Skip to comments.Teen self-defense expert expelled, jailed,all because of a pocketknife
Posted on 03/11/2014 6:56:30 AM PDT by Rusty0604
An Ohio high school student training to be an EMT was charged with a felony and sent to jail for 13 days because police found a pocketknife during an unauthorized search of his car.
I didnt think anything of the Airsoft guns, said Wiser in a statement. Our school is a technical school, and I was planning on meeting with my Airsoft team after school. My stun gun was locked in the glove box, and the knife was in my EMT medical vest. I bought it at K-Mart and have it as part of my first responder kit for cutting seatbelts.
The pocketknife violates the school districts zero tolerance policy against bringing weapons onto school property a class 5 felony.
He is worried that a conviction will destroy his chance at a career in public service. Indeed, he has already been expelled from high school and technical school, and had his participation in the U.S. Armys Future Soldiers program terminated.
As a condition of his release from jail, he was given an ankle monitor and ordered to remove all weapons from his house. Most curiously of all, he was told to have no further contact with his grandfather, who is dying of cancer.
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I would ignore said judge. And they could have my guns if they could find them.
I suppose the kitchen staff will have to be charged as well.
Zero common sense strikes again to destroy another life over a trivial matter.
He’s 18. This is a “school district rule” violation, not a general law. How can the judges be so insane? If he wasn’t in school, all of this would have been perfectly legal.
Ridiculous as it is, why isn’t it a school discipline problem and not a state court/felony matter?
more information needed.
A felony permanently prohibits him from owning firearms for life.
Furthermore, while it is easy enough to criticize the school or the judge for the policy of the conviction, note that the Army has also terminated his program, meaning that the Army itself is taking this criminal charge at face value.
He just hit the jackpot.
“zero tolerance policy against bringing weapons onto school property a class 5 felony.”
Is ANY knife a felony? I don’t see that the article listed the size of the knife. I assume if he bought it at K-Mart, it was a fairly basic pocket knife...?
My kid brought a knife to school a few years ago, and showed it off to some friends. The school was reasonable about it. No arrest, ankle bracelets, felony records, etc. Its still a crazy world where they can’t even have a knife (this was a leatherman/swiss army kind of contraption), but at least they didn’t go bonkers over it.
crazed with power
I've carried a pocket knife since I was a little kid, through grade school, jr and senior high. Most kids did.
Fast forward to 2014, I use my Spyderco EDC at least once a day, usually for opening something in plastic or as a letter opener, nothing as noble as an EMT does cutting seat belts, but I use it every day.
Do you think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken.
Theres no way to rule innocent men. The only power the government has is the power to crack down on criminals.
Well, when there arent enough criminals one makes them.
One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957
I shoulda been tossed on that basis alone. But notice how big a car is, how much kinetic energy it can deliver onto a target, that it carries a flammable substance called gasoline. It is a far, far deadlier weapon than that knife. Why don't the schools have a zero tolerance policy against such deadly things on campus? Because the administrators themselves need to use them, so they're "Reasonable" about it.
Maybe it will eventually be tossed on those grounds, if he has the funds for an appeal. But the cost of that alone is arbitrary tyrannical punishment.
Jordan Wiser, an 18-year-old student at Ashtabula County Technical and Career Campus in Jefferson, Ohio, is an EMT trainee with a passion for self-defense and public service.
...Ashtabula County assistant prosecutor Harold Specht...
The school can be contacted here. One contact number is given as 440-576-6015. Still searching for further contact information, and the names of these unnamed "administrators."
Bingo! A piece of pipe is a piece of pipe until it’s used as a weapon. I can kill someone with my car key, a rock, a piece of wood, a piece of glass.... Or my hands and feet. None are weapons until they are used as a weapon. Government is making men into puss*es... Meanwhile a family is forced to huddle behind their bedroom door, because of their cat.. Mission accomplished.
There are two goals of “zero tolerance”.
One is to remove any liability issues from any school staff member that would dare use his own common sense and discretion for an individual case.
The other is to “equalize discipline”. It’s unfair that the “straight arrow” kids don’t get punished as much as the “prison bound” kids.
“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on guilt.”
From “Atlas Shrugged,” by Ayn Rand (1957)
America has lost its damned mind.
“ordered to remove all weapons from his house”
They want the steak knives too?
It’s all microwavable trays now. I bet the only knife they have in the kitchen is a box cutter.
Given the choice, other than a firearm, for something to defend myself a pocket knife would be the very low on the list. A tire iron, baseball bat, 2’ level, or shovel would all work better than a knife.
I have a huge cast iron frying pan that could inflict some damage.
What about students in the Culinary Arts (cooking) program where an assortment of knives is required?
Arresting honest, normal, non-violent people and deliberately ignoring violent criminals.
This way they get the arrest numbers up without ever being in any danger.
Then they can get on TV and say they are arresting criminals.
No. They are declaring innocent people to be criminals, while willfully, intentionally, with full awareness and knowledge, leaving hardened criminals to commit their crimes.
Government school is adult abuse as well as child abuse.
Was that not what the 9/11 hijackers used? Seems pretty "weapon-like" to me. Arrest them all, I say.
I have to say...while these administrators are out of their farking minds, this kid seems bright enough to know better. If he wanted a tool to cut seat belts, there are specific tools that are designed for that. An 18 year old who has been paying attention to the kind of crap going on around this nation in the past few years...should not have had any knife on him at all when on school grounds.
IN HIS CAR?????
We are seriously so screwed....
I recommend we make ourselves be heard.
Ashtabula County Technical and Career Center
Bylaws & Policies
5772 - WEAPONS
The Board of Education prohibits students from possessing, storing, making, or using a weapon, including a concealed weapon, in a school safety zone and any setting that is under the control and supervision of the Board for the purpose of school activities approved and authorized by the Board including, but not limited to, property leased, owned, or contracted for by the Board, a school-sponsored event, or in a Board-owned vehicle.
The term “weapon” means any object which, in the manner in which it is used, is intended to be used, or is represented, is capable of inflicting serious bodily harm or property damage, as well as endangering the health and safety of persons. Weapons include, but are not limited to, firearms, guns of any type whatsoever, including air and gas-powered guns (whether loaded or unloaded), knives, razors, clubs, electric weapons, metallic knuckles, martial arts weapons, ammunition, and explosives.
Policy exceptions include items pre-approved by the building director as part of a class or individual presentation under adult supervision, if used for the purpose and in the manner approved (working firearms and any ammunition will never be approved as a part of a presentation).
Students shall report any information concerning weapons and/or threats of violence by students, staff members, or visitors to the principal. Failure to report such information may subject the student to disciplinary action.
This policy shall be implemented through the Code of Conduct/Student Discipline Code, Policy 5610, and Policy 5610.01, and through administrative guidelines.
The Superintendent is authorized to establish instructional programs on the weapons and the requirement that students immediately report knowledge of weapons and threats of violence by students and/or staff to the principal. Failure to report such knowledge may subject the student to discipline.
The Superintendent will refer any student who violates this policy to the student’s parents or guardians and to the criminal justice or juvenile delinquency system. The student may also be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including expulsion.
This policy will be published annually in all District student and staff handbooks. Publication is not a precondition to enforcement of this policy.
R.C. 2923.12, 2923.122, 3313.20, 3313.66, 3313.661
18 U.S.C. 921, 20 U.S.C. 8922, 20 U.S.C. 7151
It’s also a way of lowering the minority felon ratio in order to not bo investigated by the DoJ.
I wonder if the prosecution can get this by a jury?
“He is worried that a conviction will destroy his chance at a career in public service”
What party was he registered to? What were his goals in public service?
If I have a database with enough personal information, I can deselect potential opposition candidates before they even think of running, like how google uses predictive modeling for advertising targeting.
But if I did that, there would be cases where people say, huh? That’s over the top, insane, that response makes NO sense whatsoever.
Jordan Wiser, an 18-year-old student at Ashtabula County Technical and Career Campus in Jefferson, Ohio, is an EMT trainee with a passion for self-defense and public service. He aspires to be a firefighter, and is a certified emergency vehicle operator. Wiser is comfortable with weapons, and posts Youtube videos of himself talking about law enforcement, self-defense and video games.
Apparently, school administrators caught wind of the videos, which led them to believe that Wiser was in possession of weapons, according to the Huffington Post.
They didn't expel and arrest him because he had a pocketknife in his car. They expelled and arrested him because they looked at his online videos and decided that he was an Undesirable. The pocketknife was just the pretext they were looking for.
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That’s “Goal #2” of “Zero Tolerance”.
When I was a freshman in high school, everyone had rifles (M1 Garands) for JROTC.
How does such crazyness get so embedded at so many levels of society and government?
Thanks libs! Society is much safer now. If you are trapped in a burning car in a school zone, your First Responders will have to leave their knives and crash axes (aka “weapons”) outside of the Red Zone.
I had a son who was suspended in school for bringing a toy gun to school. This was back in the 1980s, when all of this nonsense started.
This “gun” looked like the sort I would have seen in the 1950s on the “Captain Video” TV show, a cheesy outer space voyager series. IOW, this blue, soft plastic gun looked about as much like an actual firearm as the bitten Pop-Tart that got a youngster in trouble some time ago.
As for the victim of this story, I can only conclude that he does not belong to one of the protected groups.
Lame, IT'S A TOOL. By the reasoning above, Conn. gun owners SHOULD register all their "illegal" weapons, because it's the law and the state is threatening to knock doors down to confiscate them. After, all if they were paying attention to this crap they'd know better than to tempt bad law and policy.
I am not a litigious person by nature. in this case, though, I hope this young man financially breaks the people who put him through this.
I wonder if this young man and his family can be helped by one of the conservative law groups that champion cases of the trampling of Constitutional rights.
Or, given enough of the facts, perhaps a FReeper will organize a fundraiser for his legal fees.
The other is to equalize discipline. Its unfair that the straight arrow kids dont get punished as much as the prison bound kids.
Post of the day!
My two boys have over 100 knives, two shotguns, a couple bows, several bb guns and at least one sword within 50 feet of them anytime they are in school. And that’s just their stuff.
I belonged to a rifle club at my high school circa 1960.
Wrong. 'By the reasoning above' as you stated, a responsible gun owner, with his head on his shoulders and not up his arse, should not carry his piece into a bar if the law disallows it.
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