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Teen self-defense expert expelled, jailed,all because of a pocketknife
Daily Caller ^ | 03/10/2014 | Robby Soave

Posted on 03/11/2014 6:56:30 AM PDT by Rusty0604

An Ohio high school student training to be an EMT was charged with a felony and sent to jail for 13 days because police found a pocketknife during an unauthorized search of his car.

“I didn’t think anything of the Airsoft guns,” said Wiser in a statement. “Our school is a technical school, and I was planning on meeting with my Airsoft team after school. My stun gun was locked in the glove box, and the knife was in my EMT medical vest. I bought it at K-Mart and have it as part of my first responder kit for cutting seatbelts.”

The pocketknife violates the school district’s zero tolerance policy against bringing weapons onto school property — a class 5 felony.

He is worried that a conviction will destroy his chance at a career in public service. Indeed, he has already been expelled from high school and technical school, and had his participation in the U.S. Army’s Future Soldiers program terminated.

As a condition of his release from jail, he was given an ankle monitor and ordered to remove all weapons from his house. Most curiously of all, he was told to have no further contact with his grandfather, who is dying of cancer.

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1 posted on 03/11/2014 6:56:30 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

I would ignore said judge. And they could have my guns if they could find them.


2 posted on 03/11/2014 6:59:01 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Rusty0604

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3 posted on 03/11/2014 6:59:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What, oh what is this thing called 'Stupid'?)
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To: Resolute Conservative
The pocketknife violates the school district’s zero tolerance policy against bringing weapons onto school property

I suppose the kitchen staff will have to be charged as well.

4 posted on 03/11/2014 7:00:19 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Rusty0604

Zero common sense strikes again to destroy another life over a trivial matter.


5 posted on 03/11/2014 7:01:11 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Rusty0604

He’s 18. This is a “school district rule” violation, not a general law. How can the judges be so insane? If he wasn’t in school, all of this would have been perfectly legal.

Ridiculous as it is, why isn’t it a school discipline problem and not a state court/felony matter?


6 posted on 03/11/2014 7:02:11 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: All

more information needed.


7 posted on 03/11/2014 7:02:21 AM PDT by I_Publius
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To: Rusty0604
Zero Tolerance = Zero Common Sense.
A pocket knife is a TOOL. It's not a weapon until used as such.
Any tool can be used as a weapon. Even pencils. Are they banned too?

8 posted on 03/11/2014 7:02:29 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Rusty0604

A felony permanently prohibits him from owning firearms for life.

Furthermore, while it is easy enough to criticize the school or the judge for the policy of the conviction, note that the Army has also terminated his program, meaning that the Army itself is taking this criminal charge at face value.


9 posted on 03/11/2014 7:06:29 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan

He just hit the jackpot.


10 posted on 03/11/2014 7:09:05 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: Rusty0604

“zero tolerance policy against bringing weapons onto school property — a class 5 felony.”

Is ANY knife a felony? I don’t see that the article listed the size of the knife. I assume if he bought it at K-Mart, it was a fairly basic pocket knife...?

My kid brought a knife to school a few years ago, and showed it off to some friends. The school was reasonable about it. No arrest, ankle bracelets, felony records, etc. Its still a crazy world where they can’t even have a knife (this was a leatherman/swiss army kind of contraption), but at least they didn’t go bonkers over it.


11 posted on 03/11/2014 7:10:24 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Rusty0604

Utter nonsense.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 7:10:29 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: Rusty0604

dimwits

evil

stupid

crazed with power

dimwits


13 posted on 03/11/2014 7:13:00 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Rusty0604
A class 5 felony insanity in Ohio.

I've carried a pocket knife since I was a little kid, through grade school, jr and senior high. Most kids did.

Fast forward to 2014, I use my Spyderco EDC at least once a day, usually for opening something in plastic or as a letter opener, nothing as noble as an EMT does cutting seat belts, but I use it every day.

“Do you think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken.
There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power the government has is the power to crack down on criminals.
Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them.
One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
– Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957

14 posted on 03/11/2014 7:13:19 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Rusty0604
found during the unauthorized search of his car.

I shoulda been tossed on that basis alone. But notice how big a car is, how much kinetic energy it can deliver onto a target, that it carries a flammable substance called gasoline. It is a far, far deadlier weapon than that knife. Why don't the schools have a zero tolerance policy against such deadly things on campus? Because the administrators themselves need to use them, so they're "Reasonable" about it.

15 posted on 03/11/2014 7:16:32 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Maybe it will eventually be tossed on those grounds, if he has the funds for an appeal. But the cost of that alone is arbitrary tyrannical punishment.


16 posted on 03/11/2014 7:20:25 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Rusty0604
From the article:

Jordan Wiser, an 18-year-old student at Ashtabula County Technical and Career Campus in Jefferson, Ohio, is an EMT trainee with a passion for self-defense and public service.

...

...Ashtabula County assistant prosecutor Harold Specht...

The school can be contacted here. One contact number is given as 440-576-6015. Still searching for further contact information, and the names of these unnamed "administrators."

17 posted on 03/11/2014 7:21:28 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: BitWielder1

Bingo! A piece of pipe is a piece of pipe until it’s used as a weapon. I can kill someone with my car key, a rock, a piece of wood, a piece of glass.... Or my hands and feet. None are weapons until they are used as a weapon. Government is making men into puss*es... Meanwhile a family is forced to huddle behind their bedroom door, because of their cat.. Mission accomplished.


18 posted on 03/11/2014 7:21:34 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Oberon
Oh, here's something.

Jerome Brockway
Superintendent

19 posted on 03/11/2014 7:23:04 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Oberon
Here's the guy...
20 posted on 03/11/2014 7:24:23 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

There are two goals of “zero tolerance”.
One is to remove any liability issues from any school staff member that would dare use his own common sense and discretion for an individual case.

The other is to “equalize discipline”. It’s unfair that the “straight arrow” kids don’t get punished as much as the “prison bound” kids.


21 posted on 03/11/2014 7:27:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Rusty0604

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on guilt.”

From “Atlas Shrugged,” by Ayn Rand (1957)


22 posted on 03/11/2014 7:27:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: Rusty0604

America has lost its damned mind.


23 posted on 03/11/2014 7:30:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Rusty0604

“ordered to remove all weapons from his house”

They want the steak knives too?


24 posted on 03/11/2014 7:32:41 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: rjsimmon

It’s all microwavable trays now. I bet the only knife they have in the kitchen is a box cutter.


25 posted on 03/11/2014 7:33:35 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: baddog 219

Given the choice, other than a firearm, for something to defend myself a pocket knife would be the very low on the list. A tire iron, baseball bat, 2’ level, or shovel would all work better than a knife.


26 posted on 03/11/2014 7:33:48 AM PDT by WinMod70
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To: WinMod70

I have a huge cast iron frying pan that could inflict some damage.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 7:40:37 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: BitWielder1
What about rocks? They could be used as weapons and probably were at one time or another. So we have to ban geology!

What about students in the Culinary Arts (cooking) program where an assortment of knives is required?

28 posted on 03/11/2014 7:41:52 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Rusty0604

Arresting honest, normal, non-violent people and deliberately ignoring violent criminals.

This way they get the arrest numbers up without ever being in any danger.

Then they can get on TV and say they are arresting criminals.

No. They are declaring innocent people to be criminals, while willfully, intentionally, with full awareness and knowledge, leaving hardened criminals to commit their crimes.


29 posted on 03/11/2014 7:42:06 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Rusty0604

Government school is adult abuse as well as child abuse.


30 posted on 03/11/2014 7:42:36 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Boogieman
It’s all microwavable trays now. I bet the only knife they have in the kitchen is a box cutter.

Was that not what the 9/11 hijackers used? Seems pretty "weapon-like" to me. Arrest them all, I say.

31 posted on 03/11/2014 7:46:36 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Rusty0604
"I bought it at K-Mart and have it as part of my first responder kit for cutting seat belts.”

I have to say...while these administrators are out of their farking minds, this kid seems bright enough to know better. If he wanted a tool to cut seat belts, there are specific tools that are designed for that. An 18 year old who has been paying attention to the kind of crap going on around this nation in the past few years...should not have had any knife on him at all when on school grounds.

32 posted on 03/11/2014 7:48:06 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: Rusty0604

IN HIS CAR?????
A pocketknife????

We are seriously so screwed....


33 posted on 03/11/2014 7:48:33 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I posted the name of the school, the superintendent, and the assistant county prosecutor at issue, along with such contact info was available. I'm sure we've got at least one Ohio freeper who can scare up better contact info for these bozos.

I recommend we make ourselves be heard.

34 posted on 03/11/2014 7:50:16 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: reg45

Ashtabula County Technical and Career Center
Bylaws & Policies

5772 - WEAPONS

The Board of Education prohibits students from possessing, storing, making, or using a weapon, including a concealed weapon, in a school safety zone and any setting that is under the control and supervision of the Board for the purpose of school activities approved and authorized by the Board including, but not limited to, property leased, owned, or contracted for by the Board, a school-sponsored event, or in a Board-owned vehicle.

The term “weapon” means any object which, in the manner in which it is used, is intended to be used, or is represented, is capable of inflicting serious bodily harm or property damage, as well as endangering the health and safety of persons. Weapons include, but are not limited to, firearms, guns of any type whatsoever, including air and gas-powered guns (whether loaded or unloaded), knives, razors, clubs, electric weapons, metallic knuckles, martial arts weapons, ammunition, and explosives.

Policy exceptions include items pre-approved by the building director as part of a class or individual presentation under adult supervision, if used for the purpose and in the manner approved (working firearms and any ammunition will never be approved as a part of a presentation).

Students shall report any information concerning weapons and/or threats of violence by students, staff members, or visitors to the principal. Failure to report such information may subject the student to disciplinary action.

This policy shall be implemented through the Code of Conduct/Student Discipline Code, Policy 5610, and Policy 5610.01, and through administrative guidelines.

The Superintendent is authorized to establish instructional programs on the weapons and the requirement that students immediately report knowledge of weapons and threats of violence by students and/or staff to the principal. Failure to report such knowledge may subject the student to discipline.

The Superintendent will refer any student who violates this policy to the student’s parents or guardians and to the criminal justice or juvenile delinquency system. The student may also be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including expulsion.

This policy will be published annually in all District student and staff handbooks. Publication is not a precondition to enforcement of this policy.

R.C. 2923.12, 2923.122, 3313.20, 3313.66, 3313.661
18 U.S.C. 921, 20 U.S.C. 8922, 20 U.S.C. 7151

Revised 5/21/01
Revised 2/17/03
Revised 6/21/04


35 posted on 03/11/2014 7:51:02 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: I want the USA back

It’s also a way of lowering the minority felon ratio in order to not bo investigated by the DoJ.


36 posted on 03/11/2014 7:51:02 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Rusty0604
It reads like this is a pre trial release.

I wonder if the prosecution can get this by a jury?

37 posted on 03/11/2014 7:51:44 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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“He is worried that a conviction will destroy his chance at a career in public service”

What party was he registered to? What were his goals in public service?

If I have a database with enough personal information, I can deselect potential opposition candidates before they even think of running, like how google uses predictive modeling for advertising targeting.

But if I did that, there would be cases where people say, huh? That’s over the top, insane, that response makes NO sense whatsoever.


38 posted on 03/11/2014 7:52:58 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: HereInTheHeartland
So here's the bigger picture, from the Daily Caller article:

Jordan Wiser, an 18-year-old student at Ashtabula County Technical and Career Campus in Jefferson, Ohio, is an EMT trainee with a passion for self-defense and public service. He aspires to be a firefighter, and is a certified emergency vehicle operator. Wiser is comfortable with weapons, and posts Youtube videos of himself talking about law enforcement, self-defense and video games.

Apparently, school administrators caught wind of the videos, which led them to believe that Wiser was in possession of weapons, according to the Huffington Post.

They didn't expel and arrest him because he had a pocketknife in his car. They expelled and arrested him because they looked at his online videos and decided that he was an Undesirable. The pocketknife was just the pretext they were looking for.

39 posted on 03/11/2014 7:53:49 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: reg45

bo = be


40 posted on 03/11/2014 7:55:22 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45

That’s “Goal #2” of “Zero Tolerance”.


41 posted on 03/11/2014 7:59:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: reg45

When I was a freshman in high school, everyone had rifles (M1 Garands) for JROTC.


42 posted on 03/11/2014 8:00:10 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Rusty0604

How does such crazyness get so embedded at so many levels of society and government?

Thanks libs! Society is much safer now. If you are trapped in a burning car in a school zone, your First Responders will have to leave their knives and crash axes (aka “weapons”) outside of the Red Zone.


43 posted on 03/11/2014 8:55:42 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: lacrew

I had a son who was suspended in school for bringing a toy gun to school. This was back in the 1980s, when all of this nonsense started.

This “gun” looked like the sort I would have seen in the 1950s on the “Captain Video” TV show, a cheesy outer space voyager series. IOW, this blue, soft plastic gun looked about as much like an actual firearm as the bitten Pop-Tart that got a youngster in trouble some time ago.

As for the victim of this story, I can only conclude that he does not belong to one of the protected groups.


44 posted on 03/11/2014 8:58:45 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I have to say...while these administrators are out of their farking minds, this kid seems bright enough to know better. If he wanted a tool to cut seat belts, there are specific tools that are designed for that. An 18 year old who has been paying attention to the kind of crap going on around this nation in the past few years...should not have had any knife on him at all when on school grounds.

Lame, IT'S A TOOL. By the reasoning above, Conn. gun owners SHOULD register all their "illegal" weapons, because it's the law and the state is threatening to knock doors down to confiscate them. After, all if they were paying attention to this crap they'd know better than to tempt bad law and policy.

I am not a litigious person by nature. in this case, though, I hope this young man financially breaks the people who put him through this.

45 posted on 03/11/2014 8:58:53 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I wonder if this young man and his family can be helped by one of the conservative law groups that champion cases of the trampling of Constitutional rights.

Or, given enough of the facts, perhaps a FReeper will organize a fundraiser for his legal fees.


46 posted on 03/11/2014 9:02:07 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: MrB

The other is to “equalize discipline”. It’s unfair that the “straight arrow” kids don’t get punished as much as the “prison bound” kids.

(((
Post of the day!


47 posted on 03/11/2014 9:04:47 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Rusty0604

My two boys have over 100 knives, two shotguns, a couple bows, several bb guns and at least one sword within 50 feet of them anytime they are in school. And that’s just their stuff.


48 posted on 03/11/2014 9:05:27 AM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-I'm gone. Walk Worthy-traillifeusa.com)
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To: reg45

I belonged to a rifle club at my high school circa 1960.


49 posted on 03/11/2014 10:15:03 AM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: Turbo Pig
By the reasoning above, Conn. gun owners SHOULD register all their "illegal" weapons,

Wrong. 'By the reasoning above' as you stated, a responsible gun owner, with his head on his shoulders and not up his arse, should not carry his piece into a bar if the law disallows it.

50 posted on 03/11/2014 10:17:53 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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