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Europe wants its Parmesan back, seeks name change
Associated Press ^ | Mar 11, 2014 2:35 PM EDT | Mary Clare Jalonick

Posted on 03/11/2014 12:22:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Would Parmesan by any other name be as tasty atop your pasta? A ripening trade battle might put that to the test.

As part of trade talks, the European Union wants to ban the use of European names like Parmesan, feta and Gruyère on cheese made in the United States.

The argument is that the American-made cheeses are shadows of the original European varieties and cut into sales and identity of the European cheeses. The Europeans say Parmesan should only come from Parma, Italy, not those familiar green cylinders that American companies sell. Feta should only be from Greece, even though feta isn’t a place. The EU argues it “is so closely connected to Greece as to be identified as an inherently Greek product.”

So, a little “hard-grated cheese” for your pasta? It doesn’t have quite the same ring as Parmesan. …

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They tried this garbage going back as far as a dozen years ago. These micromanaging totalitarians need to be put in their place, but the current DC administration is too much in love with them.
1 posted on 03/11/2014 12:22:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

All they need to do is add the suffix “Style” to the product and that would end it....(pun intended!)


2 posted on 03/11/2014 12:26:59 PM PDT by Banjoguy
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To: Olog-hai
How is this different from Congress granting copyright monopolies in-perpetuity to members of the big-government/big-corporate crony-fascist complex?
3 posted on 03/11/2014 12:27:10 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: Olog-hai

the earlier tirade against Americans using generic terms....for cheese..”sounded” awfully familiar.

have they no expectations of being capable of dealing with the real issues of the day over there??


4 posted on 03/11/2014 12:29:08 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: Olog-hai

ok. They can buy all their potato chips from America, and never call them “crisps”. And no cheap imitations of Coke or Pepsi, either. They come from America, or they are not really “cola”.


5 posted on 03/11/2014 12:29:10 PM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Olog-hai

Having tasted Parmigiano-Reggiano, I certainly cannot disagree with them regarding the coarse powder in green cans passed off as parmesan in this country.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 12:29:53 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'm not anti-government, government's anti-me.)
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To: Olog-hai

I’d rather eat Locateli brand Pecorino Romano then Parmesan.


7 posted on 03/11/2014 12:30:10 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Now you know where Congress learned it.


8 posted on 03/11/2014 12:30:19 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

that stuff in the green cylinder is not cheese, its a cheese-like substance.


9 posted on 03/11/2014 12:30:57 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds like they’d be better to have European producers of cheese spend their money on education of (American) world consumers rather than trying to “ban” an name through government regulations. Ah but the Europeans are socialists/fascist these days (even if they won’t admit it). They don’t really believe in the free-market!


10 posted on 03/11/2014 12:32:03 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Olog-hai

Sorry Surrender Monkeys... All your cheese belong to us.


11 posted on 03/11/2014 12:33:07 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Olog-hai

This word banning could go both ways. I wonder how many iconic American words they’ve absconded and put on their products.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 12:38:53 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Olog-hai

We can easily fix this. Stop all imports of the products we also make here, so American consumers would know that their Swiss was really American.

That should make them happy over in the EU!


13 posted on 03/11/2014 12:39:04 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Olog-hai
Europeans say Parmesan should only come from Parma, Italy

We beat Italy in WWII. Spoils of war.

14 posted on 03/11/2014 12:39:38 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
How is this different from Congress granting copyright monopolies in-perpetuity to members of the big-government/big-corporate crony-fascist complex?

Cough, Cough...

Disney, cough cough...

15 posted on 03/11/2014 12:39:50 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Olog-hai

I’m fortunate to have a coop food store near us that sells imported cheeses. Of course, most of them are far better than their factory-farm American imitations. Not necessarily better than some of the local Vermont cheeses—but different.

In any case, it’s easy enough to tell the difference from the label. People who buy Kraft cheese aren’t about to buy Italian Parmeggiano. And others are unwilling to pay the difference in price. And of course a lot of markets just don’t carry imported cheeses, because they don’t have enough customers willing to pay for the extra trouble and expense.

I’m a great fan of Stilton. But I no longer buy it, because it’s too damned expensive.


16 posted on 03/11/2014 12:45:32 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Olog-hai

so we’ll make Parmesan in Parma, Ohio. Problem solved.


17 posted on 03/11/2014 12:46:55 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Olog-hai
Screw Europe.

If not for the US and our dollar, not to mention a lot of soldier's lives, the whole of Europe would be floundering in communism and the nazi lifestyle.

And the most damned arrogant and most ungrateful of them all, Germany, has damn sure forgot who saved their butts.

To hell with them.

But that damned traitor in the White Hut will roll over and issue an Executive Order for whatever the hell it is they want.

18 posted on 03/11/2014 12:47:18 PM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: Olog-hai

OK with me. Now it’s Spaghetti cheese, Smushy cheese, Gooey cheese, Holey cheese.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 12:47:38 PM PDT by polymuser
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To: Olog-hai

...and football can no longer be called football?


20 posted on 03/11/2014 12:48:09 PM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Having tasted Parmigiano-Reggiano,
The king of cheese, right there. It takes a twelve year apprenticeship to be allowed to make it.
21 posted on 03/11/2014 12:49:10 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Don't tell me, I'll tell you.)
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To: polymuser

I don’t think they’re going to let us use “spaghetti”. I propose “little skinny noodles you Eurofascist jerks” as a replacement.


22 posted on 03/11/2014 12:50:16 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: GraceG; E. Pluribus Unum

The best way to address copyright and patent law is “use it or lose it”.

In effect, making it like the General Mining Act of 1872, which basically said that anyone could stake a claim anywhere, but you had to either invest $500 a year in improving that claim, or recover $500 in profit from it, *or* you would lose your claim. It was a huge success and having mines all over the place was a huge boon to America.

As far as copyright and patent law go, there are vast numbers of companies that own copyrights and patents, but never use them, and sue anyone else who uses a similar idea. And this is a terrible burden on innovation and business and hurts our economy.

Disney is a good example of how this new law would work.

Right now, their character Mickey Mouse is worth a fortune to them every year. They use it frequently, and they defend their copyright. Therefore they should legitimately be able to keep their copyright.

However, they also own the rights to the movie Song of the South, which they did sell, but no longer sell, nor will they allow anyone else to sell. Since they are refusing to do so, they should lose their copyright protections for it, so others could sell their movie.

Taken to the extreme, the copyright and patent industries have vast libraries of content and invention that they formerly sold, but now just library and do not retail. Some just because they don’t think they could make a profit from it.

So they need an ultimatum. “Either you sell it, or you lose your government protection, and somebody else can sell it. But you can no longer just sit on it.”


23 posted on 03/11/2014 12:59:21 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Olog-hai

Maybe call it Parmesham Cheese?


24 posted on 03/11/2014 1:05:32 PM PDT by unseelie
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To: Olog-hai

These wacky Old Worlders. It’s always something. Reminds me how the English banned the town of Stilton from making Stilton blue cheese.


25 posted on 03/11/2014 1:06:41 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I don't believe that copyright should be forever.

The problem with eternal copyrights is that big corporations wind up owning the shared culture, and you are not allowed to build on what went before and make it your own.

I say copyright should end with the death of the original author, or seventy years, whichever comes first.

People get sued for singing "Happy Birthday," for God's sake. That song should be in the public domain.

Walt Disney has been dead for fifty years. He got his fair share from his copyrights.

26 posted on 03/11/2014 1:10:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: dainbramaged

The mozzerella in Italy is one of my favorites.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 1:11:47 PM PDT by 12Gauge687
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To: Olog-hai

Are they also claiming rights to the term ‘Euroweenie’?


28 posted on 03/11/2014 1:19:15 PM PDT by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: RitchieAprile
that stuff in the green cylinder is not cheese, its a cheese-like substance.

I once had a cheese-like substance but a little medication cleared it up no problem!

(No idea if it tasted like Parmesan!)

29 posted on 03/11/2014 1:21:24 PM PDT by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: Olog-hai

“The argument is that the American-made cheeses are shadows of the original European varieties and cut into sales and identity of the European cheeses.”

If that argument is correct, then the European cheeses should have no problem beating the American knock-offs in the marketplace, without government assistance.


30 posted on 03/11/2014 1:24:14 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Buckeye McFrog

And push out the pierogi, chrome ball, and white socks factories? Ghoulardi, I mean Ernie Anderson, would roll in his grave.


31 posted on 03/11/2014 1:54:25 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I would see no argument with this as well, with the exception that 70 years is a recent extension, and is far longer than it should be.

Importantly, there are such vast quantities of library copyrights and patents, there would be a gigantic amount of content released all at once. So the value of entire genres of material would be tiny, unless they were value-added with superior editing, for example. Like Criterion Collection movies today.


32 posted on 03/11/2014 1:55:42 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Olog-hai; a fool in paradise
In certain cases I have to agree with 'em.


33 posted on 03/11/2014 1:57:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I think 70 is way too long as well. 25 years would be about right. Copyright was only intended to pay the creator during his lifetime.

They're always telling us how we didn't do anything on our own, but when they do something they say they did it on their own and they want to get paid for it forever.

34 posted on 03/11/2014 2:03:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: Olog-hai

No doubt a sore point with them — we should license the word “Internet” and every time they use he word they pay us a royalty.


35 posted on 03/11/2014 2:09:42 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Some years ago somebody noted that a lot of politicians recycle their speeches at dozens of events, using the same anecdotes, phrases, etc.

So why not copyright an opponents “catch phrases” out from underneath him, then send him cease and desist orders when he uses them again in public?

It would have to be tailored to avoid fair use, but it could have a huge nuisance factor on the campaign trail.


36 posted on 03/11/2014 2:19:10 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Cicero
Our trip to Costco around the holidays is always a lot of fun.

The smoked Gouda was wonderful last Christmas. Our chain supermarket's equivalent smoked Gouda was pitiful. There really is a difference!

My wife and I look pretty silly doing the below imitation (click on the below link) while we are searching through the cheeses. People probably think that we are weird. But we have a lot of fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7rzSslub6U

37 posted on 03/11/2014 2:19:12 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Back in the early days of the internet some schmuck here in town grabbed the domain “pittsburghpirates.com”. When the Pirates decided to start a website, he tried to hold them up for a king’s ransom. The team was actually incorporated as “Pittsburgh Baseball Club, Inc.” so he exploited the loophole.

The Pirates website was “pirateball.com” for a couple of seasons until MLB lawyers were able to sufficiently rattle this guy.


38 posted on 03/11/2014 2:22:56 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
No kidding. It sounds absolutely silly and insincere. Someone recently strung a bunch of Obama speeches together. The speeches were all exactly the same. Lol.

And apply that rule to News reporters, too. My wife and I have a running bet as which catch word or catch phrase the local news reports will use tonight. I joke to my wife that they must have a big bowl with all of the phrases written on pieces of paper. They reach in and grab one or two while they are writing the story.

39 posted on 03/11/2014 2:28:39 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Olog-hai

I prefer Romano, grated fresh. That stuff that comes in the green Kraft thing is not in the same league.


40 posted on 03/11/2014 2:32:03 PM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Lots of money in domain names if you get lucky.

I wonder if they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. :)

41 posted on 03/11/2014 2:35:11 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Having tasted Parmigiano-Reggiano, I certainly cannot disagree with them regarding the coarse powder in green cans passed off as parmesan in this country.

That's the key... The fact that you're eating "Parmigiano-Reggiano" gives it the unique, high quality flavor, just like "pecorino-romano," or "Maytag Bleu."

It's like saying that any cheese made outside of Europe can't be labeled "cheese" (with the exception of "Valenzuelan Beaver Cheese.")

Mark

42 posted on 03/11/2014 3:46:41 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Edward Teach

The Eurocrats are going after that stuff too. Can’t be made in the USA and named “Romano”, by them.


43 posted on 03/11/2014 3:52:40 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Good!
We’ll just send them batches of French Fries, made in Oregon.
We’ll send them Bavarian Sauerkraut, created in Wisconsin.
The same with Gouda cheese, bockwurst sausage, Brussel Sprouts grown in America, and to top it off .....
all those French or German chef knives, since this nation has taken a liking to Santokus, Gyutos, and Debas from the Orient.


44 posted on 03/11/2014 4:05:52 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith

Wait until red China goes after them over sauerkraut (suan tsai). Maybe even spaghetti too, if people remember the Marco Polo stories (the disinformation superhighway is working extremely hard to attribute spaghetti to the Etruscans).


45 posted on 03/11/2014 4:23:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I don’t know how trademark and copyright laws differ, but I think this is more of a trademark issue if it makes a difference at all.

There are other examples. Champagne has to come from the champagne region of France. Just like Bordeaux. Port comes from Portugal. Technically, to be a Bourbon it has to come from Bourbon County, KY... Though that seems to be less enforced.

The thing with trademarks though is they have to be vigorously defended every time they’re infringed. Once you start letting others get away with using your trademark, you lose it. Something like this, where it has -never- really been enforced before... Seems like a horse/barn situation. It’s way too late to start asserting a TM now, after decades of inattention.


46 posted on 03/11/2014 4:40:31 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Olog-hai

The world must be a wonderful place if this is the biggest problem they have to worry about.


47 posted on 03/11/2014 7:49:01 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Ramius

“Technically, to be a Bourbon it has to come from Bourbon County, KY.”

Actually, bourbon can be made pretty much anywhere in the US; the laws regarding bourbon pertain mainly to the ingredients used. But the good stuff comes from Kentucky.

And interestingly enough, there are no major bourbon producers based in present-day Bourbon County. The original county was much larger and has been subdivided numerous times.


48 posted on 03/11/2014 8:00:07 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'm not anti-government, government's anti-me.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Isn’t Wild Turkey still in Bourbon county? I thought Jim Beam was as well. I didn’t know about the county being cut up. I’ve also heard that the rules for being bourbon have been relaxed in recent years. For all I know its down to merely being four years old. Sad, that.

My spirit of choice is Wild Turkey Rare Breed, or Russell’s Reserve. In a pinch I’ll settle for 101, but I really prefer the others. Rare Breed is a ten-year old single barrel, barrel proof bourbon. Proof is usually about 107 to 110 depending on the batch. It’s very, very smooth. Best neat or over a little ice.

Russell’s Reserve is also ten years old, but it’s a blend of ten year old barrels, and it is diluted down to either 90 proof or 80 proof versions. It’s also very smooth and nice to drink. Doesn’t creep up and grab your medulla oblongata and shake it like rare breed tends to do.


49 posted on 03/11/2014 8:25:03 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: MeganC

How about the rights to “cheese eating surrender monkey”?


50 posted on 03/11/2014 8:33:50 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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