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Richard Branson sides with Apple CEO against Climate Change Deniers
The Verge ^ | 3/10/14 | Jacob Kastrenakes

Posted on 03/10/2014 8:16:05 AM PDT by dangerdoc

Inspired by Apple CEO Tim Cook, Virgin founder Richard Branson has taken to his blog to say that businesses should begin standing up against climate change deniers. "While Tim told sustainability skeptics to 'get out of our stock,'" Branson writes, "I would urge climate change deniers to get out of our way." Cook's statements came at a recent shareholders meeting, where he soundly shot down a proposal rooted in climate change denial that would have had Apple putting its bottom line above its interests in sustainability. Cook said that those who would prefer Apple do everything purely for profit simply shouldn't invest.

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KEYWORDS: apple; blackslist; boycottapple; climatechange; climatechangedeniers; corporateliberalism; globalwarmingscare; maccult; richardbranson; thoughtcrime; timcook; virgin; virginairlines; virginmedia
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In a previous thread, Freepers could not agree on what Apple told investors. I think Mr. Virgin gets it.
1 posted on 03/10/2014 8:16:05 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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As for why deniers should start believing, Branson keeps his argument simple: "If 97 percent of climate scientists agreeing that climate-warming trends over the past century are due to human activities isn’t compelling data, I don’t know what is."

Before Copernicus, 97 percent of "learned scholars" believed that the Earth revolved around the Sun. I guess that was compelling then too.

2 posted on 03/10/2014 8:18:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: dangerdoc

Branson has taken to his blog to say that businesses.
Ya think


3 posted on 03/10/2014 8:21:05 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: dangerdoc

Simple enough. These spoiled billionaires are working against America and Americans, while profiting immensely from them.

Therefore, when conservatives control congress and the White House, these billionaires need to be put in their place.

Most of them are not billionaires because they have billions of dollars, but because they have the equivalent in stock. If their stock drops, they stop being billionaires.

And they stop being pestiferous to America and Americans.

Right now, their stock is sky high in many cases solely because it is propped up by the US government. Take away those props, and overnight, these billionaires are selling pencils on street corners.

Time for the joy ride of these scoundrels to end.


4 posted on 03/10/2014 8:21:20 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Cincinatus
Oops! Vice-verse, of course:

Before Copernicus, 97 percent of "learned scholars" believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth. I guess that was compelling then too.

See how easy it is to screw this up?

5 posted on 03/10/2014 8:22:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: dangerdoc

Right. A company that builds most of its products in China professing it cares more about the environment than making a profit.


6 posted on 03/10/2014 8:23:09 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: dangerdoc

So when Apple decided that it didn’t want to comply with EPA rules and moved their manufacturing to China, they were only concerned with what? Or when they thumbed their noses at minimum wage laws and hired Chinese workers at a fraction of the cost of an American worker they were just doing what? And how ‘bout when they shielded their billions in foreign banks to avoid taxes in the USA? All this at the same time that they were sending massive amounts of money to politicians who devised the very rules that they have so assiduously avoided. We have several vulgarities for people like that.


7 posted on 03/10/2014 8:24:29 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Viva Perot)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

How in the world would you accomplish that? How do we put people like Sir Richard “in their place”?


8 posted on 03/10/2014 8:24:44 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: dangerdoc
Never had use for an Apple product...and never will.Never flown on “Virgin” Airlines...and never will.
9 posted on 03/10/2014 8:24:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: dangerdoc

No, I won’t get out of your way, Dick. You aren’t my boss, so F off, son.


10 posted on 03/10/2014 8:24:59 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: dangerdoc

Branson is old.


11 posted on 03/10/2014 8:25:40 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: dangerdoc

Does it help with their taxes? Payoffs?

These people are not stupid. Follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.


12 posted on 03/10/2014 8:26:17 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Cincinatus
As for why deniers should start believing, Branson keeps his argument simple: "If 97 percent of climate scientists agreeing that climate-warming trends over the past century are due to human activities isn’t compelling data, I don’t know what is."

What percent of Soviets believed in Communism? Or at least those who went on record?

There has been a blacklist of thought. Challenges from within the scientific community where silenced. This was in the leaked memos.

13 posted on 03/10/2014 8:26:37 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: dangerdoc

Richard and Tim have come out as ACC Nazis....who knew?


14 posted on 03/10/2014 8:28:07 AM PDT by TheDon (Californians are losing their right to keep and bear firearms one firearm at a time.)
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To: All

they’re all afraid of Obama and the nsa. they’re not stupid people.


15 posted on 03/10/2014 8:28:37 AM PDT by willywill
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To: Leonard210
So when Apple decided that it didn’t want to comply with EPA rules and moved their manufacturing to China...
Or when they thumbed their noses at minimum wage laws and hired Chinese workers...
And how ‘bout when they shielded their billions in foreign banks to avoid taxes in the USA?

Stalinists lie. ALWAYS

16 posted on 03/10/2014 8:29:12 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: dangerdoc

these dopes would insist that BELIEF in Climate Change is..the mark of the beast..
either wear it or be de personed


17 posted on 03/10/2014 8:29:29 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: dangerdoc

I don’t have any use for this company’s stock or products.

Apple can take its business and its Glowbull Warming and shove it.

And Rush can get turned off when he talks about these idiots too.


18 posted on 03/10/2014 8:30:16 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: dangerdoc

ya think these guys are doing this for Obama ?


19 posted on 03/10/2014 8:32:54 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: dangerdoc
Fine with me.

If Climate Change Hoax Deniers don't want my money, I'll be more than happy to not give it to them.

20 posted on 03/10/2014 8:34:01 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: dangerdoc

If they can come up with an efficient, less stinky, and cost effective means of energy use and production, fine. Just don’t assume it will make a hoots worth of difference to the climate, or that any other energy using nation will cooperate.


21 posted on 03/10/2014 8:34:01 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: dangerdoc

I suspect Cook is catching LOTS of flack internally and Branson is trying to help.

CEO’s who are/were NOT liked internally because of their non-work related opinions:
Craig Barrett - Intel
Larry Ellison - Oracle
Scott McNealy - Sun Microsystem
Philippe Kahn - Borland Software
Carly Fiorina - HP
John Scully - Apple

All these yahoo’s except Ellison have had their heads handed to them for NOT doing their job.
Cook is going to get it in within 3 years.


22 posted on 03/10/2014 8:34:02 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Gay State Conservative

Cook has none of his hard-earned money “at risk”. Branson does. That gives him the right to be as foolish as he wants. But, he also heads a publicly traded company, and both should remember that if Jobs had not come back to Apple, it would still be in the crapper.
When his product pipeline dries out, what will that hireling do?


23 posted on 03/10/2014 8:35:13 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: Cincinatus
"If 97 percent of climate scientists agreeing that climate-warming trends over the past century are due to human activities isn’t compelling data, I don’t know what is."

Oh, the 97% figure again. Just so we're all on the same page, that 97% figure was determined by a pollster who asked 10,000 scientists the question, got 3,000 responses, then included only 77 respondents in the population. The 75 out of 77 who agreed became the 97%.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/17/that-scientific-global-warming-consensus-not/

So where did that famous “consensus” claim that “98% of all scientists believe in global warming” come from? It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois. Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.

Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic. That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.

24 posted on 03/10/2014 8:35:32 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar)
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To: a fool in paradise

“What percent of Soviets believed in Communism? Or at least those who went on record? There has been a blacklist of thought. Challenges from within the scientific community where silenced. This was in the leaked memos.”

Exactly.


25 posted on 03/10/2014 8:38:02 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Viva Perot)
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To: a fool in paradise

“What percent of Soviets believed in Communism?”

I would hope everyone does, regardless of where you are. It exists.


26 posted on 03/10/2014 8:39:10 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Fuzz

Ideologically believed (and supported) it?

And there are hard left Communists in America who insist that REAL Communism has never been implemented.


27 posted on 03/10/2014 8:40:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: Cincinatus

And those 97% would be right, the earth DOES revolve around the sun. ;)


28 posted on 03/10/2014 8:41:37 AM PDT by Mama Shawna
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To: dangerdoc

I bet if Branson’s bottom line got seriously hurt, he would change his stance, but the problem is how to do that in the current environment and with too many governments in the hands of Socialists and Gaia worshipers.


29 posted on 03/10/2014 8:43:53 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: dangerdoc

LOL! I guess Virgin will shutting down ops by the end of the week.


30 posted on 03/10/2014 8:44:48 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: Mama Shawna

Ah dang it! That’s what I get for posting before reading the rest of the thread!


31 posted on 03/10/2014 8:44:57 AM PDT by Mama Shawna
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To: dangerdoc

Branson should take the lead and ground all his planes...for the environment. (snark)

32 posted on 03/10/2014 8:46:08 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Leonard210

Excellent summary about Apple. Apple users are for a large part a cult following.

We have a female in law, who in most issues is a conservative. She owns every Apple product and has the latest update on her I Phone, I Pad, and I Mac.

When you bring up your excellent points, her eyes glaze over and she acts like a brain washed liberal.

Rush Limbaugh apparently has the same problem when it comes to Apple computors.

Your excellent Apple summary, “So when Apple decided that it didn’t want to comply with EPA rules and moved their manufacturing to China, they were only concerned with what? Or when they thumbed their noses at minimum wage laws and hired Chinese workers at a fraction of the cost of an American worker they were just doing what? And how ‘bout when they shielded their billions in foreign banks to avoid taxes in the USA? All this at the same time that they were sending massive amounts of money to politicians who devised the very rules that they have so assiduously avoided. We have several vulgarities for people like that.”


33 posted on 03/10/2014 8:50:52 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The billionaires club is disappointed that the Global Warming/Climate Change scam has fallen through (thanks to mother nature not cooperating). They spent decades (since the 70s) whipping up the state of fear in soccer moms that we were all going to die if we did not hand over the industrial base to them based on pseudo-science (which they have funded) and corporate media (which they own).

This green push to hijack the industrial base was necessary for one reason: they needed an unsolvable world-wide problem to create a global tax base to fund a global government. These are the same guys that obsess over zero population growth and promote abortion 24/7. In their minds, we are all useless breathers taking up their precious resources. By the way, the number of billionaires is at an all time high (a few thousand). I guess this is what happens when they get bored and sit around wanting to “shape” the world because they have to much resources and time on their hands.


34 posted on 03/10/2014 8:51:20 AM PDT by Gen-X-Dad
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To: dangerdoc

Richard Branson owns an airline, he travels all over the world. His “carbon footprint” makes him Bigfoot.


35 posted on 03/10/2014 8:53:06 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: a fool in paradise

The history of science is that the consensus is wrong. Think about it, if the consensus was never wrong there would be no progress. The stupidest comment in the world is to claim that science is a popularity poll and the debate is over (i.e. Al Gore, a C student in college). Many times in history, a devoted individual who was ostracized by the scientific community was proven right in the end. Unfortunately, it often happens after they are long gone.


36 posted on 03/10/2014 8:55:43 AM PDT by Gen-X-Dad
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To: Cincinatus

Don’t forgot those flat earthers either.


37 posted on 03/10/2014 8:57:30 AM PDT by Kozy
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To: dangerdoc

Hey Dick and Tim!!

Do you think you know more on this subject than Dr. Roy Spencer?

Dr. Roy is pretty clear that your “97% agree” citation IS PURE B.S.!

>http://www.drroyspencer.com/my-global-warming-skepticism-for-dummies/<


38 posted on 03/10/2014 8:59:30 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Grampa Dave

I use Apple products because I find them better and easier to use than other company’s offerings. Now, just exactly how would I be supporting a company that did NOT push leftist dogma by using Microsoft, Dell, HP or just about any other? Are any of Apple’s competitors NOT manufacturing in China, or supporting gay marriage, or pushing for gun control?


39 posted on 03/10/2014 9:10:31 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: hoagy62

Don’t buy or support their products / services.


40 posted on 03/10/2014 9:14:14 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: dangerdoc

Climate fanatics are entitled to their climate scientists, and foolish beliefs. I believe the guys who say humans could burn up the remaining fossil fuels on earth, and it wouldn’t raise the average temperature more than around 1.5 degrees. Big whoop, and for that modern civilization must crawl to a stop for lack of dependable and abundant energy. Let Branson suck on his rotten Chinese eggs.


41 posted on 03/10/2014 9:15:17 AM PDT by pallis
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To: a fool in paradise

Branson seems to lack understanding of what the word “data” means. Opinion is not data, beliefs are not data, and if a high percentage of people believe in Jinns and witchcraft, which is the case in Saudi Arabia among other places, is that supporting data too? If Mr. Branson is so concerned about the effects of a carbon cycle which keeps his skinny a** animated then he should do the right thing and remove himself from tat system. And for argument sake he may consider that opinion of mine as a data point too.


42 posted on 03/10/2014 9:24:04 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I have not seen any other major companies declare that if you do not agree with their “religion”, they would just as soon you not invest in their companies. It documents a level of commitment to their belief that in my opinion is disturbing.

This is right up their with governors declaring conservatives don’t have a place in their state.

You are dealing with a mindset that is consistent with jack boots and gas chambers.


43 posted on 03/10/2014 9:25:18 AM PDT by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I recently bought my first Windows laptop in years. I prefer the Mac OS but I actually like Win 8. I just use it for web stuff however and spend most of my time on the desktop side. So I’m not saying that other companies haven’t been doing the same, just that Apple gets a pass ‘cause they “care” so much. And they’re geniuses.

I used to defend Apple but only as a viable OS. And I found cult-like behavior on both sides, but much like the Dems vs Repubs, Apple is the darling right now so everyone fawns.

Limbaugh is another story. They won’t ever run ads on his show, but I guarantee, he gets plenty of perks. These old conservatives who can find nothing wrong with an entity as long as it has the letters INC after their name are relics.

They’ve told us for decades that “BIG BUSINESS” was sacrosanct even as more and more businesses were putting their money behind the Dems. Something wrong when you defend a company for years as they pour chemicals by the ton into the air and water only to find out that they gave all their cash to the Democrats and sent all their jobs overseas.


44 posted on 03/10/2014 9:30:05 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Viva Perot)
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To: Cincinatus
I guess that was compelling then too.

More recently, as in within the past 3 generations. .....4 out of 5 docs recommended non-filter Camels.

Consensus never equals good science.

45 posted on 03/10/2014 9:38:18 AM PDT by wbill
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To: dangerdoc
Branson's Virgin Galactic suborbital joyrides, if they ever happen, will be powered by a rocket that burns rubber powder.

But that's OK because Innovation.

46 posted on 03/10/2014 9:47:12 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Cincinatus

The most telling part of his statement is that he flat out states that a poll of scholars is compelling data.

Why isn’t the climate data itself compelling, Mr. Branson?


47 posted on 03/10/2014 9:48:22 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: dangerdoc

“Microsoft’s position on climate change remains unchanged. Microsoft believes climate change is a serious issue that demands immediate, worldwide attention and we are acting accordingly. We are pursuing strategies and taking actions that are consistent with a strong commitment to reducing our own impact as well as the impact of our products. In addition, Microsoft has adopted a broad policy statement on climate change that expresses support for government action to create market-based mechanisms to address climate change.”

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/02/16/426351/microsoft-disavows-heartland-institutes-climate-denial-says-contributions-just-free-software-licenses/


48 posted on 03/10/2014 10:01:31 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

So where is the repudiation of deniers?

I only see Apple and Branson saying that if you are a denier, (modern version of heretic) they don’t want your business.

At least Branson didn’t mumble his way through the statement.


49 posted on 03/10/2014 10:39:17 AM PDT by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: hoagy62

Not hard at all. Much of their corporate wealth comes directly from the US government, and the US economy, even though they pay the multinational game and say they can operate in the US but not pay US taxes.

So the way to punish them is to “level the playing field”.

No more taxpayer money to them for “the sweetness of their smiles”. If they want to sell things to the USG, let them compete fairly with others. With the provision that “you do business in the US, you pay US taxes off your US profits.”

Nothing unfair in that at all, but if it was proposed, such scoundrels would squeal like stuck pigs.

The next way to punish them is by either outlawing or regulating “gambling” investment markets in the US, or at least strip them of any government underwriting of their shady deals. If they gamble and lose $50 trillion, then it is up to them to make it up to their creditors. If they can’t, of course, then they are bankrupt.

The mistake the Democrats intentionally make is to suggest that their taxes should be raised to punish them. That has never worked and never can work, because they only pay bare minimum taxes right now.

So the spigot has to be turned off of the money flowing to them in the first place, especially if it is unfair market advantage money.


50 posted on 03/10/2014 11:25:28 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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