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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 11 MARCH 14, 2014
Free Republic | March 14, 2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 03/14/2014 12:57:29 PM PDT by greeneyes

Posted on Friday, March 07, 2014 2:18:07 PM by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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The sky's are a bit gray here in Missouri, but the temps are moderate 50s. We actually hit 80 degrees earlier this week, and then plunged to freezing that night with a light dusting of snow.

I started prepping a small potato bed, by turning under the winter rye. My indoor tomato plant has 4 tomatoes about as big around as quarters, 2 pea size, and several flowers. I flip the stems as I walk by them for pollination.

I am thinking I will set this tomato (pot and all) into the ground. Then main stem has curved over the pot and hangs down to the bottom of the pot, so I can get some more roots by burying that piece in the ground and see how it works.

I have a tentative garden plan noted on my garden space sheets. Will probably plant a few seeds indoors next week.

When I got out my planning file, I ran across some interesting material that I thought might be of interest to some:

http://extension.missouri.edu/explorepdf/agguides/hort/g06201.pdf

The above link has a nice 1 page planner giving some nutrional information and the amount needed for one person for fresh vegetables and additional for processing. It also has the days from planting to eating stage. The rest of the Guide gives specifics for brands that grow particularly well in Missouri.

http://grandpappy.org/gvegetab.htm

This link provides Vegetable Recommendations for New Gardners. He also has several artiles and guides for survival in hard times which may be of interest to some of you who are also interested in preparing to be self sufficient, or how to survive on a modest budget etc.

Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 03/14/2014 12:57:29 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

Indoor tomato plant already has some fruits on it? You must have started from seed back in Dec or early January.
What variety are they?


2 posted on 03/14/2014 1:01:47 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes; ResisTyr; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ..

Pinging the list.


3 posted on 03/14/2014 1:03:10 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Yes, when did you start the tomatoes?? I only have some seedlings right now.


4 posted on 03/14/2014 1:05:05 PM PDT by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: greeneyes

Glad to hear of some progress there.

It’s a big sky perfect day here. I’ve been outside finishing my raised container garden, and planted a few things.

It felt glad to be alive today; not been much of that this winter.


5 posted on 03/14/2014 1:07:41 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Hate is what people that hate the truth call the truth.)
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To: tflabo

I lost the tag, so I have no idea. I didn’t have any tomato stalks worth saving last fall, so I planted a seed in a 6 inch pot in the late fall.

It may have been that unknown that I call perfect size. In 2010 I planted different varieties of tomatoes, and all the labels faded too much to read by harvest time.

I had one plant that was way bigger than a cherry tomato, but undersized for slicing tomato. It was just the right size for chopping and adding to a salad. So I just nicknamed it perfect size. It’s an heirloom(I didn’t plant any hybrids in 2010).


6 posted on 03/14/2014 1:10:29 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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Dale Nelson, local weatherman at Kris TV, Corpus Christi, Tx is a master gardener and is huge demand at gardening symposiums.

There are two Tomato formulas... One formula for sandy soil and one for clay soil. The first time you use the tomato formula use the "Original" formula no matter what type of soil you have.

Original Formula / Sandy Soil 1 cup 10-20-10 (1-2-1 ratio) fertilizer 1/4 cup super phosphate 1/2 cup gypsum 2 cups cow manure Dig a hole and mix ingredients. Then, add regular dirt on top of formula before placing tomato plant in hole. Otherwise, formula will burn the roots of the plant. Don't let formula touch the roots when they are first planted. Let the plant grow into the formula. Water regularly. Stand back and watch them grow! Best varieties are Sonny, Bingo, Carnival, Heatwave, Celebrity, Big Boy, Better Boy and President. Best cherry tomatoes to use are small Fry and Cherry Grande. Everything needed is available at any local nursery.

Caution: Please be aware that excessive use of phosphorus in our clay soil over a long period of time can be non beneficial to your plants.

Clay Soil* 1 Cup 21-0-0 (1-0-0 Ratio) Ammonium Sulphate 3/4 Cup Gypsum 2 Cups Cow Manure Mix these ingredients together with existing garden soil and plant one tomato plant per hole mixture.

*Most clay soils in this area already have too much super phosphate, which tends to stay in the soil for a long period of time. The local nursery people tell me, the best way to correct this is by adding ammonium sulphate which is 21-0-0.

http://www.kristv.com/pages/dales-tomato-formula/

7 posted on 03/14/2014 1:17:11 PM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: MiddleEarth

I started it late fall early winter - don’t remember the exact date. I haven’t yet started tomato seeds for transplanting. That typically happens around St Patty’s day.

This was an experiment to see if I could get a really big jump on the season this way. You know how it is with salads?

In the spring, there’s plenty of lettuce for salads, but the tomatoes are not ripe yet. Supermarket tomatoes - can’t stand the lack of flavor. I am hoping this will give me fresh tomatoes to go with my early lettuce and spinach this year.

In the past I have chopped off tomato limbs with green tomatoes and flowers in the fall, stuck them in dirt, and had a few ripe tomatoes all winter long.

This year my tomatoes weren’t great, and I didn’t get to have tomatoes all winter. So I just decided to plant a seed and see how it works for early spring tomatoes.


8 posted on 03/14/2014 1:18:36 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: patriot08

Thanks for sharing that information. It should be very helpful to all of us who love to grow tomatoes.


9 posted on 03/14/2014 1:22:04 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; rightly_dividing; sockmonkey; Nepeta; Silentgypsy; ApplegateRanch; ...

Yesterday, I planted a lettuce strip in a long wood planter sitting on the dirt part of the garden. Then, I put a net over it and I did a very good job of that. I had four ground spikes to use to pin it to the ground but I needed it more secure on the side with just one spike. Ha ha, two remaining rose bushes butt up to that side of the planter. I had gloves on so that protected me from sharp rose thorns so I bunched up some net and stuck it into the lower thorns and did the same at the other end of the planter where the other rose bush is. That netting is staying on those thorns. I watered that new potting soil mix I put in that planter but added a bit more after the lettuce strip was put in. Ain’t no squirrels or birds gonna mess with my lettuce seeds this year.

Today was a big planting day – plants from the greenhouse went into permanent containers. Three big containers now contain four Deck Corn plants in each. One T squash was planted in the big barrel I used last year and I don’t have another T squash to plant due to the rest of them being in Jiffy crap which did nothing. Soon as the other seed starter gets here, I’ll have to plant more T squash seed. Transplanted a Fooled You Jalapeno pepper, sweet banana peppers and I have more peppers to transplant out of the greenhouse. Transplanted Snow Bird peas and Masterpiece peas.

Before the day is over will transplant seedlings from cups into larger pots but that will be done inside.

The plants that did not live in the greenhouse are Sweet Basil, and there are a couple of peppers barely alive. All the Carolina Cucumbers, Home Made Pickles cucumbers died in the cold even though they were covered. I had already replanted seeds for Home Made Pickles and have four to transplant out of cups today. I also have 4 Natl. Pickling Cucumbers to transplant out of cups and have two seedlings of Peas In A Pot to transplant. Have two Supreme Hybrid cucumbers to transplant and gobs of carrot seedlings to transplant.

Part of this morning was preparing the larger pots to receive the seedlings so that is ready.

I am stopped now because Yorkie is at the groomer and they should be calling soon for me to get her. When I get back, then I will put on gloves and start transplanting.

I got an email from Burpee this morning and there is no shipping on anything for three days, starting tomorrow, Sat., Sun., Mon. - Put this code in: SPRING14 to get free shipping. I found a tomato seed there I’m going to get and use that one only to try to grow in the house in the winter. Note the exceptional nutrient value and how do they manage to put more nutrient in one tomato than another? PLUS, it in an indeterminate, will keep on producing. Naturally, it is a cherry tomato suitable for containers and I’ll try house growing. Consider the rest in quotes:

Tomato, Cherry Punch Hybrid
Tops for taste and nutrition with 30% more vitamin C of an average tomato and 40% more lycopene. Burpee Exclusive
These tasty red beauties are little giants when it comes to taste and nutrition—with 30% more vitamin C and 40% more lycopene than the average tomato. 24” high x 36” wide plants commence a steady bounty of 1” fruits in just 48 days. Indeterminate. Days to Maturity: 48 days Height: 24 inches
Sowing Method: Indoor Sow

http://www.burpee.com/vegetables/tomatoes/cherry/tomato-cherry-punch-hybrid-prod002744.html


10 posted on 03/14/2014 1:22:17 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today.))
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To: greeneyes

Thank you for links!!!


11 posted on 03/14/2014 1:23:33 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Make sure she doesn’t get ahold of the gom jabbar)
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To: rightly_dividing

I am itching to plant something here - but I know that it’s too early - odds are high that the effort will be crippled by several more frosts/freezes.

Best to concentrate on bed preparation and clean up chores ughhhhh.LOL


12 posted on 03/14/2014 1:25:04 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: patriot08

Thanks for info! Soil structure’s a mystery to me. Now on my second library book about it.


13 posted on 03/14/2014 1:27:56 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Make sure she doesn’t get ahold of the gom jabbar)
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To: greeneyes; MiddleEarth; All
Well here's my top 2 'maters experiment from seed planted on Feb 1. These seeds were from a store bought Roma (I think) and to be planted mid April or so here in N. Tx. Maybe next year I will do heirloom seeds. Like my cheapskate pots style? (;


14 posted on 03/14/2014 1:30:36 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Marcella

Sounds like a great tomato to try for indoors, especially like the 48 days to maturity.

I don’t usually plant anything but heirlooms, because I like to save the seeds, but this hybrid sounds very tempting.


15 posted on 03/14/2014 1:31:38 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Itching to plant....man, you and me both! The weather has been very nice here in the upstate of SC, highs got up in the low 80’s one day this week. We had a “cold” front come through that got us back to our normal highs and we are back in the 50’s for highs. Clear skies though but I am so tempted to plant some maters I can’t stand it!! I am just afraid it is too early.


16 posted on 03/14/2014 1:32:58 PM PDT by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: tflabo

Well done. I just put some seeds in pots 4 days ago under my new T-5 grow light and they popped out already.

If they ever legalize med mary jane in Indiana, I’m gonna be supplementing my SocSec bigtime, LOL.


17 posted on 03/14/2014 1:35:42 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Marcella

Sad to hear about basil, T squash and cukes. Basil seems relatively fragile to me. After experiencing fresh basil, we don’t want the dried stuff any more. Thanks for the Burpee information!


18 posted on 03/14/2014 1:38:59 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Make sure she doesn’t get ahold of the gom jabbar)
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To: tflabo

I love it - reusing stuff is great. My indoor tomato is 49inches measured from the dirt to the tip. It has grown in an S shaped configuration, and has lots of leaves.

I didn’t expect it to actually bloom and form tomatoes while indoors, but it is clearly ahead of the game, since it’s yet even time to start seeds for transplants here.

We are in the Ozark Plateau region, and so our plant times are similar to Northern Missouri because of this elevation.


19 posted on 03/14/2014 1:41:02 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Silentgypsy

You are welcome. For some reason they didn’t post so that all you have to do is click on them.

However if you just highlight the link, copy, and then paste onto the browser window, it will take you to the correct page.


20 posted on 03/14/2014 1:44:46 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 4everontheRight

Yep. Tomatoes don’t do diddly unless it’s at least 50 degrees at night.


21 posted on 03/14/2014 1:45:59 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

That’ll work. Sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn’t LOL!


22 posted on 03/14/2014 1:46:16 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Make sure she doesn’t get ahold of the gom jabbar)
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To: nascarnation

Is this your first T5? They are great I love mine. So much better than the older types.


23 posted on 03/14/2014 1:47:13 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I found cobra misters at home depot for clearance at 2 bucks. Gonna set them up in the green house with a timer. So excited.


24 posted on 03/14/2014 1:50:19 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: greeneyes

Yes I got shocked at how much plants were last spring ($4 for a tomato plant at Lowes!) and decided to move my process upstream.


25 posted on 03/14/2014 1:50:26 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: nascarnation
If they ever legalize med mary jane in Indiana, I’m gonna be supplementing my SocSec bigtime, LOL.

The cops or a neighbor with an ax to grind see that evil 'grow light', and they may think you're supplementing already. :-)

26 posted on 03/14/2014 1:52:24 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: greeneyes
Yep. Tomatoes don’t do diddly unless it’s at least 50 degrees at night.

True, but keeping them on the cool side with a light breeze from a fan will give you nice healthy plants with stocky stems.

27 posted on 03/14/2014 1:54:01 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

The son of a guy I worked with got busted for having a pretty large indoor growing op. He had a clean record so he avoided jail time but it has wrecked his life economically. Years after he’s still making payments on an expensive pickup truck that was seized. Can’t get a decent job, etc.


28 posted on 03/14/2014 1:57:45 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: greeneyes

I got lettuce, parsley, and a few tomatoes started. I started the tomatoes from seed I had saved from last year to see if they would indeed grow.

And they DID!!

Now I’ll just have to wait and see what I get for a crop this summer.

It’s 47 out today, after getting mailed with a winter storm Wed with a high of 20 and 14 inches of snow.

I can’t wait for spring to be here to stay.


29 posted on 03/14/2014 1:59:59 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: nascarnation

People are getting ‘swatted’ for starting vegetable seedlings inside...


30 posted on 03/14/2014 2:00:00 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: nascarnation
I got shocked at how much plants were last spring ($4 for a tomato plant at Lowes!)

Walmart has them for $3.88 ehehehehe. Scrooge that I hear ya--from now on its mostly seeds for me too plus you get so many more in number from seedlings--just the little extra work is involved.

31 posted on 03/14/2014 2:01:26 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: metmom
I started the tomatoes from seed I had saved from last year to see if they would indeed grow.

Fresh heirloom seed should ALWAYS germinate...don't be so surprised. :-)

32 posted on 03/14/2014 2:02:54 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: greeneyes
I had been wanting some raised beds for years, but I wanted them really raised, not just a foot or so. I wanted to build something from lumber, but time got away from me. I planted 4 sweet banana peppers, 4 jalapenos, 1 cayenne, a Boxcar Willie tomater, a Legend tomater, with room for more peppers. The video that got me interested in Boxcar Willies left one to free range in a raised bed and it was very productive. I am going to free range these two and see what happens. I have 2 more of each going into the main garden patch this weekend along with some store bought plants.

I turned on a sprinkler for about 45min to water them in. I will run drip line irrigation with a timer shortly. This potting soil really holds water well, so good it scares me. I will only need to run the drippers every other day with it.

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33 posted on 03/14/2014 2:06:30 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Hate is what people that hate the truth call the truth.)
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To: metmom

Its pretty satisfying saving your own seeds and watching them sprout for next season.


34 posted on 03/14/2014 2:07:10 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: CJ Wolf

Sounds like a great deal! If you can, take pics when they are up and post them pretty please.


35 posted on 03/14/2014 2:10:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: nascarnation

About the same for Walmart. Definitely too much cost for me. I’ll just plant my own for far less cost.


36 posted on 03/14/2014 2:11:51 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Tis true they don’t like excessive heat either. It’s gotta be “just right”.LOL


37 posted on 03/14/2014 2:12:49 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo
Scrooge that I hear ya--from now on its mostly seeds for me too plus you get so many more in number from seedlings--just the little extra work is involved.

If people would start saving their seed; we could have a nice little FR 'seed swap' every year. It's a GREAT way to supplement your inventory without shelling out 'big bucks'. :-)

38 posted on 03/14/2014 2:13:16 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: nascarnation

Speaking of growing Mary Jane as alternate income.. got a song here on the topic by the late Levon Helm..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsuJa8oSH7s


39 posted on 03/14/2014 2:13:23 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: metmom

Boy Howdy! Me toooooo. Spring fever has sprung! You are getting a good start it seems.


40 posted on 03/14/2014 2:14:29 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Great idea.... Just pay Uncle Sham his 50 cents envelope stamp and voila... but shhhhhh not too loud- the pols will want to tax it too da greedy tasbards.


41 posted on 03/14/2014 2:17:58 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: rightly_dividing

Looks good to me. It’s giving me and idea. I am seeing a couple of sawhorses with some scrap boards laid on top and a bunch of pots I have on hand and some maybe even some milk jugs as a raised garden on the back patio for a handy herb and salad garden.


42 posted on 03/14/2014 2:19:55 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; Marcella; patriot08; sockmonkey

greeneyes, well, you’re off to a roaring start. brrr snow! It’s nice here, today.

Carrots, turnips, & spinach up & running (made a huge difference to get the carrots in earlier) +assorted herbs & flowers started.

Finally made it to Fanick’s Tuesday & got a flat of ValleyCats, a San Marzano as a replacement for the Romas I sought, & a Big Bertha Pepper plant. Trying to go back Sunday as they hadn’t gotten their trucks yet- :-/ will probably be wiped out again.

Thank you, greeneyes, Marcella, & patriot08, for the links. Needing a cherry tomato.

patriot08- Is there anything going on at Turner’s that I/ we should know about?

Wishing everyone a great weekend, too!


43 posted on 03/14/2014 2:23:07 PM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: who knows what evil?

I don’t know that they are heirloom seeds. They are OP, supposedly.

I was more uncertain about my ability to save them correctly, than the seeds doing their thing correctly.


44 posted on 03/14/2014 2:29:31 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: greeneyes

Greetings from the 5th Snowiest City In The United States, Rochester New York.

We had 18 inches of snow fall two days ago and a bitter storm but today it’s 53 degrees and sunny. It’s hell on earth for those of us blessed with sinuses.

There’s still about four inches of sludge and snow everywhere but it’s melting fast. We are supposed to get more snow for another week or so. The rule of thumb for vegetable garden planting in upstate New York to avoid risk of frosts is to wait until Memorial Day to plant.

I’ve got some landscaping projects to do long before then. I need to dig out an existing bed so I can reorganize it, dig a few brand new beds, dig a planting bed on the side of the house with the house that’s currently just weeds, and cut back those tall grasses that I never cut back last year.


45 posted on 03/14/2014 2:30:12 PM PDT by Ueriah
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To: KGeorge

I have a packet of free seeds Tomato Principe Borghese that I am going to try this year. Grape sized fruit. An Italian tomato famous for sun drying.


46 posted on 03/14/2014 2:35:11 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

As I said on one of these threads, I wanted to build something a little nicer looking, but time got away from me, and I spotted these two shelf units sitting out in the weather with some other stuff and a little light went on. The boards are not very good ones that I never used for their original purpose. The bottom of the tubs is exactly 32” from the ground, which is just right to me for not having to bend over. This is just something for me to toy with, using some culled seedlings that would have been thrown away. They are about 3” tall but don’t show in this picture. Deeper tubs would have added too much weight when filled. It all may collapse in a soaking rainstorm anyway!


47 posted on 03/14/2014 2:35:17 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Hate is what people that hate the truth call the truth.)
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To: June2

ping for later


48 posted on 03/14/2014 2:35:46 PM PDT by June2
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To: greeneyes

This morning, picked some asparagus and lettuce and doing some pre-planting maintenance in the garden this afternoon. Going to be sore tomorrow.

This week, replanted the seed pots that didn’t come up because the house was too cold with the HVAC dying. The last indoor things to be started are the peanuts this weekend. After this, anything will be direct sowed.

This week’s cold snap got some of the chamomille and did a number on the ginger and cilantro.

The tomatillo has two flowers but it can’t go outside for another month.


49 posted on 03/14/2014 2:39:00 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Ueriah

Sounds like you have a full plate of projects just waiting to be tackled.LOL


50 posted on 03/14/2014 2:39:41 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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