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Secret Negotiation with Hijackers Theory Bolsters: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Revealed
International Business Times ^ | March 12, 2014 | Gopi Chandra Kharel

Posted on 03/13/2014 12:40:02 AM PDT by hamboy

‘Secret Negotiation with Hijackers’ Theory Bolsters as Last Words from Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Revealed

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Before the flight disappeared from radar screens, the Malaysia's civil aviation heard the words, "All right, good night", The Straits Times reported.

There is however, conflicting reports on what exactly were the last words. The BBC says that the last heard reply from flight MH370 was "All right, roger that".

The meeting held in a packed room with nearly 400 relatives at the Metropark Lido hotel in Beijing, non-the-less, is important as anguished family members were given the chance to ask direct questions to the investigating authorities for the first time.

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The official seemed to digress from the question when he said that the military was assisting investigations "at a high level".

When the family members repeatedly asked the male official present, he reportedly only said "now is not the time to reveal it."

The incident bolsters a viral theory circulating among the worried members of the family that there are some ongoing secret negotiations with terrorist who possibly hijacked the plane, the Strait Times noted. The official had also said earlier that he hoped that the passengers are alive.

(Excerpt) Read more at ibtimes.co.in ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Religion; Travel
KEYWORDS: hijackers; iran; malaysia; mh370; missing; theory; waronterror
I hope this is not hoax!
1 posted on 03/13/2014 12:40:03 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: hamboy

At this point either the government is with holding information that would not look make them look good, or aliens took the damned thing.


2 posted on 03/13/2014 12:51:47 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

Odyssey of Flight 33


3 posted on 03/13/2014 1:00:12 AM PDT by LukeL
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To: VerySadAmerican

I agree. 777s just don’t disappear. There had to be some indication of what was happening. If they lost all power the plane would have gone down on its route. The fact that it was diverted means something was happening and the pilots would have reported it...unless someone was holding a gun to their head!


4 posted on 03/13/2014 1:04:45 AM PDT by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: gr8eman

Ate they were involved in it


5 posted on 03/13/2014 1:11:50 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: gr8eman; VerySadAmerican

WSJ, UK Daily Mail, etc. now saying the plane sent engine data to Boeing and Rolls Royce which indicate they may have operated a further four hours after it vanished from radar. So even if the plane’s transponders were turned off still the plane called home?


6 posted on 03/13/2014 1:15:34 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: easternsky

Correction Are they were involved in it


7 posted on 03/13/2014 1:20:43 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: easternsky
Malaysia has F/A-18's.. Eight of them. This aircraft was probably shot down after it changed course. After 9/11, isn't that the logical thing to do? Horrible but what other alternative was their for Malaysia, India, China???

This is why there's been so much diversion of search teams, stalling, etc... The hard part is admitting to the families that you HAD to shoot down their aircraft and they'd NEVER ACCEPT THAT even though it was the right thing to do. Taking it down before it reaches land is a must, and if there's any wreckage its way off course.

8 posted on 03/13/2014 1:20:44 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Sometime around that time we had a bunch fly out, supposedly to the Ukraine. Who knows.... those in charge do but not telling, how long can they keep it from coming out?


9 posted on 03/13/2014 1:24:35 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: CivilWarBrewing

how could it been shot down if WSJ and UK Daily Mail reporting that the plane sent engine data to Boeing and Rolls Royce it was airborned for four more hours after it vanished from radar?


10 posted on 03/13/2014 1:30:16 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: hamboy

It still seems possible that the hijacked Malaysian Flight MH370 actually made it to some unknown destination.


11 posted on 03/13/2014 1:38:35 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: hamboy

Yeah, I read that. They are saying that the engines indicate an estimated 2,200 additional miles flight. The particulars as to just how the info was gotten is vague to me and there was no indication of direction. That’s an awful long ways to go evading radar. Hard to buy. Of course I’m just going off “Breaking News”.


12 posted on 03/13/2014 2:02:43 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: hamboy

I’m not one for conspiracy theories. Most of them are BS, IMO.

But this story stinks. Other than a sudden catastrophic explosion, which would be hard enough to explain let alone NOT detect, too much else would have to happen coincidentally to make a plane disappear like this without a warning, trace, mayday, etc..

The fish stinks from the head down.


13 posted on 03/13/2014 10:30:20 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: hamboy; All

At this point we know NOTHING. Even the so called data from ACARS has not been verified. Those are short bursts not all the time real time (too much bandwidth needed for that so it was not ever done). This ACARS pings come ONLY if there is something mechanically wrong to notify ground crews of what needs repair (gives them a heads up and some time to get parts together). After a;; the unnamed sources from WSJ article the so called news out was that the last ACARS ping was around 1:10am local time which was just after the last flight deck contact.

At this point no one knows anything. All the speculation does not create facts


14 posted on 03/13/2014 10:32:07 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: hamboy

Those so called stories cite unnamed sources....hard to believe when no names or sources attached.

From the local news sources try this

“”The Wall Street Journal newspaper quoted U.S. investigators on Thursday as saying they suspected the plane remained in the air for about four hours after its last confirmed contact, citing data from the plane’s engines that are automatically transmitted to the ground as part of a routine maintenance program.
Hishammuddin said the government had contacted Boeing and Rolls Royce, the engine manufacturer, and both said the last engine data was received at 1:07 a.m., around 23 minutes before the plane lost contact.”

You can dispute this if you want but neither Boeing nor Rolls Royce is saying anything different. ACARS is NOT a continuous feed. It tracks and sends during important times and gives data in bursts. The only time that alters is if there is mechanically malfunction that needs repair at landing.


15 posted on 03/13/2014 10:35:08 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: hamboy

and they are not telling the truth. They are engaged in no sense and speculation. When you won’t name your sources or their affiliation I tend not to believe you.

We have NOTHING at this point except an airliner is missing


16 posted on 03/13/2014 10:36:32 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: CivilWarBrewing

So, the conspiracy extend to BHO? Wouldn’t the NSA be eavesdropping on comms, a la the USSR taking down KAL 007?


17 posted on 03/13/2014 10:38:41 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: VerySadAmerican

I read a book many years ago titled, “Xeno”. Planes that disappeared started turning back up. They carried a nasty little bug that caused all kinds of trouble.


18 posted on 03/13/2014 10:49:39 AM PDT by W.Lee (After the first one, the rest are free.)
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To: Nifster

“This ACARS pings come ONLY if there is something mechanically wrong to notify ground crews of what needs repair”

I think that depends if they are also using it for trend monitoring. In that case there are many exceedences that will also cause it to ping. If for example the aircraft were hijacked and put into a steep dive, several allowed engine parameters could have been exceeded. Likewise flying too fast too low to the ground would as well.

Don’t play by the rules and them engine manufacturers are going to make sure your power by the hour cost increases!


19 posted on 03/13/2014 10:50:41 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Nifster

Agreed...speculation is not news...unless you run a news network that pretends speculation is news


20 posted on 03/13/2014 10:53:47 AM PDT by rights with responsibilities
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To: I cannot think of a name

My point is simply that ACARS is NOT a black box mime and has NEVER been one. It is NOT a continuous feed. A steep dive may or may not cause it to ping.

The way the WSJ article was written implied that this is a continuous data stream which it is not.


21 posted on 03/13/2014 10:54:26 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
The only time that alters is if there is mechanically malfunction that needs repair at landing.

Not exactly. The ACARS can be programmed to send information on a wide variety of parameters on que, such as at a particular radar altitude, change in configuration (slats, flaps, gear) or at a particular time interval to transmit engine data.

For example ACARS is how airlines monitor their crews for stable approaches (speed, configuration, vertical velocity, deck angle, g-loading, etc.), triggering a message with various parameters at 500, 1000, or 1500 feet on final (examples). But the ACARS doesn't transmit continuously since that would cost too much for all the extra messaging (especially overwater with SATCOM as primary).

This is what strikes me as strange: if indeed RR and Boeing got routine ACARS messages on engine performance hours later, then surely the airline also got numerous ACARS messages that were automatically sent. And if they did, then why are they so secretive about the content of them, or even their existence?

22 posted on 03/13/2014 10:54:48 AM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: JimSEA

I read that Malaysia Airlines opted out Boeing’s jet-data service. The active Malaysia transport minister denied there were such data. But Boeing (and Rolls Royce, maybe) still received the jet-data to Boeing servers, by default. People don’t just disclose hot stuffs because they signed NDA’s. I hope they’ll be more infos coming soon.


23 posted on 03/13/2014 10:57:48 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: Nifster

There seems to be a lot of conflicting and wrong information being disseminated by government officials involved. It’s almost as if they are trying to buy time. T

There are so many odd things -
1. life raft found and then oopsie! It sunk while we were trying to haul it onto the boat and we never bothered sending a diver to retrieve it.
2. Flight paths in about 4 different directions
3. Contact by radio from another plane
4. Oil platform worker saw a fireball but no wreckage in the area..

Just very odd..


24 posted on 03/13/2014 10:59:33 AM PDT by bigtoona
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To: hamboy

Mr. Kitty’s theory from several days ago. Hijacked and flown at low altitude somewhere.


25 posted on 03/13/2014 11:03:48 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: hamboy

Did the aircraft have enough fuel to fly to Iran, Pakistan or Afghanistan?.......................


26 posted on 03/13/2014 11:04:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: hamboy

Curious-er.

Shortly after the place disappeared from radar, someone issued a Tweet that said the plane had landed in extreme south part of Vietnam.

That Tweet was quickly quelled as a hoax or non-truth.

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Since then, the plane wreckage has been noticed more toward Hong Kong,
in the Indian Ocean,
near Sumatra,
in the South China Sea,
east of Vietnam,
between Malaysia and Vietnam,
south of the line between Malaysia and Vietnam, etc.


27 posted on 03/13/2014 11:17:22 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: hamboy
This is cruel to the family. .they are being jerked around not knowing if their loved ones are alive or dead
28 posted on 03/13/2014 11:26:01 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: hamboy

Past FR link from 2005:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1486262/posts

Did this 777 have a bad history from 2005? read the attached link.

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2005/aair/aair200503722.aspx

In-flight upset; Boeing 777-200, 9M-MRG,

PILOTS on a Boeing 777 from Perth to Kuala Lumpur battled to gain control of the plane last month after an unknown computer error caused the aircraft to pitch violently and brought it close to stalling.

A flight attendant dropped a tray of drinks and another began praying as the Malaysian Airlines pilots fought to counter false information being fed into the aircraft’s autopilot system and primary flight display.

The glitch prompted plane manufacturer Boeing to issue a global notice to all 777 operators alerting them to the problem.

Flight MH124 was about an hour out of Perth when the aircraft began behaving erratically. The incorrect data from a supposedly fail-safe device caused the plane to pitch up and climb 3000ft (914m), cutting its indicated airspeed from 500km/h to 292km/h and activating a stall warning and a “stickshaker”.

A stickshaker vibrates the aircraft’s controls to warn the pilot he is approaching a speed at which the plane will have insufficient lift to keep flying


29 posted on 03/13/2014 11:39:40 AM PDT by ncfool (Obama's aMeriKa 2012 The land of entitlement for the 51% crowd.)
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To: Red Badger
From Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is 2,700 miles, Lahore 2,600 miles, Tehran 3,907. They'd not max fuel 47,890USG to fly max 7,825 miles range, airlines will allocate weight for cargo instead.
30 posted on 03/13/2014 11:40:04 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: gr8eman

Yes they have not found one shred of that plane. If it went down in the ocean there would be debris and bodies floating.

The black box has a transponder and its pretty indestructable.

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but if the tower loses voice communication that does not mean the plane just goes off radar. They would still be tracking it on radar unless it finally got down to the 500 ft level or whatever.

Supposedely the Rolls Royce engines were still sending out info every half hour for 4 more hours.

The whole thing is just bizarre.


31 posted on 03/13/2014 11:42:42 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

or they are setting up for a rescue operation. I am sure they know and have known what happened to this plane.


32 posted on 03/13/2014 11:48:41 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Red Badger
The aircraft had just enough fuel to make it to Pakistan. We didn't seem to have too much trouble sneaking into Pakistan via helicopter to get OBL (if that even happened).

The missing Malaysian jet is just like dumping OBL at sea. A mystery with no video or photos of it. All comm and transponders apparently were turned off. Aircraft expert software hacker aboard? How could other countries' RADAR not intercept this aircraft???

I can imagine Muslim gov't officials saying "If they don't find the wreckage, we can pretend we don't know what happened" even though they KNOW it was shot down over deep waters... Makes perfect sense to lie or deceive in that culture. But I think the aircraft was shot down over the Indian Ocean, possibly by Malaysian F/A-18's. A pilot could've been given orders to shoot it down but gov't officials dispute order was given and by whom, so Malaysian gov't is.. Stalling.

33 posted on 03/13/2014 11:52:28 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: arthurus

You think this is a set-up for a SEAL team to boost Obama’s approval ratings? I don’t rule ANYTHING out at this point. Malaysia is Muzzie friend of King Barry.


34 posted on 03/13/2014 11:54:23 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Ever heard the term “below the RADAR”? That’s possible here, I suppose.. But what about tracking via satellite?


35 posted on 03/13/2014 11:56:23 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Yeh thats what I’m saying the radar should have tracked the plane til it got down under radar level. There is so much hinky stuff going on with this one it just seems weird.


36 posted on 03/13/2014 11:58:16 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: hamboy
What would Occam's Razor say?
"I give up."
"Pass."
"Too complicated."
37 posted on 03/13/2014 12:01:24 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon (center)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

The search area is 6 times the size of the United States.


38 posted on 03/13/2014 12:03:49 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: I am Richard Brandon; CivilWarBrewing
Do you ever watch cold cases and forensic investigations?

Upon hearing the plane no debris found, no flash in the sky along the waypoints, ATC and ADS-B transponders turned off, neither the Flightware nor FlightRadar24 have tracks of the flight, Chinese passengers' smartphones seen by relatives still online at QQ, that means something unusual out of ordinary.

Based in the above, obviously the plane might have been hijacked, people commandeering the plane know what they're doing but they didn't know ACARS, avionics stuff pilots don't always know about nor they can turn off, also enabled in the plane.

39 posted on 03/13/2014 1:25:04 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: zipper

There is NO verification that any data was sent after 1:07 am so quit speculating. Your example of programability is for one of the crucial data sets that are looked at... take off, climb, approach, landing.

It is NOT a real time black box mime


40 posted on 03/13/2014 8:39:36 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: bigtoona

agreed.... so much of this whole thing is just plain nuts.... but it is what happens when we rely on dictatorships for any information

the one thing I predict is that it will not end well


41 posted on 03/13/2014 8:41:45 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
There is NO verification that any data was sent after 1:07 am so quit speculating.

It's not me reporting it, it's the WSJ. Reading comprehension!.

Your example of programability is for one of the crucial data sets that are looked at... take off, climb, approach, landing.

That's what I said, for whatever the company programs it to transmit. And also for engine data -- though it turns out Malaysia Air didn't buy that package, according to the WSJ in another article. But RR

It is NOT a real time black box mime

Deciphering that crude syntax I think you mean the box doesn't transmit continuous real time DFDR data. I never said it did -- I said the opposite, and gave the reason why.

Malaysia Airlines' missing jet transmitted its location repeatedly to satellites over the course of five hours after it disappeared from radar, people briefed on the matter said...

WSJ: Satellite Data Reveal Route of Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Jetliner 'Pinged' Satellites With Location, Altitude for Hours After Disappearance

42 posted on 03/13/2014 9:05:35 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: zipper

The WSJ has been denied by Malaysian authorities and Rolls said its last bit of data was received at 1:07am shortly after the last voice contact. Boeing has not commented.

There is no point in arguing about any of this. All we know is 1) there is a plane missing and 2) it will not end well. Beyond that we know NOTHING and speculation and rumor does no one any good


43 posted on 03/13/2014 9:09:20 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
The WSJ has been denied by Malaysian authorities and Rolls said its last bit of data was received at 1:07am shortly after the last voice contact. Boeing has not commented.

As I said Malaysian Airlines didn't buy the data package. The pings didn't go to anyone in Malaysia, so they aren't in a position to comment. Not that I trust them anyway after a military official there said they had tracked the airplane to the Malacca Straits, then recanted! The fact that Boeing won't (officially) comment underscores the sensitivity of the information.

There is no point in arguing about any of this. All we know is 1) there is a plane missing and 2) it will not end well. Beyond that we know NOTHING and speculation and rumor does no one any good

Well of course, it's speculation. But we are all FRiends here and that's what friends do, right? It's interesting to bounce theories off each other to narrow down the possibilities. It's a great mystery, any way you look at it, and it's becoming more political as time progresses, it seems, judging from the behavior of the various countries involved.

44 posted on 03/13/2014 9:29:28 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Nifster
From what I can glean from reading, the ACARS pings off satellites even when in "standby" mode, that is, even when not actively transmitting according to pre-programmed triggers.

That's how the folks at Inmarsat PLC know how long the airplane was functioning long after secondary radar tracking was discontinued.

45 posted on 03/13/2014 9:40:33 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Nifster
Actual WSJ correction to their first report:

The Wall Street Journal confirms its report that U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for up to four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location. The Journal has since learned, however, that this belief is based on an analysis of signals sent through the Boeing 777’s satellite-communication link, and not from data sent by the plane’s Rolls-Royce engines to Rolls Royce, as was earlier incorrectly reported. Our report has been corrected.

46 posted on 03/13/2014 10:40:04 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: zipper
Speculation most welcome Mr. Zipper, particularly from those informed. Attempts to shut down discussion smell of censorship, which is not the purview of fellow freepers.
47 posted on 03/14/2014 5:30:09 AM PDT by binreadin
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