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300, Rise of an Empire...Carnage Overload!!
March 12 2014 | lee martell

Posted on 03/12/2014 11:15:50 PM PDT by lee martell

I don't usually go see gladiator movies, but I thought I'd give the new '300' a try. Within the first five minutes of the film, I realized I'd made a mistake, because of the very graphic violence, violence that is, actually appropriate to the storyline. I suppose I was just curious, because the first '300' got such rave reviews. I was so glad chose not to see the movie in 3d, especially when the warring sides began their sword to sword advance. The director had a visual gimmick of depicting the moment when one soldier slices or skewers the other; there would be a roundhouse swinging motion with sword drawn, followed by a spray of blood shown in slow motion and suspended in air. I started to leave the theatre right then and there, but I thought wait, don't be so quick to cut and run. Let's see where it goes from here. Maybe the director is finished playing with his new FX toys.

I like seeing good fighting techniques, battles with evenly matched opponents. There was a lot of that. You can tell there was a lot of practice and drilling to coordinate timing, accuracy of placement and dispensing of strength. I like seeing the blocking the parrying the sneak up garroting of the enemy. The woman cast Eva Green is incredible as Artemisia, Queen if the Persians. I would not want her as an enemy. This is the kind of Xena-on-Steroids role the Angelina Jolie used to have. The leader of the Greek Army appeared to have just stepped out of Super Cuts Salon. The dialects and accents were all over the place. Maybe that was on purpose to say the armies were manned by citizens throughout the respective countries.

When they were not depicting on land battle, with all the mud and the blood, there was battle on the water. I found some of the Greek at sea tactics against the Persians were creative. The Greeks were vastly outnumbered, so they had to plan carefully. During their initial on water confrontation, the Greeks came forward with about 12 ships in circle formation. They approached the Persians, about 30 ships in V formation as with a flock of birds. Themistokles; the Greek leader instructs his men to aim for the weakest spot in the Persian formation, which would be the absolute center. This plan works very well, disorientating the Persians to the point of ramming into their own ships while in pursuit of the tiny Greek formation. That was good. This scene was soon followed by Artemisia beheading a prisoner, sweetly kissing his now loosed head, then cast the useless head over the side. At that point, I had seen enough for the day.


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1 posted on 03/12/2014 11:15:50 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell
The woman cast Eva Green is incredible as Artemisia, Queen if the Persians.

I haven't seen this one, but she did well in Casino Royale.

2 posted on 03/12/2014 11:43:28 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: lee martell

Well, if you’d like to see a really well done battle scene (with a good measure of historical accuracy) try this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOVVYswNE-c


3 posted on 03/12/2014 11:46:40 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: lee martell

By the way, the whole movie “Mongol” is available on YouTube.

I found it to be fascinating and really well done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWt-FXJhLdI


4 posted on 03/12/2014 11:53:29 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Very good and accurate review Lee. Out and about with the wife, both desiring popcorn. So we tried. We spent more time looking at each other and away than at the screen. Far too much carnage.

Good performance by Eva Green. As Vince mentioned, we both enjoyed her performance in Casino Royale.

At least the popcorn was good and as always, enjoyed the precious time with my wife.

5 posted on 03/12/2014 11:54:54 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: shibumi

That WAS good! I learned a lot just watching that battle. Notice how they rode in on horseback, while clutching two swords, literally slicing their way through any resistance. Of course in those days, if you fell off your horse, or worse, got your foot caught in a stirrup, you were probably a goner. Not a lot of second chances. I liked the airal shots, to study the formations, some similar to American Football plays. The director does more here with less buckets o blood.


6 posted on 03/13/2014 12:01:44 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: shibumi
Whoa! ..WOW!

7 posted on 03/13/2014 12:04:24 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: lee martell
quite stunning!

8 posted on 03/13/2014 12:06:22 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: lee martell
"The director does more here with less buckets o blood."

Exactly.

9 posted on 03/13/2014 12:17:36 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: lee martell

Just a bit of trivia, Lee:

Stirrups were not used in Europe or the Middle East until the Huns invaded the late Roman Empire, around 450A.D. Stirrups are a Far Eastern invention.


10 posted on 03/13/2014 12:18:29 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: lee martell

Timely review, thanks. Just last night someone recommended we see it. They couldn’t say enough good about it. Glad we didn’t head right out there.


11 posted on 03/13/2014 12:20:35 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: SatinDoll

Oh really. I thought the Mongols had their feet tucked into something to keep from falling off their horse. Maybe it was just an open knot or loose noose. Sometimes, our sense of order makes us think something should be there subconciously, so we actually imagine it IS there.


12 posted on 03/13/2014 12:24:57 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: Vince Ferrer

There were at least several thousand from different cities and stuff, this 300 thing is a huge misnomer. It was lopsided in numbers but not as much as Hollyweird would depict


13 posted on 03/13/2014 12:25:18 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: lee martell

The stirrup hadnt been invented at the time of the greek persian wars.


14 posted on 03/13/2014 12:32:58 AM PDT by Vanders9
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"Eva Green is incredible as Artemisia, Queen if the Persians."

Bossy girl gone wild!

15 posted on 03/13/2014 1:00:42 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: shibumi

Love that stuff. I guess I’ll never grow up! One thing;I have a feeling more horses were knocked off in real battle than is shown in the clip.


16 posted on 03/13/2014 1:18:45 AM PDT by cydcharisse (`)
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To: cydcharisse

I’m sure you are correct about more horses being killed in actual battle vs onscreen. This would have to be so,because the horses had no method or inclination of defending themselves. Still, I’m glad that was not shown in full and lurid detail for the sake of authenticity.


17 posted on 03/13/2014 10:31:33 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell
The woman cast Eva Green is incredible as Artemisia, Queen if the Persians. I would not want her as an enemy. This is the kind of Xena-on-Steroids role the Angelina Jolie used to have

Pass

The fighting female cliché has ruined the Sword & Sandals (as well as Sci_FI) Genre,

Every movie of the genre now seems to have a 90lb waif empowered woman who can somehow easily take on and beat multiple 250lbs+ guys.

Once the "wow, she is really hot factor wears off", It get's pretty old and silly fast

18 posted on 03/13/2014 10:35:20 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: lee martell

Since I knew the story of the 300 I purposely avoided this blood fest


19 posted on 03/13/2014 10:37:26 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: lee martell
I trust that your response is sarcastic. Any relation between the 300 genre and reality is purely coincidental. Cavalry fighting with swords in both hands .
20 posted on 03/13/2014 10:40:23 AM PDT by bagman
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To: lee martell; GraceG; SevenofNine

that movie was blasphemy!

it was madness!


21 posted on 03/13/2014 10:43:22 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

It was SPARTA!!!!


22 posted on 03/13/2014 10:51:10 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: lee martell

23 posted on 03/13/2014 10:55:29 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: bagman

I should have specifed what I was referring to. Someone was good enough to post a short clip of a movie ‘Mongol’s Last Battle’ was the title, I believe. A Chinese production done quite well, and so so heavy on the gore as was 300 #2. I was looking at a scene with the Mongols on their horses, as they charged forth to confront another group. This opposing group was less decorated in mail, less cloaked in protective garments, but equally fierce. The Mongols seemed to have the advantage in armaments; each horseman rode his steed holding on only using his legs. In each Mongols upraised fist was a long sword pointed out, allowing them to sheer their way through the opposition unless otherwise outmanueuvered. Take a look at it (an earlier post here) and see.


24 posted on 03/13/2014 11:05:19 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: shibumi

I’m in the process o watching RED CLIFF I&II. Excellent movie.


25 posted on 03/13/2014 11:05:24 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: qam1

“Once the “wow, she is really hot factor wears off”, It get’s pretty old and silly fast”

And I think also contributes to the coarseness of todays young women who act rough and tough and fight because, well, it is hot to do so, popular media shows it to be so, and no matter how out-classed in weight and muscle, a little girl CAN beat the stuffing out of a big guy.

And this leads to bad things when reality hits fantasy


26 posted on 03/13/2014 11:05:34 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: lee martell

Just get a copy of the old movie THREE HUNDRED SPARTANS with Richard Egan.


27 posted on 03/13/2014 11:09:03 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: qam1
The fighting female cliché has ruined the Sword & Sandals (as well as Sci_FI) Genre,

So you want them to change history to accommodate your desires?

Sorry, but Artemisia was a real person, (Queen of Halicarnassus not Persia) and she did command ships at the Battle of Salamis.

28 posted on 03/13/2014 11:10:26 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: SatinDoll
That was one of the most glaring anachronisms in Gladiator also.

Still loved the movie-- I guess the director probably couldn't find riders ready to ride with those costumes without stirrups.

The Roman cavalry used to perform incredibly elaborate riding exercises while wearing gold and silver plated masked helmets with ribbons (and no stirrups).

Probably would strike us as a mix of the Lipizzaner stallions, Jason and the Argonauts, and La Cage aux Folles.

29 posted on 03/13/2014 11:17:57 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: bagman

Horses were smarter then :-)


30 posted on 03/13/2014 11:19:25 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
So you want them to change history to accommodate your desires?

It is Hollywood that is changing history to accommodate feminist desires/delusions.

Sorry, but Artemisia was a real person, (Queen of Halicarnassus not Persia) and she did command ships at the Battle of Salamis.

There's a big difference between history, where she commanded the ship (a.k.a gave orders from the "sidelines") vs Hollywood where she swashbuckles onto enemy ships and single handily takes out entire regiments of Greek Marines.

31 posted on 03/13/2014 11:49:00 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: lee martell

To anyone who hasn’t seen the movie, several annotations.

1) Yes, it is ultraviolent. It is also extremely stylized, almost to the point of animation, and very few movies are technically comparable to both 300 and its sequel. Visually it is very intense as well.

2) The movies are ridiculously macho, with as much testosterone flying about as blood, of which there is copious amounts. Both men and women theater goers are left panting, but for different reasons.

3) The Persians are depicted as caricatures, and very monstrous ones at that. In the first movie, you could guesstimate that the Persian leader is around 8 feet tall.

4) Because of the intensity and violence, they truly deserve a legitimate NC-17 rating.

5) This being said, 89% of the audience liked ‘300’ (IMDb rating 7.8). 300: Rise of an Empire (IMDb rating 7.1) fared less well, but is still very popular.


32 posted on 03/13/2014 11:50:47 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: pierrem15
That was one of the most glaring anachronisms in Gladiator also.

Stirrups weren't as bad as the repeating cross bow used in the Coliseum or the Roman soldiers who were wearing Blue Jeans

33 posted on 03/13/2014 11:51:14 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Sorry, but Artemisia was a real person, (Queen of Halicarnassus not Persia) and she did command ships at the Battle of Salamis.

Yeah, but did she crash her ship into the Greek general's so that she could slay ten greek warriors before she fought with the greek general one-on-one for ten minutes? Because she did in the movie...

Also, as a bonus, they had the Spartan queen, played by Lena Headley, lead the counter attack of Spartans, slashing and hacking her way through the top Persian shock troops. Yeah, remember all that exposition they did in the 300 movie where they showed how the Spartan men were trained from birth for combat? Forget all that - a skinny woman with no training can be the point of the spear any day, with all the super-buffed, ripped-ab, professional warriors following behind picking off her leftovers.

This movie is a left-wing comic book adaptation of the story, just as the original movie was.
34 posted on 03/13/2014 11:59:23 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: qam1

The original Spartacus had several scenes where you could see wristwatches on some of the slaves, and for lack of sandals they had desert boots with “straps” painted on them.


35 posted on 03/13/2014 12:04:07 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

She was original Warrior Queen if you ever read real story on her

BTW that old movie Three Hundred Spartans been on THIS TV network lately


36 posted on 03/13/2014 12:48:43 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: shibumi

bttt


37 posted on 03/13/2014 12:50:11 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Good flick


38 posted on 03/13/2014 12:51:46 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: fr_freak
Yeah, but did she crash her ship into the Greek general's...

What she really did do was ram and sink one of her own ships that got in the way. I believe she was a renegade Greek, too. I wouldn't cross her.

The idea that this was united Greece defying the barbarians is comic-book stuff. A significant number of the Greeks were perfectly happy to welcome the Persian army.

I have to see this but am under no illusions it will be any more accurate than its predecessor. Got a Classics Professor friend who spits at the mention of 300 but will admit under pressure that he's seen it...twice.

39 posted on 03/13/2014 12:59:05 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: qam1

BLUE JEANS?!! What? You saw Roman soldiers wearing Blue Jeans in 300? Hah! I definitely overlooked that one, as did the technical advisors. Well, if they did commit that historic faux pas, rest assured those probably were NOT Mom Jeans.


40 posted on 03/13/2014 1:02:41 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Billthedrill

wonders to himself how many low information voters dont realize they are learning history watching these movies,,


41 posted on 03/13/2014 1:41:32 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: shibumi
By the way, the whole movie “Mongol” is available on YouTube.

Thanks for posting, just spent the last two hours watching it on my computer monitor. Great movie, one of thos little "sleepers" that no one ever heard about..........

42 posted on 03/13/2014 3:00:51 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I got hooked that way too.

Thought I’d just watch a few minutes and *POOF*! Two hours gone!


43 posted on 03/13/2014 3:57:44 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: qam1
It is Hollywood that is changing history to accommodate feminist desires/delusions.

Hollywood changes history to suit it's whims and (according to them) make the story better. I have my doubts but in this case the person you were complaining about is an importent part of the story. Take it up with Herodotus.

There's a big difference between history, where she commanded the ship (a.k.a gave orders from the "sidelines")

Ships, five of them. And if you think commanding five triremes is giving orders from the sidelines then you confuse them with the ships of today.

The trireme was about 121 feet long and 20 feet wide on the outside. The deck was much smaller and that is where she would have had to be to give orders.

Did she take out "entire regiments of Greek Marines" with the sword? Probably not. There was after all only about 3000-4000 hoplites there.

44 posted on 03/14/2014 6:07:43 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: fr_freak
Spartan women were also combat trained although not sent into battle. The move was over wrought obviously, take a look at what the men were doing and ask yourself if any guy could do that no matter how good a shape he was in.

But that is no reason to write out people who were there because they don't fit with your world view.

45 posted on 03/14/2014 6:11:46 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Billthedrill
I believe she was a renegade Greek, too. I wouldn't cross her.

She was sort of Greek in that Halicarnassus used to be a Greek colony. Since they had been thrown out some time ago I doubt they thought of themselves as Greek anymore.

46 posted on 03/14/2014 6:29:55 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
But that is no reason to write out people who were there because they don't fit with your world view.

300 is a fantasy version of the real events, no doubt, just like every piece of trash Hollywood puts out. Rambo couldn't take on the whole NVA nor the whole Russian army, even Chuck Norris couldn't take on 20 guys simultaneously (blasphemy! I know) but having a skinny 97 pound woman take on even ONE large, fit, male soldier and live to tell about it is a level of ludicrosity exponentially greater than any of those scenarios. Having said that, I was in no way expecting reality from this movie, so I wasn't disappointed.
47 posted on 03/14/2014 5:18:39 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
even Chuck Norris couldn't take on 20 guys simultaneously (blasphemy! I know)

Go repent! Besides he only fights one or two at a time, the rest dance around like kids waiting their turn at the bathroom until he is ready to take them on.

but having a skinny 97 pound woman take on even ONE large, fit, male soldier and live to tell about it

Actually she can. What she can not do is any sort of prolonged battle or anything beyond a few thrusts and parries. Women lack upper body strength. However if she manages to get in a quick killing blow she could take him out. But it would be a one time thing.

Having said that, I was in no way expecting reality from this movie, so I wasn't disappointed.

Yeah, but certain things in movies tend to be more jarring then others for some people.

48 posted on 03/14/2014 5:32:58 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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