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It Wasn't Supposed to Happen This Way...
Vanity | 3/12/14 | pgyanke

Posted on 03/12/2014 9:59:26 AM PDT by pgyanke

It wasn't supposed to happen this way. Obamacare was supposed to be a winning issue for the Democrats. How did it become the anchor around their necks? A botched implementation.

The script as it was supposed to occur...

The Democrats gave America universal healthcare! For the first time in our misogynist, racist, homophobic history we were going to take care of all Americans, not just those with money. The millions of uninsured Americans and their illegal brethren would identify the Democrats as the giver of all good governmental things and they would enjoy electoral success. They stood up to the medical-industrial complex on behalf of everyday Americans.

How could the script play out this way, you ask, when Obamacare was so deeply flawed it couldn't possibly work? In fact, Nancy Pelosi was being honest (for once) when she said it would need to be passed to see what was in it. After all of the failed attempts over the last 60 years and the rewrites and the haggling, they truly didn't know what was in it anymore. There was no way it could work.

It wasn't meant to work. It was meant to fall apart. The Democrats didn't want to insure the uninsurable, they wanted single-payer healthcare where the government is the sole-provider... and in charge. This was only a stepping stone. They meant to point the finger at the insurance companies for canceling policies, for raising rates and for generally squeezing what they could out of their policy-holders--even though the insurance companies were only reacting to the law as written.

What went wrong?

Their inept rollout showed how incompetent the Democrats' plans were. It was plain to even the casual observer that the cancelations, headaches and difficulties were not the fault of the insurance companies but actually the fault of the law passed by the Democrats.

While we may not be inclined to thank the Democrats for Obamacare, we owe them a debt of gratitude for exposing themselves for all to see.

This is why Jolly won in Florida and why everyone who supported Obamacare (note that the support is all in past-tense) will suffer in this election cycle.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: 2014; aca; election; obamacare
Just my two cents.
1 posted on 03/12/2014 9:59:26 AM PDT by pgyanke
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To: pgyanke; blam; SeekAndFind; kristinn; upchuck; Diogenes; All

The con-artist challenge by Democrats to RINOs to “Fix” the failed Federal Medical Insurance Law, Obamacare, is now approaching a decision point: April Fools Day, 2014.

Always eager to do nothing unless it is something that might make the Democrats hate them less, the GOP Establishment is actively searching for ways to help “their best friends across the aisle” on the failed Obamacare Law which is set to fail April Fools Day, 2014.

The GOP-E has recently picked up Romney’s “Torch of Tyranny” (Romneycare), and are happily working on their own version of Federal Medical Inurance called “RINOcare.”

Will the TEA Party Reps. in the US House rise up and replace “Doormat for Obama” Boehner, and then ABOLISH the RINOcare replacement of Obamacare, or will everyone just sit on their hands and be happy to be everybody’s fool, again?

Romney is hoping that Boehner’s RINOcare prevails, as it will allow Romney to run again as the GOP-E Nominee in 2016.

BTW, why are so many RINOs so determined to continue the financial destruction of America by advocating Federal RINOcare?

Obamacare has proven to millions of Americans that Federal Medical Insurance will always be doomed to fail, a lesson ignored by our sorry Federal RINOs.

FORWARD !

[BTW, have you ever noticed that the Obamanation command “FORWARD !” is ALWAYS toward the upper lip of the Financial Cliff?]


2 posted on 03/12/2014 10:03:24 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: pgyanke
Simple:

We had a Dem controlled Congress, Executive Branch and Supreme Court and we HAD...NO...SAY in the legislation even though the American people overwhelmingly DID...NOT...WANT this to be passed.

3 posted on 03/12/2014 10:05:32 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: pgyanke

Obamacare was never supposed to be a winning issue for them. You can tell by the schedule. Anytime a president hammers through something that won’t start going into effect until after his re-election bid and won’t finish until after the second term is over he knows it’s going to be unpopular.


4 posted on 03/12/2014 10:05:42 AM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: pgyanke
Besides being meant to fail, and therefore 'force' single-payer, even many nominal-Democrats can see the injustices inherent in forcing someone to buy something.

Much of the Democrat's power comes from twisting a drive to do good to bad ends; this is not to say that Republicans are any better, much of their power comes from letting the Democrats take power and then pointing out the bad they do in order to scare more votes for themselves. (IOW neither of the parties are thinking about improving the situation for the country. — wich more than adequately explains the ever-increasing debt.)

5 posted on 03/12/2014 10:07:14 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pgyanke

Agree. Sometimes you have to let someone get their way to prove they are wrong.

If the risk is low enough, I will do that. I’ve done it a few times in my life. It’s a good way to train kids too. They learn, through experiential experimentation, that their belief is incorrect.


6 posted on 03/12/2014 10:07:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: pgyanke
Of course ObamaCare is a winning issue for the Democrats. I know it's a winning issue for them because Debbie Washerwoman Schultz said it was a winning issue for them.

And she's the closest thing they've got to a political genius. She's almost as smart as Hillary Clinton, who is the smartest woman in the world, and possibly the smartest woman in history.

7 posted on 03/12/2014 10:07:51 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: pgyanke

“Lying can never save us from another lie.” Vaclav Havel


8 posted on 03/12/2014 10:08:28 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: pgyanke

I think Jolly is a RINO and Sink is a communist. Does this mean that the GOP can run another Dole, McCain or Romney and win? Is there even a chance for a conservative? 2016 will be the year we could probably run a corpse and win.


9 posted on 03/12/2014 10:11:28 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: sonofagun

You didn’t read it, did you...


10 posted on 03/12/2014 10:12:18 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

The Dems are angry, and you know what happens when you make wild animals angry.


11 posted on 03/12/2014 10:13:33 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: discostu
Obamacare was never supposed to be a winning issue for them. You can tell by the schedule. Anytime a president hammers through something that won’t start going into effect until after his re-election bid and won’t finish until after the second term is over he knows it’s going to be unpopular.

The schedule was driven by political timing, sure. However, they expected by this election cycle to be hitting the GOP hard over their support for the private sector by pointing out how the insurance companies are screwing everyone. Their positive was going to be the rescue of single-payer.

It's not that Obamacare was ever going to be a positive, it was just meant to be a winning issue... they could use it against their enemies as a club and ride in on white, single-payer horses to rescue the downtrodden. Their implementation took away the club and has made the second more difficult (though not impossible).

12 posted on 03/12/2014 10:16:29 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke; All
Many Americans work hard, live within their means, and live descent caring lives.

There are many that live wild and crazy lives, doing drugs, making poor decisions and getting in trouble.

Some appreciate welfare, and some use it in ways never intended. In Texas any person can show up at the hospital emergency room and they will be treated. Money or not. They will receive care.

To take money from the producers and give it to the takers has not worked very well. The takers want more and the producers resent the fact the takers do not work or care about being a good citizen.

We tax the ones doing the right thing and those being irresponsible get benefits they seem to not appreciate and certainly abuse them.

It is a dilemma.

It is impossible to please everyone. Washington is spending money like crazy people and we have NOTHING to show for it. NO bridges, highways, major construction projects, only the government seems to be thriving. God Bless America. WAke up America we are about to go down the tubes.

13 posted on 03/12/2014 10:19:15 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: pgyanke

the Democrats are going to lose big. The main focus now should be giving B&tch McConnell a bloody nose. He cannot be allowed to surfto majority leader on the backs of people he vowed to CRUSH. He must be destroyed.


14 posted on 03/12/2014 10:19:21 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: All
O/Care is teeming w/ endless voter fraud tricks and election fixers....to fulfill Obama's dream of a permanent Democtic majority. And that's why lock-stepping Dummycrats enthusiastically voted for it w/ an historic straight party-line vote.

THIS JUST IN---Obama, himself, went on latino TV whining about "underdeserved" latinos and is conniving to get them enrolled in O/Care. Obama has done everything to suckup except fellate a latino on the steps of the Capitol.

INCONVENIENT FACTOID "Impoverished" Latinos do not need to pay for O/Care---they get free healthcare any frickin' time they want it.

Now Valerie Jarrett, White House "senior adviser" (Chicagoland term for "wire-transfer artist") will suckup to latinos----in a Google+ hangout with Cosmo for Latinas.

Obama's "latino enrollment" scam is a ruse to get votes by putting illegals into O/Care. NOTE WELL healthcare.gov is also a voter registration site. Tricky Democrats can easily plug in enrollees into their voter rolls.....and count them as votes on election day. Dems will say they "accidentally" enrolled latinos----a scam to plug latino voters into Democrat rolls.

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BOOKMARK THIS Each state's Secretary of State is required to check into all cases of reported voter fraud. They should be notified about illegals registering via O/Care.....and being fraudulently plugged into Democrat voter rolls.

15 posted on 03/12/2014 10:20:27 AM PDT by Liz
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To: pgyanke
It was plain to even the casual observer that the cancelations, headaches and difficulties were not the fault of the insurance companies but actually the fault of the law passed by the Democrats.

What's true but not as plain is the fact the headaches were deliberate, to get people to start pounding on the tables for Single Payer. If we could ever get that message to everybody out there, the Rats would be finished as a national party.

Trouble is, LIVs wouldn't believe it if you slapped them in the face with it. They are incapable of believing the Rats would ever harm them, and so they blame us for all the failures.

16 posted on 03/12/2014 10:20:48 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Gen.Blather
2016 will be the year we could probably run a corpse and win.

You are correct. That is why we (the GOP base) must insist on a conservative in the primaries. We need to stop letting the GOPe divide and conquer by running multiple "conservatives" to dilute our votes. While all of the "conservatives" in the last presidential cycle fought each other to prove who was Reagan's heir, Romney cruised through to the nomination with never more than 30% support. You don't win the general election when you can't even excite your base.

Conservatives jumped from candidate to candidate slowly whittling our choices until we finally said we don't like our remaining choices. The elite stuck by Romney throughout. If we can ignore the press and elite who will be telling us the conservative candidates sins in succession and simply put our support behind a strong candidate, we can win.

We hurt ourselves by demanding purity... our enemies show our candidate's impurities and we bail. Like it or not, we're going to elect a fallible human. Accept that and support him (or her).

17 posted on 03/12/2014 10:22:46 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

No, this is a second mid-term they knew it was going to be good for the GOP if Obie won re-election. The best they could hope to get out of OC for this cycle was that the just enough of it would be turning on for good PR, but even that wasn’t going to be a big gain because nothing really major is going into place. The big thing was to “phase in” the uninsured tax so nobody would face any taxes until after the election.

There was never a chance for it being a winning issue, if they thought it would be it would have gone into effect during the 2012 election cycle so Obie could hang his hat on his accomplishments. And its failure really won’t help the single payer movement, because it’ll be a failure of government run healthcare.


18 posted on 03/12/2014 10:23:43 AM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: Gen.Blather
Does this mean that the GOP can run another Dole, McCain or Romney and win?

The GOPe thinks they can and they will run another tepid campaign dancing around the major issues, including Obamacare. They will lose again.

Heck, yesterday I read a post here on FR that the GOPe has been talking about another possible Romney campaign.

19 posted on 03/12/2014 10:26:20 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: pgyanke

“We hurt ourselves by demanding purity... our enemies show our candidate’s impurities and we bail. Like it or not, we’re going to elect a fallible human. Accept that and support him (or her). “

We’ve had some good guys way down on the ticket, but they never get much support. It would be good if they agreed among themselves that the lowest polling candidates would resign early if they don’t get at least 30%. That would leave us with a RINO and a conservative. But, it takes a huge ego to run and somebody polling 9% will run, essentially taking that 9% away from somebody who was conservative but could make it against the inevitable RINO if he had that 9%.

Sometimes the best thing a candidate does is resign early. Sometimes the best thing a long serving politician does is drop dead.


20 posted on 03/12/2014 10:29:49 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: OldMissileer

“Heck, yesterday I read a post here on FR that the GOPe has been talking about another possible Romney campaign. “

Romney is testing the water. He didn’t want to win last time. How would he run against Obamacare when it was modeled after a program he invented? Bad choice. But whether he runs has more to do with political clout and money than anything else. Both Dole and McCain were able to run because they had collected enough IOU’s and it was “their turn” and their last chance. Romney became the candidate because even when he was dead last the MSM prefaced everything they said about him with, “Mitt Romney the GOP frontrunner...”


21 posted on 03/12/2014 10:33:27 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: discostu
There was never a chance for it being a winning issue, if they thought it would be it would have gone into effect during the 2012 election cycle so Obie could hang his hat on his accomplishments. And its failure really won’t help the single payer movement, because it’ll be a failure of government run healthcare.

You missed the point of my original post above. There was a chance for it as a winning issue because they meant to pin the problems on corporate America against the average citizen... and hang that around the neck of the GOP like a flaming tire ("necklacing").

I never said the program itself would succeed. In fact, it was meant to fail. In failure, if they successfully blamed corporate America, they could ride in as savior with single-payer. This was never meant to be anything but a vehicle to single-payer. This is where they failed, though. It is clear that the fault in the healthcare system is the law itself, not corporate America.

22 posted on 03/12/2014 10:34:11 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

I understood your point just fine, I’m pointing out that you were incorrect. If they thought it had the potential for a winning issue they wouldn’t have delayed its implementation until after the 2012 election. The plan shows they KNEW it wasn’t a winning issue.


23 posted on 03/12/2014 10:37:08 AM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: Gen.Blather
Sometimes the best thing a candidate does is resign early.

We're dealing with this in NC in this go around. Tom Tillis is the GOPe candidate for Kay Hagan's senate seat. There is a strong conservative candidate in Greg Brannon who has good endorsements and polls well going into this primary. Then there are other more opportunistic conservatives who think he isn't good enough who are announcing runs as well. All that does it take support away from our top guy. God help us.

24 posted on 03/12/2014 10:37:15 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: discostu
I understood your point just fine, I’m pointing out that you were incorrect.

No, you didn't and I'm not. I'm in the financial industry and I have been watching this train wreck unfold since the beginning.

The timing was driven by their goals. They wanted to show successes going into the 2012 and then begin the implementation in 2013 which would result in insurance companies doing bad things to people (canceling policies, raising rates, et al).

Take a look at their official timeline here and click on the early years. The things that took effect early were meant to make them look good. When they began to eventually implement the actual coverage, they meant to make others look bad.

25 posted on 03/12/2014 10:45:20 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

Sorry but you’re just plain wrong on this. I’ve explained my point multiple times, you’ve explained yours, you’re still wrong, you still don’t believe me. Time to part friends.


26 posted on 03/12/2014 10:48:38 AM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: pgyanke

Tell us something we don’t know.


27 posted on 03/12/2014 10:48:41 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: discostu
Sorry but you’re just plain wrong on this. I’ve explained my point multiple times, you’ve explained yours, you’re still wrong, you still don’t believe me. Time to part friends.

If you wish to continue the conversation, feel free to show how I am wrong and we'll discuss it. If you wish to discontinue the conversation, walking away while telling me I am wrong multiple times is childish. You get the last word in a debate by making the best point not by telling your compatriot he's wrong and ending the conversation.

Friends it is.

28 posted on 03/12/2014 10:53:19 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

Actual governing vs just campaigning


29 posted on 03/12/2014 10:53:54 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Gen.Blather

I would like you to tell me why you think Jolly is a RINO. Any links? Any proof?


30 posted on 03/12/2014 10:53:56 AM PDT by shortstop (It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful)
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To: shortstop

“I would like you to tell me why you think Jolly is a RINO.”

Actually, the big indicator to me are the several articles describing him as “a moderate republican.” That’s dog whistle code for RINO. If I’m wrong, nobody will be happier than me. (Other key phrases used by the MSM is “bipartisan” and “reach across the aisle.”)


31 posted on 03/12/2014 10:58:23 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: pgyanke

It’s not that Obamacare was ever going to be a positive, it was just meant to be a winning issue... they could use it against their enemies as a club and ride in on white, single-payer horses to rescue the downtrodden. Their implementation took away the club and has made the second more difficult (though not impossible).


I actually saw them trying to play that out on a liberal forum I frequent. The number of posts by liberals here parroting exactly what you said was staggering. I called ‘em on it and kept reminding everyone that what we had was better than this and what we need is what we had with LESS government interference in the free market, not more. There is a reason stuff like Lazik is so cheap, considering its benefit.

And other conservatives used the botched rollout and continual changes to point out that the government could not possibly manage a single payer system.

The liberals did not like people skewering their talking points and seemed to expect a downhill ride, rather than a steep uphill slope.

And yes, I sometimes seriousl wonder if many of them are not paid democrat hacks.


32 posted on 03/12/2014 10:59:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: OneWingedShark
Besides being meant to fail, and therefore 'force' single-payer, even many nominal-Democrats can see the injustices inherent in forcing someone to buy something.

So ya got "D"s along with "R"s wanting it gone ...but we have a Supreme Court that rules against us & the Constitution.

33 posted on 03/12/2014 11:01:39 AM PDT by Digger
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To: Gen.Blather
I guess it would depend on who is writing the description of him being a moderate republican. When he ran in the primary against Kathleen Peters, I knew very little about either of them. Upon examination of what their stated objectives and past quotations were, I quickly learned that Jolly was quite a few miles to the right of Peters, at least in philosophy. Hence, my support of Jolly in the primary. Of course, the other factor was the endorsement of Peters by the Tampa Bay Times. I instinctively know to vote the exact opposite of what they recommend.

Jolly will be a back bencher for a while, with his last position in seniority. But I would expect he'll do just fine for Pinellas County.

34 posted on 03/12/2014 11:12:38 AM PDT by shortstop (It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful)
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To: pgyanke

Skillfully written. Truth is like a breath of fresh air.


35 posted on 03/12/2014 11:53:35 AM PDT by spudville
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To: pgyanke

It wasn’t supposed to be winning issue. It was supposed to wreck healthcare to the that Single Payer was “the only solution.”
Watch the 2016 election when the Democrat (who will be a governor) says that since ObamaCare failed, it will have to be single payer.


36 posted on 03/12/2014 11:59:09 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

You didn’t read it, did you...


37 posted on 03/12/2014 12:20:59 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Gen.Blather
2016 will be the year we could probably run a corpse and win.

Please don't mention that to the party leadership. Running Romney once was enough. I don't want a stiff like Romney as our nominee a second time.

38 posted on 03/12/2014 12:30:06 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: pgyanke
What went wrong?

You're right that it was designed to fail. It just wasn't expected to fail so utterly and immediately. The point was to get the camel's nose under the tent, try for a few years until the economic consequences (that anyone sane would have predicted) were clear, then throw up their hands and say, "we TRIED to do a market-based approach [ed. - HA!] but it failed, so we have to go to single-payer."

39 posted on 03/12/2014 12:33:44 PM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: pgyanke

We just want competition. We want to be able to shop across state lines. We want health insurers to compete for our business.


40 posted on 03/12/2014 12:37:11 PM PDT by jersey117
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