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Cosmos with Neil deGrasse Tyson: Same Old Product, Bright New Packaging
Evolution News and Views ^ | March 10, 2014 | Casey Luskin

Posted on 03/10/2014 6:58:19 AM PDT by Heartlander

Cosmos with Neil deGrasse Tyson: Same Old Product, Bright New Packaging

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If there was any doubt that the rebooted Cosmos series, which premiered last night, would be politically charged and have a materialistic ideological message, consider what viewers saw in its first sixty seconds. The opening featured President Obama giving a statement endorsing the series. That's not necessarily bad, except for what happened next. Immediately following President Obama's endorsement, the show replayed Carl Sagan's famous materialistic credo from the original Cosmos series that "The cosmos is all there is, or ever was, or ever will be." Does it violate the separation of church and state for the President of the United States to be portrayed seemingly endorsing Sagan's materialistic viewpoint? Is this what President Obama meant when he said in his first inaugural address that we should "restore science to its rightful place"?

The irony is that viewers were then immediately told by series host Neil deGrasse Tyson that science follows a "set of rules." It should:

Again, that all sounds fine and good. But does science support Sagan's belief that the "The cosmos is all there is, or ever was, or ever will be"? At best, that's a philosophical or metaphysical claim that goes beyond science. At worst, Sagan's claim is refuted by science, since known natural laws are incapable of explaining certain peculiar properties of the cosmos, including the life-friendly fine-tuning of the universe, and the fine-tuning of biological information to yield complex structures. If the cosmos is "all there is," then the cosmos cannot account for its own existence, nor the complexity of what's inside it.

Before I launch into any more critiques, let me note some genuine positives about the rebooted series. First, the expensive CGI which animates the new Cosmos is easy on the eyes, and deliberately appeals to sci-fi fans like myself. Having watched every episode of every Star Trek series multiple times, I was excited to learn that the new Cosmos series was directed by Brannon Braga, who also helped create Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Voyager, and Star Trek: Enterprise. In the first few minutes of Cosmos, Braga's influence was clear. Neil deGrasse Tyson is portrayed flying in a sleek spaceship through our solar system, the Milky Way galaxy, and then the entire universe, giving us a visually stunning and innovative tour of our "cosmic address," as Tyson puts it. That's another positive about the series: Tyson is a fabulous science communicator. If only he had used this series to simply communicate science, rather than science plus a heavy dose of materialist philosophy.

During the first episode, Tyson devotes lengthy segments to promoting the old tale that religion is at war science, and strongly promotes the idea that religion opposes intellectual advancement. He tells the story of the 16th-century astronomer Giordano Bruno, who he says lived in a time without "freedom of speech" or "separation of church and state," and thus fell into the clutches of the "thought police" of the Inquisition for disagreeing with the church's geocentric views. Never mind that his show made it appear that President Obama endorsed Sagan-style materialism, but I digress... Of course the main religious authority of that time was the Catholic Church, and the program shows angry priests with evil-sounding British accents dressed in full religious garb throwing Bruno out on the street, and eventually burning him at the stake.

Just to make sure that other Christians who aren't Catholic also understand their religions too hinder scientific progress, Tyson goes out of his way to point out that Bruno was opposed by "Calvinists in Switzerland," and "Lutherans in Germany," including the great protestant reformer Martin Luther himself. He never mentions that Protestants aren't the ones who burned Bruno at the stake, nor does he ever mention that most of the founders of modern science were Christians. But I digress...

It's a lengthy scene, all to highlight some of the darkest chapters of Christianity in Europe. But the entire retelling of Bruno's fate lasts a good portion of the first episode's hour. Why make the religious persecution of scientists some four hundred years ago a major focus of a widely publicized television series that is ostensibly about promoting science?

Actually, I'd love to see a TV show aimed at helping the public to understand the dangers of hindering academic freedom for scientists. I suppose if you wanted to cover that topic, you'd want to talk about the evil things some members of the church did to persecute scientists hundreds of years ago. But why stop there? Why not also talk about how Lysenkoists in the USSR persecuted scientists who didn't support their atheist, Communist ideology during the 20th century? Or why not talk about the numerous well-documented examples of scientists who have faced persecution and discrimination for disagreeing with Darwinian evolution in just the last few years? For example:

True, ID-critics may not be burning people at the stake, but they have become so intolerant that in 2007, the Council of Europe, the leading European "human rights" organization, adopted a resolution calling ID a potential "threat to human rights"!

So if Neil deGrasse Tyson felt so strongly that it's important to teach the public about the importance of "freedom of speech" for scientists to "question everything," then why didn't he mention any of these recent incidents where skeptics of Darwinian evolution or proponents of intelligent design had their academic freedom violated? Why did he only focus on incidents from four hundred years ago where the church suppressed science, while he ignored all the numerous instances of the present day where atheist-Darwin activists have suppressed the rights of ID-friendly scientists? Could it be because Tyson himself is basically an atheist, and sees the Cosmos reboot as a great opportunity to promote his materialistic worldview?

Now Tyson may officially deny that he's an atheist, but that's just standard political posturing. As he said in the "Beyond Belief" conference, which helped launch the New Atheist movement in 2006:

I want to put on the table, not why 85% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences reject God, I want to know why 15% of the National Academy don't. That's really what we've got to address here. Otherwise the public is secondary to this.
There's even a Facebook page created by fans of "Tysonism" which purports to promote "a secular religion based on the philosophy of astrophysicist Dr Neil deGrasse Tyson." The page quotes him saying things like:
The more I learn about the universe, the less convinced I am that there's any sort of benevolent force that has anything to do with it, at all.
Another sign that Cosmos has a materialistic agenda is the fact that its executive producer is celebrity atheist Seth MacFarlane (the creator of Family Guy), who commented in an interview with Esquire about the need to be "vocal about the advancement of knowledge over faith":
ESQ: ... I see you've recently become rather vocal about your atheism. Isn't it antithetical to make public proclamations about secularism?

SM: We have to. Because of all the mysticism and stuff that's gotten so popular.

ESQ: But when you wave banners, how does it differ from religion?

SM: It's like the civil-rights movement. There have to be people who are vocal about the advancement of knowledge over faith.
Could the anti-religious message already seen in the first episode of Cosmos be MacFarlane's attempt to promote what he thinks is "the advancement of knowledge over faith"?

In any case, MacFarlane seems to promise the new Cosmos series will attack intelligent design:

For argument's sake, let's say "Family Guy" is not family-friendly, then I would say "Cosmos" is the first thing that I've done in my career that you can sit down with your entire family. It's for young people and old people. I think there will be a lot of crossover from the animated shows to this program. I think that there is a hunger for science and knowing about science and understanding of science that hasn't really been fed in the past two decades. We've had a resurgence of creationism and intelligent design quote-unquote theory. There's been a real vacuum when it comes to science education. The nice thing about this show is that I think that it does what the original "Cosmos" did and presents it in such a flashy, entertaining way that, as Carl Sagan put it in 1980, even people who have no interest in science will watch just because it's a spectacle. People who watched the original "Cosmos" will sit down and watch with their kids.
Just how badly will Cosmos botch its attempts to attack intelligent design? Stay tuned.


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A world-famous chemist tells the truth: there’s no scientist alive today who understands macroevolution

Professor James M. Tour is one of the ten most cited chemists in the world. He is famous for his work on nanocars (pictured above, courtesy of Wikipedia), nanoelectronics, graphene nanostructures, carbon nanovectors in medicine, and green carbon research for enhanced oil recovery and environmentally friendly oil and gas extraction. He is currently a Professor of Chemistry, Professor of Computer Science, and Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Materials Science at Rice University. He has authored or co-authored 489 scientific publications and his name is on 36 patents. Although he does not regard himself as an Intelligent Design theorist, Professor Tour, along with over 700 other scientists, took the courageous step back in 2001 of signing the Discovery Institute’s “A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism”, which read: “We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”

On Professor Tour’s Website, there’s a very revealing article on evolution and creation, in which Tour bluntly states that he does not understand how macroevolution could have happened, from a chemical standpoint (all bold emphases below are mine – VJT):

Although most scientists leave few stones unturned in their quest to discern mechanisms before wholeheartedly accepting them, when it comes to the often gross extrapolations between observations and conclusions on macroevolution, scientists, it seems to me, permit unhealthy leeway. When hearing such extrapolations in the academy, when will we cry out, “The emperor has no clothes!”?

…I simply do not understand, chemically, how macroevolution could have happened. Hence, am I not free to join the ranks of the skeptical and to sign such a statement without reprisals from those that disagree with me? … Does anyone understand the chemical details behind macroevolution? If so, I would like to sit with that person and be taught, so I invite them to meet with me.

In a more recent talk, entitled, Nanotech and Jesus Christ, given on 1 November 2012 at Georgia Tech, Professor Tour went further, and declared that no scientist that he has spoken to understands macroevolution – and that includes Nobel Prize winners! Here’s what he said when a student in the audience asked him about evolution:

I will tell you as a scientist and a synthetic chemist: if anybody should be able to understand evolution, it is me, because I make molecules for a living, and I don’t just buy a kit, and mix this and mix this, and get that. I mean, ab initio, I make molecules. I understand how hard it is to make molecules. I understand that if I take Nature’s tool kit, it could be much easier, because all the tools are already there, and I just mix it in the proportions, and I do it under these conditions, but ab initio is very, very hard.

I don’t understand evolution, and I will confess that to you. Is that OK, for me to say, “I don’t understand this”? Is that all right? I know that there’s a lot of people out there that don’t understand anything about organic synthesis, but they understand evolution. I understand a lot about making molecules; I don’t understand evolution. And you would just say that, wow, I must be really unusual.

Let me tell you what goes on in the back rooms of science – with National Academy members, with Nobel Prize winners. I have sat with them, and when I get them alone, not in public – because it’s a scary thing, if you say what I just said – I say, “Do you understand all of this, where all of this came from, and how this happens?” Every time that I have sat with people who are synthetic chemists, who understand this, they go “Uh-uh. Nope.” These people are just so far off, on how to believe this stuff came together. I’ve sat with National Academy members, with Nobel Prize winners. Sometimes I will say, “Do you understand this?”And if they’re afraid to say “Yes,” they say nothing. They just stare at me, because they can’t sincerely do it.

I was once brought in by the Dean of the Department, many years ago, and he was a chemist. He was kind of concerned about some things. I said, “Let me ask you something. You’re a chemist. Do you understand this? How do you get DNA without a cell membrane? And how do you get a cell membrane without a DNA? And how does all this come together from this piece of jelly?” We have no idea, we have no idea. I said, “Isn’t it interesting that you, the Dean of science, and I, the chemistry professor, can talk about this quietly in your office, but we can’t go out there and talk about this?”

If you understand evolution, I am fine with that. I’m not going to try to change you – not at all. In fact, I wish I had the understanding that you have.

But about seven or eight years ago I posted on my Web site that I don’t understand. And I said, “I will buy lunch for anyone that will sit with me and explain to me evolution, and I won’t argue with you until I don’t understand something – I will ask you to clarify. But you can’t wave by and say, “This enzyme does that.” You’ve got to get down in the details of where molecules are built, for me. Nobody has come forward.

The Atheist Society contacted me. They said that they will buy the lunch, and they challenged the Atheist Society, “Go down to Houston and have lunch with this guy, and talk to him.” Nobody has come! Now remember, because I’m just going to ask, when I stop understanding what you’re talking about, I will ask. So I sincerely want to know. I would like to believe it. But I just can’t.

Now, I understand microevolution, I really do. We do this all the time in the lab. I understand this. But when you have speciation changes, when you have organs changing, when you have to have concerted lines of evolution, all happening in the same place and time – not just one line – concerted lines, all at the same place, all in the same environment … this is very hard to fathom.

I was in Israel not too long ago, talking with a bio-engineer, and [he was] describing to me the ear, and he was studying the different changes in the modulus of the ear, and I said, “How does this come about?” And he says, “Oh, Jim, you know, we all believe in evolution, but we have no idea how it happened.” Now there’s a good Jewish professor for you. I mean, that’s what it is. So that’s where I am. Have I answered the question? (52:00 to 56:44)

Professor Tour’s online talk is absolutely fascinating as well as being deeply moving on a personal level, and I would strongly urge readers to listen to his talk in its entirety – including the questions after the talk. You won’t regret it, I promise you. One interesting little gem of information which I’ll reveal is that it was Professor Tour who was largely instrumental in getting Nobel Laureate Richard Smalley, winner of the 1996 Nobel Prize in Chemistry, to reject Darwinian evolution and accept Old Earth creationism, shortly before he died in 2005. It was Tour who persuaded Smalley to delve into the question of origins. After reading the books “Origins of Life” and “Who Was Adam?”, written by Dr. Hugh Ross (an astrophysicist) and Dr. Fazale Rana (a biochemist).. Dr. Smalley explained his change of heart as follows:

Evolution has just been dealt its death blow. After reading “Origins of Life”, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred. The new book, “Who Was Adam?”, is the silver bullet that puts the evolutionary model to death.

Strong words indeed, for a Nobel scientist. Readers can find out more about Professor Richard Smalley’s change of views here.

Why should we believe macroevolution, if nobody understands it?

Now that Professor Tour has informed the world that even Nobel Prize-winning scientists privately admit that they don’t understand macroevolution, a layperson is surely entitled to ask: “Well, if even they don’t understand it, then why should we believe it? How can we possibly be obliged to believe in a theory which nobody understands?”

That’s a good question. And it’s no use for Darwinists to trot out the standard “party line” that “even if we don’t yet understand how it happened, we still have enough evidence to infer that it happened.” At the very most, all that the current scientific evidence could establish is the common descent of living organisms. But that’s not macroevolution. Macroevolution requires more than a common ancestry for living organisms: it requires a natural mechanism which can generate the diversity of life-forms we see on Earth today from a common stock, without the need for any direction by an Intelligent Agent. But the mechanism is precisely what we don’t have evidence for. So the question remains: why should we believe in macroevolution?

The decline of academic freedom

Given the massive uncertainty about the “how” of macroevolution among scientists working in the field, you might think that a wide variety of views would be tolerated in the scientific arena – including the view that there is no such process as macroevolution. However, you would be sadly mistaken. As Professor Tour notes in his online article on evolution and creation, an alarming academic trend has emerged in recent years: a growing intolerance of dissent from Darwinism. This trend is so pronounced that Professor Tour now advises his students not to voice their doubts about Darwinism in public, if they want a successful career:

In the last few years I have seen a saddening progression at several institutions. I have witnessed unfair treatment upon scientists that do not accept macroevolutionary arguments and for their having signed the above-referenced statement regarding the examination of Darwinism. (I will comment no further regarding the specifics of the actions taken upon the skeptics; I love and honor my colleagues too much for that.) I never thought that science would have evolved like this. I deeply value the academy; teaching, professing and research in the university are my privileges and joys…

But my recent advice to my graduate students has been direct and revealing: If you disagree with Darwinian Theory, keep it to yourselves if you value your careers, unless, of course, you’re one of those champions for proclamation; I know that that fire exists in some, so be ready for lead-ridden limbs. But if the scientific community has taken these shots at senior faculty, it will not be comfortable for the young non-conformist. When the power-holders permit no contrary discussion, can a vibrant academy be maintained? Is there a University (unity in diversity)? For the United States, I pray that the scientific community and the National Academy in particular will investigate the disenfranchisement that is manifest upon some of their own, and thereby address the inequity.

It remains to be seen if other countries will allow their young scientists to think freely about the origin of life, and of the various species of organisms that we find on Earth today. What I will say, though, is that countries which restrict academic freedom will eventually be overtaken by countries which allow it to prosper. There is still time for America and Europe to throw off the dead hand of Darwinism in academic circles, and let their young people breathe the unaccustomed air of free speech once again.

1 posted on 03/10/2014 6:58:19 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

I read or heard someplace that the “lyin’ king” was doing an intro to the series so based on that, I tuned out immediately and never gave it another thougt. If he did, he must have done it on tape so as not to interfere with his never ending vaca.


2 posted on 03/10/2014 7:01:31 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: Heartlander

I watched a while and went to sleep. Lots of fancy graphics, but not much substance.


3 posted on 03/10/2014 7:03:50 AM PDT by stboz
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To: Heartlander

I was irritated at the revisionist history regarding the Catholic Church. The show claims that helio-centrism is against Scripture and contradicts the Bible. That is simply false. Geo-centrism is not in the Bible and the Catholic Church has never made that claim.


4 posted on 03/10/2014 7:08:04 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Heartlander

Most people who know me consider me to be the most knowledgeable astronomer they’ve ever met, and they express confusion when they find out that I rarely watch astronomy based educational TV.

I usually say “if I have to look at another artists rendering of a black hole I might have to scream!” I did like the old “Project Universe” from Coast Community College, and others like it. But Cosmos is a very dim bulb in comparison.


5 posted on 03/10/2014 7:09:26 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: stboz
Exactly. Not like the original series. I told my wife, it had better pick up otherwise I'll watch something else.

Loved the fact that they played the original series in completion before hand. I had to laugh when Sagan talked about the new technology — computers. Looking back he was spot on. This was well before the personal computer, the Internet, cable TV, cell phones, etc. etc. We have certainly come a long way in 30 years. And maybe not for the better.

Another excellent series from the late 70s early 80s: Connections with James Burke. I first watched both Connections and Cosmos on my black and white rabbit ear TV. Lol.

6 posted on 03/10/2014 7:11:33 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: MarineBrat

Good for new recruits, though.


7 posted on 03/10/2014 7:13:09 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Heartlander

The future is entropy. Let them start with an explanation of that. They might even figure out global warming eh cooling eh universal cooling


8 posted on 03/10/2014 7:14:52 AM PDT by snoopy 'n linus
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To: Heartlander

Neil DeGrasse Tyson is an extraordinary individual. His greatest strength is in communicating complex ideas and making them more accessible to people without a scientific background.

That being said, his primary defect is that he’s a bore. A motormouth that won’t shut up, and it leads him to areas outside of his expertise. I admire the gentleman, but I have seen him live and on video, and invariably he sucks the air out of the room. This is most obvious when he is part of a panel and despite being one of four panelists, he takes up much more than 25% of the talk time. Even his co panelists seem unappreciative of his selfishness.


9 posted on 03/10/2014 7:16:32 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Heartlander

I watched it. Fortunately, I missed the first few minutes with Bozo.

I found the segment about Bruno and the Church to be irrelevant, tiresome, and far too long. It was obviously out of place and contrived.

It also was a bit ironic, considering how anyone who questions the orthodoxy of AGW is treated by the supposed enlightened ones.

The rest of the program wasn’t all that bad. There isn’t much on TV on Sunday nights worth watching and they did a pretty good job of illustrating the immensity of the universe and the structure of the solar system. I’ll probably watch another episode or two to see how it shakes out.


10 posted on 03/10/2014 7:17:35 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Heartlander

I didn’t watch for one reason despite my love of this sort of thing. I didn’t watch because of this video of the show makers gleefully insulting Christians and conservatives, “Squirrel eating reactionary homophobes”.

http://www.space.com/24918-cosmos-tv-series-fox-video.html

I don’t have a problem with scientists believing something different, I have a problem with scientists who go out of their way to be as insulting as possible.


11 posted on 03/10/2014 7:17:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ted Grant

I prefer Michio Kaku to most of them.


12 posted on 03/10/2014 7:19:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I like him a lot, too.


13 posted on 03/10/2014 7:21:17 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Heartlander

I did watch it last night, but I tuned in 2 minutes into it, so I completely missed Obozo’s introduction. Oh...what a pity. (/s)

I was impressed with the CGI...but that was about it. I took absolutely everything said by Dr. Tyson with a massive grain of salt.

There was one other thing that I found interesting...that Dr. Sagan actually met Neil Tyson when Tyson was a teenager. Before this, I thought Dr. Tyson had no connection to Sagan at all.

Will I watch next week? Probably. It’s not going to change my belief in God and His creation and design for the Universe. However, I am curious as to what atheistic drivel will be put forth as “science fact”.


14 posted on 03/10/2014 7:27:20 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Ted Grant

I like Kaku because he isn’t openly insulting and actually acknowledges the genesis of the Big Bang theory with a Vatican astronomer.

I’ve heard him call the big bang, “the point where religion and theoretical science converge”. He points out that its no less mystical to believe that everything came from nothing than it is for Christians to believe that God created everything from nothing.


15 posted on 03/10/2014 7:29:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Heartlander
I watched the original series which was broadcast Sunday afternoon prior to the new one. Frankly I enjoyed listening to Sagan compared to the new one which immediately turned me off with Obama pontificating within the first 30 seconds or so. And then I was surprised with the animated story of Giordano Bruno, way longer than necessary to tell his story.

Finally I too was struck by host Neil deGrasse Tyson listing the "set of rules" science should follow. But I immediately had a different thought on how it applies today: Climate change and "global warming."

Scientists who express skepticism in the party line that man-made CO2 emissions are causing changes in climate are routinely ignored, shouted down, and denied forums to present their evidence, some of which completely contradicts that of "scientists" such as Michael Mann or James Hanson. Opinions supporting the "deniers" are excluded from major newspapers and those scientists with impeccable credentials who question the "party line" (an apt expression as also it is the official position of the Democrats and one-world socialists in our government) are prevented from presenting those views in media interviews or on the Sunday talk shows

16 posted on 03/10/2014 7:31:46 AM PDT by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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To: stboz

I watched the whoel thing. A total bore and I won’t watcht he res tof the series.


17 posted on 03/10/2014 7:35:36 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: hoagy62
That was surprising.

It was pretty weak otherwise.

I was explaining to my wife about how the colors for the nebulas were enhanced. That was was being shown wasn't in the visible spectrum. She was admiring the pretty pinks and blues. :)

It also inspired me to explain to her the stellar fusion reaction and the famous E=mc^2 and why the sun will burn for billions of years because it is converting matter to energy.

Interesting that most of the original series covered a lot of what we take for granted today, ie, black holes and solar mass and the higher atomic weight elements and how they are produced.

Sagan, for all of his faults, mainstreamed science and inspired a lot kids.

18 posted on 03/10/2014 7:39:50 AM PDT by dhs12345
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Degrassi has a big problem with Christians in the upper levels of science. He’s really sickening, spiteful and rather trite in person.

In his world it’s either “my way or the highway”.

When at a conference he was really ripping people of faith as though it was a personal insult to him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti3mtDC2fQo


19 posted on 03/10/2014 7:47:39 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: dhs12345

I love Connections and The Day The Universe Changed.

I listened to some Cosmos. It didn’t do much for me either way. I miss Carl Sagan’s “billions and billions” that was parodied by others.


20 posted on 03/10/2014 7:48:06 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: CedarDave
Ya. I was waiting for the global warming BS. It was subtle if it did happen.

I found it ironic scientist questioning global warming are treated the same way as Bruno. Like a religious heretic. Degrase emphasized that we must “question” because that is the scientific process.

However, remember: global warming is a done deal, no questions, no debates allowed.

21 posted on 03/10/2014 7:51:10 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Heartlander
I was disappointed with the show for several reasons. First, there were several references to how Christianity was an impediment to science. It was in some ways, but that's just the way things were in human history. There were plenty of other impediments over time, and there still are.

Second, I did not like the global warming lecture.

Next, the music was loud, awful, and unnecessary.....they tried to make it into a sci-fi thriller. I had to turn it down. I think it dumbed down the show.

And last, Tyson was good, and himself, but I much prefer Sagan's original series.....and Sagan's presentation. I wish they had changed the name of this new version and had left the name Cosmos as Sagan's alone. It was so unique, and well-done that it should stand alone as the only Cosmos.

22 posted on 03/10/2014 7:54:22 AM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: wally_bert
A great series. Unfortunately, it is not on netflix. But it is on youtube.

Here is the wikipage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(TV_series)

I said “billions and billions” a couple of times while watching. My wife didn't get it until I explained it to her. She laughed at me for being weird.

23 posted on 03/10/2014 7:57:43 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
Ya. I was waiting for the global warming BS. It was subtle if it did happen.

There was a quick reference when he was talking about the formation of coal from trees.

24 posted on 03/10/2014 8:00:03 AM PDT by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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To: Swede Girl
“And last, Tyson was good, and himself, but I much prefer Sagan's original series.....and Sagan's presentation. I wish they had changed the name of this new version and had left the name Cosmos as Sagan's alone. It was so unique, and well-done that it should stand alone as the only Cosmos.”

Agreed.

Kind of ironic too that mainstream science the inquisition of our times. The science inquisition. If you question global warming, you are a heretic and banished from publications, newspapers, and the general media.

25 posted on 03/10/2014 8:04:34 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: CedarDave

Exactly. My wife noticed that and pointed it out to me. I missed it.


26 posted on 03/10/2014 8:05:42 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Heartlander
During the first episode, Tyson devotes lengthy segments to promoting the old tale that religion is at war science, and strongly promotes the idea that religion opposes intellectual advancement. He tells the story of the 16th-century astronomer Giordano Bruno

Bruno was a maniac who was responsible for having priceless works of Renaissance art burned in the public square of Florance, where, fortunately, he met his own demise later since the citizens there had enough of his insanity.

I will have to check this series out for myself to see what they are presenting. DeGrasse Tyson was on FOX over the weekend and noted that the show was shown on FOX and will be aired tonight on National Geographic which is partially FOX owned. If this series attacks religion, FOX didn't do its home work.

Just as with biological evolution, you can believe in the science without being atheist, although atheists would like you to believe otherwise. We may find out the “how” but only religion can tell us the “why”.

27 posted on 03/10/2014 8:13:30 AM PDT by ZULU (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: cripplecreek
Wow thanks for sharing that clip. Love how they all got a good laugh. Interesting that the guy said Fox News viewers are"Squirrel eating reactionary homophobes"....considering the type of activity that marks the homosexual community.
28 posted on 03/10/2014 8:14:48 AM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: Swede Girl

Christianity, in the form of Catholicism, saved western civilization.

It was monks, toiling away in the monasteries, copying priceless ancient manuscripts, and not Islam, which preserved the knowledge of the Ancient World. Clergymen like Bacon, Copernicus, and Mendel, made valuable contributions to modern science.

And Gallileo’s problems, while ostensibly religious, had more to do with Gallileo’s personality and Italian politics, than with sience.


29 posted on 03/10/2014 8:18:14 AM PDT by ZULU (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: SolidRedState
I watched a few seconds of the promo a week ago - and switched channels ... finally settling for off. If something has some guy/gal with two last names, you know it will be bad/liberal dog poo.

Yet, persecution of scientists with a point of view different from the mainstream goes on, and on, with the scientist in question eventually proven correct, even if it takes hundreds of years.

I remember in college, all those long decades ago, being told in Geology 101 that mountains were created by the wearing down of the land over eons ... it was settled science.

Some grad student, leading the class one day, mentioned there was some guy with the wacky theory that the surface of the Earth was composed of plates which moved! And these collided to make mountains ... a good laugh was had by all.

Then years later, after the scientist had died ignored and disgraced, some other grad student proved he was right ... and so the science of plate tectonics came to be.

30 posted on 03/10/2014 8:21:53 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Heartlander
The irony is that viewers were then immediately told by series host Neil deGrasse Tyson that science follows a "set of rules." It should:

"follow the evidence wherever leads,"
"question everything," and
put things to the test.



LEST, of course, thou art questioning the alchemy of AGW...in which case thou art a heretic and must be burned at the stake...

So from the get-go, the host proves he is a hypocrite, as he practices not what he preaches...typical of the AGW cultists. Sorry NDT...no cred whatsoever.
31 posted on 03/10/2014 8:22:49 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: cripplecreek

Disgusting. I shoulod have known better. These people are so vile. They can’t help but inject a political agenda into EVERYTHING they get involved with.

deGrasse Tyson runs the Hayden Planetarium in New York City, so one would expect him to be a Democrat, but he apparently went out of his way to attack us here.

The interviewer looks like a degenerate sodomite if I evere saw one.


32 posted on 03/10/2014 8:25:12 AM PDT by ZULU (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: ZULU

Anybody who follows the astronomy threads here at FR knows that I love the sciences but I have little use for such disrespect.


33 posted on 03/10/2014 8:28:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kingattax

Cosmos ping


34 posted on 03/10/2014 8:31:36 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: cripplecreek

I was educated as a scientist, and have no problem reconciling the Bible with evolution and the Big Bang Theory. Love reading cosmology and astronomy and biology books and papers also.

I really, really, really despise the liberal establishment and blame their monopoly on the colleges and mainstream media for all the problems, domestic and foreign, America is experiencing today. I saw it in the 1960’s when I was in college and it is worse today.

The only kind of Republic which can function is a Republic of Virtue and they are destroying that here.


35 posted on 03/10/2014 8:40:07 AM PDT by ZULU (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: joseph20

It sucked.

The one singular message of the show was “Catholics are evil.”


36 posted on 03/10/2014 8:45:34 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Ted Grant
Along those same lines, Stephen Hawking is a brilliant astrophysicist, but when he drifts into his atheistic themes, he makes a very poor theologian.

I have two simple questions for physicists. 1. What existed prior to the big bang? 2. What caused the big bang?

The sound you hear after that is crickets, chirping very quietly.

37 posted on 03/10/2014 8:59:11 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Heartlander

I love this irony. Creationists teach their children dysfunctional science, taking them out of the competition. Sweet.


38 posted on 03/10/2014 9:06:37 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: ZULU
Giordano Bruno's Cosmology was a relatively minor part of the charges against him which included blasphemy, immoral conduct, and heresy in theology of the Trinity, divinity of Christ, virginity of Mary, Mass, and beliefs in magic.

His defense strategy involved acquiescing to Church dogma while holding onto his views on cosmology. The Inquisitor would not accept less than a full recantation of all beliefs. Bruno at length refused which led to the sentence of death. He was burned at the stake by Roman secular officials.

As with Galileo, his persecution by the church likely had more to do with his abrasive personality and obnoxious tactics than his cosmology. Contrast these two with Copernicus who published similarly radical ideas about the cosmos 30+ years before his death (the Commentariolus) without suffering imprisonment or similar persecution.

39 posted on 03/10/2014 9:07:18 AM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Heartlander
"follow the evidence wherever leads,"
Unless it disproves man-made climate change.

"question everything,"
Except man-made climate change.

put things to the test.
Except sun-based or other alternative theories of climate change.

40 posted on 03/10/2014 9:09:04 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Heartlander

Is Tyson a legit astrophysicist? Or an unworthy AA hack, ie, a Colin Powell of physics?


41 posted on 03/10/2014 9:09:04 AM PDT by montag813
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To: joseph20
Geo-centrism is not in the Bible and the Catholic Church has never made that claim.

Not in Genesis. But yes the Church most certainly did endorse the Ptolemaic system as a political move against the Protestant North, and did persecute Galileo for supporting Copernican theory. To suggest otherwise is silly. The Vatican documents are there.

42 posted on 03/10/2014 9:09:04 AM PDT by montag813
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To: dhs12345
Another excellent series from the late 70s early 80s: Connections with James Burke. I first watched both Connections and Cosmos on my black and white rabbit ear TV. Lol.

Ascent of Man and Civilisation are also indispensable.

43 posted on 03/10/2014 9:09:04 AM PDT by montag813
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To: stboz

They mentioned we have 8 planets there about.
Mickey is going to be really mad about that!


44 posted on 03/10/2014 9:18:39 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: montag813

I’ll check it out. Thank you!

“You have to know where you have come from to know where you are going.” :)


45 posted on 03/10/2014 9:26:34 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ZULU
Bruno was a maniac who was responsible for having priceless works of Renaissance art burned in the public square of Florance

That was Savonarola, not Bruno.

46 posted on 03/10/2014 9:27:19 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: wally_bert
I love Connections and The Day The Universe Changed.

The original "Connections" was a superb series. I've been trying to find it for some time now on video stream without success.

As for me, looks like I'll be skipping the "Cosmos" reboot. I've had some interest in it but if it looks like it will be the now-rote Christian-bashing, left-liberal lovefest it appears to be, I won't waste my time.

47 posted on 03/10/2014 9:28:23 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: montag813

While the Catholic Church certainly persecuted Galileo for supporting Copernican theory, it was mostly after he had gone out of his way to insult Pope Urban VIII in Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems. Prior to that, he had the support of the Jesuits and had permission from both the Pope and the Inquisition to make his arguments in Dialogue. Effectively calling Pope Urban VIII simple minded was not an effective way to further Galileo’s views on cosmology.


48 posted on 03/10/2014 9:34:50 AM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Pecos
Physicists of all people should not rule out a deity.

Modern Physics is completely abstract and goes against “classical” common sense and what our senses tell us. And it keeps getting weirder and more abstract by the decade.

I wonder if it ever occurs to them that our perceptions of the world, including a mathematical equation to explain a physical entity, are not real in the physical sense.

49 posted on 03/10/2014 9:38:50 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: PIF

Yeah the whole Bruno thing went on too long and was too lopsided.

Then the bit about using coal and imperiling the planet.

Along with a few other unscientific bull crap.

Of course it started out bad with Mr. I have to have my 2 cents in everything I have no clue about. What a narcisist gas bag a-hole. My wife muted it for me and I turned my back until she said it was safe. LOL


50 posted on 03/10/2014 9:45:27 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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