for decades being used primarily by the Ranger Regiment, but now being fielded across the force. It’s relatively lightweight compared to other legacy recoiless rifles (90mm), highly effective, simple to operate and re-usable. It comes with a variety of munition types.


8 posted on 03/10/2014 6:36:59 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: C19fan


9 posted on 03/10/2014 6:37:06 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: C19fan

What was old is new.


10 posted on 03/10/2014 6:38:41 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: DBrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyd1EVGBqro

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Ontos


11 posted on 03/10/2014 6:38:58 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: C19fan

Under current conditions it might fare better than the old M18...which was a great way to give away your position when it was used in WWII.


12 posted on 03/10/2014 6:42:06 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: C19fan

U.S. Marines used them effectively in Hue, Vietnam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjXutT92BwM


13 posted on 03/10/2014 6:43:31 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: smokingfrog

That looks bigger than 60mm. Korea, I take it?


14 posted on 03/10/2014 6:45:55 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: DBrow

Probably none. The units that used them were deactivated in 1968. To me at least, it doesn’t make sense that we’d still be maintaining a weapons system when we haven’t had units that knew how use them for 40+ years.


15 posted on 03/10/2014 6:47:08 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: headstamp 2
I saw a photo of a Vietnam-era low-profile vehicle. Aluminum armor. Had two tubes on each side that were loaded with flechette rounds (aka "beehive" rounds).

I guess the thing didn't carry extra rounds for reloading.

16 posted on 03/10/2014 6:52:57 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113_armored_personnel_carrier

Could have been one of these.


17 posted on 03/10/2014 6:54:29 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Calvin Locke

106mm - Vietnam


18 posted on 03/10/2014 6:54:51 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Calvin Locke

Correction - that’s a 90mm.


19 posted on 03/10/2014 6:58:46 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: headstamp 2

This a shoulder-fired type of weapon.


20 posted on 03/10/2014 7:03:02 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: smokingfrog

The US Army had both 106’s and 90’s in recoilless rifle rounds. The 106 was often jeep-mounted.


21 posted on 03/10/2014 7:04:33 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: headstamp 2

It was probably this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Ontos

My memory of both the picture and description, notwithstanding.

“Pale ink is better than the best memory”


22 posted on 03/10/2014 7:08:48 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: C19fan

It’s the same old problem since the start of war. When the bullets aren’t flying, Joe wants to wear gym shorts and carry a pocket knife. When the bullets start flying, Joe wants ten feet of steel around him and a nuke. And it’s the same for governments. When the bullets aren’t flying, the government only wants to pay enough money for gym shorts and pocket knives. When the enemy starts firing into the government buildings, then the government wants 500 Divisions with tanks and jets and submarines.


23 posted on 03/10/2014 7:12:40 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DBrow
I wonder how many Davy Crocketts we have in stock.

None. They are all gone and have been disassembled.

24 posted on 03/10/2014 7:35:10 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: KeyLargo

Had one mounted on an M-113 in Vietnam. We had another napalm launching track called Zippo.


25 posted on 03/10/2014 7:38:35 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: headstamp 2
We’re talking “Bazooka” here, and not what I think of mounted on a JEEP, right?

They look very similar, but a bazooka fired a rocket. A recoiless rifle is an artillery piece that vents part of the gasses from the propellant charge out of the back of the breach. If you balance the forward thrust from those gasses with the rearward thrust from the muzzle, you can very nearly zero out the recoil, hence the "recoiless" rifle. Because the breach and tube do not have to be strong enough to contain all of the pressure of the propellant charge, they can be much thinner and lighter than a conventional artillery piece of the size.

26 posted on 03/10/2014 7:48:32 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: onedoug

I’d like to have one of those APCs in my yard to prepare for the coming assaults by the government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdMbLfor3Vg&list=PLCfj0mJFc6cX-NmGbQf1Nz5Kql3VAtYN9&index=8


27 posted on 03/10/2014 7:49:40 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: C19fan

Mixed feelings. Ideal for static defensive positions, but for grunts having to hump 90MikeMike rounds up and down dry mountains? Not so good.....


28 posted on 03/10/2014 7:51:32 AM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: Calvin Locke

I’ll take one of those from Allis-Chalmers with a 60” mower deck on it. LOL


29 posted on 03/10/2014 7:52:33 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Calvin Locke

It’s a 90 mm RR.


30 posted on 03/10/2014 7:52:45 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Yo-Yo

I’ve heard one of the big issues with that these days was the fact they were running out of 90mm rounds for those.


31 posted on 03/10/2014 8:44:58 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Calvin Locke

M-67 90MM Recoilless rifle Max effective range 400 meters max range 2300 meters weight 37 lbs. Fires a HEAT and canister round We had them in Viuetnam and in My National Guard 19-77 MP unit


32 posted on 03/10/2014 9:09:29 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: C19fan

BTTT!


33 posted on 03/10/2014 9:17:56 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: C19fan
This is one product NO company will stand behind.

Next up, a revival of the ONTOS, my favorite fighting vehicle of all time!?! (well there's the M-42, too)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M42_40_mm_Self-Propelled_Anti-Aircraft_Gun

34 posted on 03/10/2014 9:22:16 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: C19fan

Just for clarification for this AF puke, the recoilless rifles referred to in article are portable, man-held weapons. They are not the type that was mounted on a jeep, is that correct?


35 posted on 03/11/2014 7:02:54 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: ops33
M3 Carl Gustav
36 posted on 03/11/2014 7:20:38 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: smokingfrog

This is a 3.5 in. Rocket Launcher (commomly called “bazooka”), not a 75 or 105 mm recoilless rifle. The 75mm was usually installed on a pedestal on a 1/4 ton vehicle (commonly called “Jeep”), mounted to the floor bhind the driver. Both were used a lot in Korea.


37 posted on 03/15/2014 2:48:45 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: C19fan

By “ass” do they mean like a donkey - stubborn, hardy, sure footed - or is it that vulgarity is creeping into our language at such a rate that it’s now safe for headlines?


38 posted on 03/15/2014 6:32:41 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: imardmd1

M67 Recoilless Rifle

https://archive.org/details/FM23-11


39 posted on 03/15/2014 6:34:43 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
You are right and I was wrong. What I missed was the open ring barrel protector/reinforcement of the 3.5 inch (~90mm) rocket launcher. Sorry if I offended your judgment.

My day was 1956-1962 in which we were trained with the 3.5 inch RL tube. It was not an issued infantry weapon at that time, and we didn't spend much time with it. It made a heckuva bang and back-blast, giving the weapon's position away.

40 posted on 03/15/2014 1:28:57 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

I was in two different airborne units in the 70’s. Weapons platoon had 90’s or 105’s. We got to fire the 90mm with practice rounds once or twice as I recall, but never the real munitions.


41 posted on 03/15/2014 2:31:48 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DMZFrank

I fired one of those bad boys once. My head was ringing for an hour. LOL


42 posted on 03/23/2014 4:42:50 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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