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Possible Theory on Flight 370 Location.
Vanity | 3 March 2014 | Trueblackman

Posted on 03/13/2014 8:59:02 PM PDT by Trueblackman

I have a possible theory on why no one has found flight 370. Several years ago before enlisting in the NAVY, I remember talking to a A-6 Navigator about one of the pilots in his squadron crashing into the Med after losing his awareness at night. Now come word that 4 hours after losing radar contact that the engines on Flight 370 were still transmitting data to satellites, so my theory is that the flight was in fact hijacked and the transmitters turned off as the terrorists flew the jet at very low attitude until the terrorists lost their awareness and crashed into the sea at low speed, which would mean the aircraft is mostly intact and sank slowly. I believe that the aircraft is not in the Gulf of Thailand, but in fact somewhere in the Indian Ocean. As a former Aviation Boatswain Mate Handler, I saw several nuggets over the years lost their awareness at the last minute on final approach to the deck and have to take a waveoff from paddles and go back around, just a possible theory on why the plane has not been found yet.


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Remember the terrorists that crashed the plane into the Pentagon here in DC were able to fly very low and avoid the radar ring that surrounds the city, as well as it took many years to locate the HMS Titanic as for several years her position was reported 400 miles North of where she was located.
1 posted on 03/13/2014 8:59:02 PM PDT by Trueblackman
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To: Trueblackman

Fly it like you stole it!


2 posted on 03/13/2014 9:04:54 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Trueblackman

My theory:

Hussein helped jam radar/signals while his jihadis grabbed the plane for an upcoming EMP attack on CONUS.

Marxists and Mozzies are cowards. They want to kill everybody but don’t want to be “Seen doing it” so they can preserve their ‘good PR’ (ahahahah) for the long crusade.

So they sneak around and send kamikazes; stage false flags; sabotage you from within.


3 posted on 03/13/2014 9:05:55 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Trueblackman

There are some problems.

A) A distress signal is very easy to send out (two buttons in the cockpit). Those terrorists would have had to break in very quickly

B) Would terrorists be dumb enough to crash the plane accidentally? You’d have thought they’d be more experienced.


4 posted on 03/13/2014 9:07:21 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Trueblackman

It wouldn’t explain why the GSM cellphones and smartphones that passengers had on board were able to be dialed to by their relatives or were online up to three days after the aircraft supposedly crashed.


5 posted on 03/13/2014 9:07:39 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Trueblackman

Sorta what I was alluding to when comparing to Airport ‘77 prior, just with a different spin.

More plausible than some.


6 posted on 03/13/2014 9:08:08 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Trueblackman
If it flew as long as they're not saying, that's a hell of a lot of land and ocean to search...


7 posted on 03/13/2014 9:08:08 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Trueblackman

Some folks have basically gone into a trance flying drugs up from Columbia. The route is littered with their planes. The featureless surface of the ocean can lure you lower without your being aware of it especially if you are not used to low altitude flying. Sort of the same thing that sometimes happens to folks on a long distance interstate trip. Just my two bits, I am a pilot.


8 posted on 03/13/2014 9:08:09 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Trueblackman

Why steal a plane in the first place?


9 posted on 03/13/2014 9:08:49 PM PDT by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Not too good in this case and hold my beer and watch this alert, if so.


10 posted on 03/13/2014 9:12:24 PM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: Trueblackman

I don’t know or remember if this flight took off after dark or near dark. What you say sounds logical.


11 posted on 03/13/2014 9:13:19 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today.))
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To: bramps
Why steal a plane in the first place?

Free nuts!

12 posted on 03/13/2014 9:14:01 PM PDT by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (2008 & 2012 = Voter fraud > Chicago style!)
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To: Trueblackman

As good a theory as any that our vaunted intelligence services have put forward.


13 posted on 03/13/2014 9:14:24 PM PDT by montag813
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To: bramps

Because a almost new 777-200 ER would fetch a pretty penny on the Black Market and you have people in Africa steal planes all the time, to resell in the Middle East.


14 posted on 03/13/2014 9:15:00 PM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: Viennacon

I speculate that the Muzzie capt. and f.o. were in on it with the two Muzzie Iranians otherwise the former would have done something like squawk 7500 (hijacking) on the transponder or flipped the ELT.

They could have slowly depressurized the aircraft and suffocated all the passengers. Where their bodies went after the a/c. I’m sure the Muzzie bodies will get a proper burial, but the infidel’s?

After the 777 disappeared it was witnessed by five fisherman who saw the aircraft descend to right above the water and fly right over them. The last they saw it was headed out to international waters. These guys were probably flying under radar and using the ground effect to give them better gas mileage. I don’t think they would be crazy enough to fly within a wing chord’s width of the water to harness the ground effect, but they are Muzzies.

We don’t know exactly how much fuel they had on board but the captain could have requested more fuel than what was standard for that flight. But considering that the ACARS data stopped after fours hours after it disappeared it gives us an idea of how far they traveled and what airports would be available for them to land on.


15 posted on 03/13/2014 9:19:01 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Marcella

If was a red eye flight and after it disappeared it was headed west toward Africa.


16 posted on 03/13/2014 9:20:35 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Marcella

Saturday

12:41 a.m.: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 departs Kuala Lumpur International Airport en route to Beijing. The weather is good.

The plane is carrying 239 people: 227 passengers and 12 crew members. Five passengers are under age 5. There are 13 nationalities represented on board. More than half (154) are Chinese/Taiwanese. Other passengers were from Malaysia (38), India (5), Indonesia, Australia, the United States (3), France, New Zealand, Ukraine, Canada, Russia, Italy (see above), Austria (see above), and the Netherlands.

The plane is a Boeing 777-200ER. This aircraft has an excellent safety record. Malaysia Airlines has 15 of the 777-200 planes in its fleet. The airline operates in Southeast Asia, East Asia, South Asia, the Middle East, and on the route between Europe and Australasia.

The expected trip length was roughly 2,700 miles (4,350 kilometers). It was expected to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m.


17 posted on 03/13/2014 9:21:06 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Marcella

I believe that it took off at 12:30 AM local time and was scheduled to land at 6:30AM in Beijing.


18 posted on 03/13/2014 9:22:08 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

the tech guru’s have explained that what those families heard was not the phones but the system trying to locate the phones, or some such thing. Either way according to the techies the phones ringing is a dead end lead.


19 posted on 03/13/2014 9:23:08 PM PDT by fatman6502002
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I will buy that, then if that is indeed true then that would explain the lack of bodies on the Ocean surface and if the plane was flying low and slow, it could have crashed intact and with the weight of the fuel quickly sank especially if it flipped on contact.


20 posted on 03/13/2014 9:25:23 PM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“I speculate that the Muzzie capt. and f.o. were in on it with the two Muzzie Iranians...”

That’s just what I’ve been thinking. When I saw photos of the pilot and first officer and both had muzzie names... well, what other conclusion could you come to?


21 posted on 03/13/2014 9:25:27 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Sounds like some sleuth detective work needs to be stepped up. Look deeper into the backgrounds of those connected to this flight.


22 posted on 03/13/2014 9:26:06 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The ACAR could have been disabled. If it stopped after 4 hours, and they had 6 hours of fuel, its possible it was just disabled after a 4 hour period. From what I’ve heard, unlike the other systems, the ACAR cannot be disabled from the cockpit. You have to go down into the bowels of the plane and open the thing up to turn it off. Remember, the other two communications systems were turned off systematically, with about a ten minute gap between them, but both are accessible in the cockpit. Why the delay? Unless they planned to delay the systematic shutdown of communication systems to throw off the search.

I’m not sure why US sources are now saying they think it crashed in the Indian Ocean, unless they have info they have yet to release. That makes no sense to me. No system failure could explain the detour, and why go out that far to kill yourself? All the evidence we have points to a deliberate hijacking, and the pilots are looking increasingly suspicious.


23 posted on 03/13/2014 9:27:25 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: fatman6502002

Explain how at least one smartphone stayed online until sometime Monday according to one of the passenger’s relatives. Maybe the phone learned to swim?


24 posted on 03/13/2014 9:27:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Terrorists could have killed everyone onboard with some kind of poison gas. Not sure how they could sneak gas masks onto the plane for themselves without raising some red flags though. I suppose they could use the oxygen masks that the flight crew might normally use in the event of a depressurization?
25 posted on 03/13/2014 9:27:40 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: bigbob
Cut that in half, they would have had to stay below FL18 and under 250 knots to avoid suspicion as a VFR craft without a flight plan.
26 posted on 03/13/2014 9:28:16 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Trueblackman

Botched hijacking. It’s at the bottom the Indian Ocean.


27 posted on 03/13/2014 9:29:26 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I never believed those two Iranians were “seeking asylum” my butt they were..first of all, they entered Malaysia on February 28th using their legit Iranian passports..they could have continued flying to their destinations using their legit passports, they didnt have to spend money on stolen ones. They could have continued on their way(Germany, Amsterdam) and requested asylum.


28 posted on 03/13/2014 9:30:32 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 43north

Iran (and the NorKs) wants to nuke America so it can’t protect Israel anymore. What better way of delivering the payload than with a 777? And you don’t even have to miniaturize the nuke. All you have to do is squeeze it through the door.

Re-paint it, hack the flight computer to make it look like another 777 aircraft, file a fictitious flight plan and away they go!


29 posted on 03/13/2014 9:30:34 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Trueblackman

Not to nitpick but the latest report I’ve seen regarding the engines reporting their status, is that they are supposed to report every hour and in this case the engines did not transmit any data but rather they continued to ping the satellites to get the ok to transmit, which apparently never happened. The investigators have no actual telemetric data reflecting how the engines were operating.
Also I would think to pull off something like this the pilots would have to be involved. Landing a fully loaded 777 at a remote location in secret and at night without transmitting landing aides would be far to difficult for some one not a fully qualified 777 pilot.


30 posted on 03/13/2014 9:30:38 PM PDT by fatman6502002
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I took that into account too and if the plane did land somehow within that 4 hour, the most logical place along that route would be Burma as the nation is still mostly closed to the outside world like North Korea and within a 4 hours flight time window. Laos or even Cambodia is a possible, but you would have to hack up allot of jungle to land a 777-200 ER.


31 posted on 03/13/2014 9:31:59 PM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: Viennacon

Exactly that is what I don’t get about this “They crashed into the Indian Ocean” theory..if the hijackers whole intention was to kill everyone on board, just take the plane and nosedive it into the China Sea..why fly it around for four hours, for what, to find the perfect spot to off yourself, nosedive a plane from anywhere and they are dead


32 posted on 03/13/2014 9:32:35 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Jack Hydrazine

33 posted on 03/13/2014 9:32:38 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

What about a 911 style hackjacking that went wrong after the terrorists got lost out to sea. lost their awareness and crashed into the sea.


34 posted on 03/13/2014 9:35:41 PM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
It wouldn’t explain why the GSM cellphones and smartphones that passengers had on board were able to be dialed to by their relatives or were online up to three days after the aircraft supposedly crashed.

You gotta a good point there. If the plane was under water, I doubt those smart phones would have done any better than mine did when I dropped it in the Jacuzzi. It shut off within a few seconds, not days later.

On qq, it shows when your phone is on.

35 posted on 03/13/2014 9:36:03 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Better yet, crash it into the Petronas Towers


36 posted on 03/13/2014 9:36:29 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Not as crazy as it sounds, as Burma is along the plane’s range and Burma is an ally of both Iran and North Korea.


37 posted on 03/13/2014 9:37:56 PM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: bigbob
I think it is a safe bet there is no need to search Australia or China.


38 posted on 03/13/2014 9:38:40 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Viennacon

“I’m not sure why US sources are now saying they think it crashed in the Indian Ocean, unless they have info they have yet to release. That makes no sense to me.”

It is called disinformation.


39 posted on 03/13/2014 9:39:12 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Trueblackman

Why hack up jungle? If this 777 is equipped for a Category 3c landing (no viz, no ceiling) then it would be easy for the Muzzies on the ground to set up the necessary equipment at the chosen landing spot and have them come on in with no lights lighting the runway dark and invisible and immediately park it in a hangar. Close the doors and no more airplane.

Did you see anything, Achmed? Nope, Mohammed. Didn’t see a thing!


40 posted on 03/13/2014 9:39:49 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: VRWC For Truth
Botched hijacking. It’s at the bottom the Indian Ocean.

That overlooks the cell phone issue.

41 posted on 03/13/2014 9:39:57 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: smokingfrog
Not sure how they could sneak gas masks onto the plane for themselves without raising some red flags though.

Ground crew could have made sure they were on board.

42 posted on 03/13/2014 9:41:15 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Red herring. There are no cell phone towers in the middle of the ocean.
43 posted on 03/13/2014 9:41:55 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: smokingfrog

Epi pens with atropine.


44 posted on 03/13/2014 9:42:37 PM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: Trueblackman

Flying around for four hours, tells me they had a pretty good idea where they wanted to go..if it did crash at sea perhaps a few of the passengers did what Flight 93 did and tried to take back the plane and it crashed


45 posted on 03/13/2014 9:45:50 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I cant explain it because I don’t completely understand the technical issues involved. What I tried to get across is that all the wireless tech guru talking heads that I’ve seen on TV and read on the internet and one guru type I’ve talked to in person have told me that the idea that the families heard working phones has been debunked. As I said, I do not fully understand the technical details that they explained, but the take away was that the phones were not active. Are their conclusions true? I don’t know.


46 posted on 03/13/2014 9:46:33 PM PDT by fatman6502002
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To: 43north

What Muzzie, especially Iranian, could pass up the opportunity to be part of an op to decapitate the Great Satan’s (America) financial system or the political leadership in DC?

Then its off to destroy the Little Satan (Israel) with no one to stop them. There are plenty of Muslim Brotherhood affiliates running the show in Muzzie countries all around Israel after the Arab Spring.

We have four blood red Moons coming up over the next two years with each one taking place on the holidays of Passover and Sukkot (Festival of Booths/Tabernacles). This doesn’t happen very often but when it does major things happen to Jews and Israel.

Will Lunar Eclipses Cause Four Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/07/12/lunar-eclipses-cause-blood-moons

Four ‘blood-red’ total lunar eclipses will fall on Passover and Sukkot in 2014 and 2015, the same back-to-back occurrences at the time of 1492, 1948 and 1967
http://watch.org/showprint.php3?idx=104119&mcat=24&rtn=index.html

Messiah is supposed to go public sometime after Ariel Sharon dies.
The Rabbi, the Note and the Messiah
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23877/Default.aspx

Prophetic twist to Sharon’s imminent death
http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/prophetic-twist-to-sharons-imminent-death/
Israeli former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s health ‘worsens’
http://www.dw.de/israeli-former-prime-minister-ariel-sharons-health-worsens/a-17336998

12th-century rabbi predicted Israel’s future (Messiah in 2017)
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/12th-century-rabbi-predicted-israels-future/

Egyptian Astrologer: The Jews Will be Stronger in 2014
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175827#.UtBpPbR1ItI
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/4088.htm

Saturn going into a fire sign.

The one letter in the Hebrew aleph-bet that looks like fire is the Shin and symbolically represents divine power.

It makes an ss sound and a sh sound.

It’s used in Hebrew words like ‘shaddai’ as in El Shaddai (God Almighty), Shalom (peace and tranquility), Shalem (wholeness, completeness, perfection), and my favorite , Shabbat (Sabbath - rest, the Seventh day of creation, oath, promise, vow, pledge).

‘Saturn’ in Hebrew starts with a Shin. The word fire(aish) and Israel(Yisrael) both have a Shin in them as well as the word Messiah (Maschiach).

This letter is also used on the case of the housing that holds a mezuzah (small parchment) with Hebrew writing on it. It is placed on the doorposts per Gods commandment.

The teffilin (phylacteries) that are used during prayer have a Shin on them. The SHIN appears on tefillin in two forms: on the left side of the one worn on the head, the letter is embossed with four splays, while on the right side of the one used for the arm, the standard three-headed version of the letter is used. These two forms represent the two kinds of Divine wisdom: the revealed and the concealed.

And what do goy astrologers say about Saturn being in Sagittarius?
Found this.

Saturn in Sagittarius is serious when it comes to philosophy, education and religion. They are highly principled, believing that people earn their achievements through hard work. Reputation is very important to them. They may not have been able to get the education they desired, so many are self-taught to a degree. Intellectual capability is important to them. They may be skeptical and need to prove their theories.

Sagittarius Saturn is conservative, and they change only with much resistance. They may be very narrow-minded when it comes to philosophy or religion. With Saturn in Sagittarius, it gains structure and goals. They love to learn and now they have the focus they need. Alternatively, they can also develop tunnel vision.

They may be attracted to games of chance. They enjoy the adventure and excitement associated with it. They are very logical. It is hard for them to appreciate the magic in a sunset or a rainbow. They may fear they will be punished if they don’t live on the straight and narrow. If they let fear rule their life, they may become cynical, critical and forlorn.

Alternatively, Saturn in Sagittarius can become disillusioned with authority and create their own through the use of strong intuition. By letting go of their fear, they can evolve into a better self. They still want their freedom, just with rules. They like to travel.

Sagittarius Saturn must learn to trust. They may be open and honest, or careless, rebellious and indecisive. Unless they learn to open up, they will continue to suffer. They may need to judge more carefully or learn what is appropriate and what is not. Once they work through their issues they can become a recognized authority in their chosen field or gain distinction in some other way.

Physically, Saturn in Sagittarius may suffer difficulties with the muscles, hips, sciatic nerve and liver. Exercise is important to keep flexibility in these areas.

Which way does the Sagittarius symbol point?

Up towards the heavens like fire, of course!


47 posted on 03/13/2014 9:46:44 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“On qq, it shows when your phone is on.”

So what would cause QQ to show these smartphones as being on and online for three days after the crash? Can anyone explain that one to me?

Maybe Jonah’s whale popped up, ate them, and then spit them out on land near a cellphone tower?

Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?


48 posted on 03/13/2014 9:49:30 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The only problem in that is the 777-200 massive wing span, you need a massively open area land one and length of a runway is not a problem as she can land with as little as 5000 feet, if I remember correctly she has the same brakes and thrust reversers as the C-17.


49 posted on 03/13/2014 9:50:07 PM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: VRWC For Truth
Red herring. There are no cell phone towers in the middle of the ocean.

If in the plane was in the middle of the ocean, the of course. But by the time the families realized something was amiss an started checking the phones it could have been over land according to the most recent speculation.

If the plane never made it to land, certainly you are correct.

50 posted on 03/13/2014 9:50:34 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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