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Why Bitcoin Matters For Bankers
American Banker ^ | March 16,2014 | Marc Hochstein

Posted on 03/16/2014 11:35:27 AM PDT by TsonicTsunami08

Ask Alan Lane. In October, the president and CEO of Silvergate Bank in La Jolla, Calif., was up in Sacramento for a roundtable convened by the California Bankers Association and the state's Department of Business Oversight. Reading a laundry list of about a dozen issues on the department's radar, Commissioner Jan Lynn Owen mentioned Bitcoin — the Internet currency, payment system and technology that's been grabbing headlines, igniting controversy and inspiring innovation across the globe. Lane pricked up his ears, in part because the $616 million-asset Silvergate had been in discussions about banking a Bitcoin startup.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanbanker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Science
KEYWORDS: bitcoin; currency; gold; inflation; magic; money; ponzie; shtf; vaporware
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A wonderful read for the informed and uninformed alike.
1 posted on 03/16/2014 11:35:27 AM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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2 posted on 03/16/2014 11:39:27 AM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Promoting it on Free Republic isn’t going to increase the value of your speculative investment.

Bitcoin is air. You want to buy some air? I’ll sell it to you for a dollar a gallon.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 11:52:12 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

So. Is the dollar.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 11:54:51 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Wildbill22

In fact the dollar may be more like air in a balloon than Bitcoin.


5 posted on 03/16/2014 11:59:39 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Wildbill22

Bingo.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 12:01:08 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Heh, I get a kick out of what is perhaps the ultimate form of fiat, looking down on the fiats of of the world (where at least we know who / what is behind them and how they are produced)... and you have to spend those other fiats, to buy their fiats.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 12:03:00 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: P-Marlowe

Sir/Madame,

I gave you the opportunity to put your money where your mouth is.
Are you ready to accept my proposal?


8 posted on 03/16/2014 12:12:34 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Damn right it matters to banks! One of Japan’s largest lenders, Mizuho Bank Ltd, has just been added as a defendant in the lawsuit against Mt. Gox for “losing” a half billion dollars worth of bitcoins! In other words: banks beware about getting involved with bitcoin!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/15/us-bitcoin-mtgox-mizuho-idUSBREA2E01V20140315


9 posted on 03/16/2014 12:15:18 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Wildbill22

Perhaps, but the dollar is still the strongest fiat currency in the world. Bitcoins aren’t worth two bits compared to the dollar. Bitcoins will lose most of its value overnight. Possibly 100%. The dollar might lose 10% of its purchasing value in the course of a year. That was as bad as it has ever gotten. That was during Carter.

Bitcoins are not only a fiat currency. But they can be summarily declared illegal by any government tomorrow. Then all you will be holding is a computer filled with worthless electrons.

Invest at your peril.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 12:22:22 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: catnipman

So I guess the choice is that either the government steals from us through printing money and inflation, or we get to risk the more straightforward form of theft with Bitcoin.

I’m starting to think my chances are better with Bitcoin. (And I have not yet invested)


11 posted on 03/16/2014 12:23:42 PM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: P-Marlowe

1 BTC = $640.01 US

Are you capable of stating one fact?


12 posted on 03/16/2014 12:26:36 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: Wildbill22

“So I guess the choice is that either the government steals from us through printing money and inflation, or we get to risk the more straightforward form of theft with Bitcoin.”

You could always buy precious metals, something that has been proven to hold their value for thousands of years.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 12:30:10 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: P-Marlowe

“Then all you will be holding is a computer filled with worthless electrons.”

Marlowe, is the computer filled with worthless electrons because it uses electricity?


14 posted on 03/16/2014 12:35:40 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: TsonicTsunami08
1 BTC = $640.01 US

So buy one. I don't care if you want to throw your money in the toilet.

Right now I'm selling P-Marlowe coins for $800 per coin.

So 1PMC=$800 US

Obviously the PMC is 800 times stronger than the dollar because that's what you have to pay to get one.

Can I interest you in buying a dozen?

15 posted on 03/16/2014 12:37:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

I will sell you beer bottle caps with my finger print on them for 20 bucks a piece.

I’m selling them in six pack lots and I call them Joesixpackcoin.

I promise that I will only take profit from the interest I earn. Really, I promise!

It’s more tangible than Bitcoin and more predictable than Gold.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 12:45:29 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: P-Marlowe

For you with regard to Bitcoin. There will be no victory and many wounds.
It is clear that you are incapable of rational discourse.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 12:47:01 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: P-Marlowe

NOOOOOO!
I’m doing that!


18 posted on 03/16/2014 12:47:49 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: right way right; TsonicTsunami08

Since your bottle caps are only worth 20 times the value of the dollar, the. Obviously my PM Coins are a stronger currency since they are currently on the market for $800 each. The PM Coin is even more valuable than the Bit Coin.

But then maybe you could declare a value of your Bottle Caps at $1000 each and then you could corner the fiat currency market.

If we start a fiat currency war who will win?


19 posted on 03/16/2014 12:55:16 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

The last one to type in their price before they die?
Or maybe the one who goes to jail last.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 1:05:55 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: P-Marlowe

You are a woefully ignorant Luddite.


21 posted on 03/16/2014 1:11:28 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: TsonicTsunami08
It is clear that you are incapable of rational discourse.

There's a sucker born every minute. It is clear you were one of them.

22 posted on 03/16/2014 1:11:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: HMS Surprise

You want to buy a PM Coin?


23 posted on 03/16/2014 1:12:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

“Bitcoin is air.”

And air is made up of elements. Gold, for instance, is an element. Does that mean gold is worthless?

Air is very plentiful. Bitcoins are not, more like gold.

You may not see the point of BTC, but enough other people do that they’re worth over $600 each. Feel free to not participate. :-)


24 posted on 03/16/2014 1:48:38 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
Feel free to not participate. :-)

Don't worry. I won't.

What I don't like is all these people promoting bitcoin on Free Republic like it is some kind of miracle money. Well, it is a miracle money. It's a miracle that anyone believes that it is money.

There's a sucker born every minute and IMHO everyone who thinks that bitcoin is a long term investment is a sucker.

I will be proven right on this.

This is a Bernie Maddoff Ponzie scam if there ever was one. The only difference is that nobody in the Bitcoin arena really knows who the Bernie Maddoff is. In this case the Bernie Maddoffs are all anonymous. When the SHTF, there will be nobody to sue. Your money will be gone and you won't have a clue where to find it. And you won't find it because when you buy a bitcoin, you are buying hope and when hope is gone, it is gone.

25 posted on 03/16/2014 1:54:59 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

“Bitcoins are not only a fiat currency. But they can be summarily declared illegal by any government tomorrow. Then all you will be holding is a computer filled with worthless electrons.”

BTC are certainly not a fiat currency. Do you know what that actually means? BTC is the opposite, if anything.

BTC “could” be declared illegal, but that looks very unlikely in the US and most other places. Major US retailers are taking them - TigerDirect and Overstock.com to name two.

Both BTC and gold are attractive, for different reasons. You do recall that gold was illegal in the US for quite a long time, don’t you? Which would be easier to confiscate and/or get out of the country?

By the way, as to “The dollar might lose 10% of its purchasing value in the course of a year” just remember that past performance does not guarantee future results... lol


26 posted on 03/16/2014 1:55:56 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: P-Marlowe

“This is a Bernie Maddoff Ponzie scam if there ever was one. The only difference is that nobody in the Bitcoin arena really knows who the Bernie Maddoff is. In this case the Bernie Maddoffs are all anonymous. When the SHTF, there will be nobody to sue. Your money will be gone and you won’t have a clue where to find it. And you won’t find it because when you buy a bitcoin, you are buying hope and when hope is gone, it is gone. “

Well, at least you’ve confirmed that you’re utterly clueless.

No single entity controls BTC, by design.

As to “buying hope”, you’re buying an exchange token - it is worth what someone else is willing to give you for it, just as is a US dollar. It has unique advantages, the primary one being that you can transmit any amount of wealth around the globe you choose, for a very low fee.

It’s fun watching it give some folks fit... :-)


27 posted on 03/16/2014 2:03:26 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
BTC are certainly not a fiat currency. Do you know what that actually means? BTC is the opposite, if anything.

A fiat currency is any currency that is backed by trust and not backed by a hard currency such as gold, silver, palladium, or other such commodity.

Since Bitcoins only exist in cyberspace and are not made of the material that gives them value, then they are a fiat currency.

An ounce of Gold will always be worth an ounce of gold. While the price in fiat currency to purchase that ounce of gold may change, since the currency carries with it its own intrinsic value, it is REAL money.

Bitcoins have no value other than what some idiot is willing to pay for one. You say they are worth $600 but I wouldn't give a plug nickle for one since a true plug nickle has about 5 cents worth of nickle in it.

Bitcoin is a ponzie scam. Somebody is getting rich off it, and you probably can't even tell me who it is.

28 posted on 03/16/2014 2:10:00 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe
"A fiat currency is any currency that is backed by trust and not backed by a hard currency such as gold, silver, palladium, or other such commodity."

Oxford Dictionary definition of "fiat money" (I'll ignore the "paper" part - after all a whole lot of US dollars exist only in computer memories...):

Inconvertible paper money made legal tender by a government decree.
Note the word "government". That's the biggest difference with BTC - it's independent of any government. It may well outlive almost all other current currencies.
29 posted on 03/16/2014 2:20:18 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
That's the biggest difference with BTC - it's independent of any government. It may well outlive almost all other current currencies.

Not a chance. Dream on. It won't make it into 2015.

It's a ponzi scheme and you are a sucker.

30 posted on 03/16/2014 2:39:46 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: TsonicTsunami08; P-Marlowe

I have some Amway literature for you Tsonic.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 2:52:31 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: HMS Surprise

Luddite, That is a precise definition of this person. Well stated.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 3:00:18 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: SkyPilot

Amway currency. Let’s all throw a Bitcoin party!


33 posted on 03/16/2014 3:27:30 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

As I might have mentioned P-Marlowe, I have little faith in the US Dollar because it (as all fiat currencies) are in big trouble. Currencies are based on good faith, which has been shattered by fraud, deceit, and manipulation.

But these Bitcoin threads smack of a pyramid scheme sales job.

I remember the first time an Amway cultist attempted to corner me. I was flying with a new co-pilot, and I reached into my flight bag to grab a small peanut butter cup candy. He stopped me, and said: "I can make thousands of dollars a month selling these, and so can you."

The rest of the flight, he gave me his pitch, until I finally got him to shut up. In the course of that, I must have agreed to allow him to call me later to discuss it, since I was in no mood on the descent to the airport. And call he did. For days - telling me I had to get all of my friends and family in on this "deal of a life time." All the other pilots finally had to get leadership to eventually deal with him.

34 posted on 03/16/2014 3:50:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: P-Marlowe

I meant to comment on this logic gem:

“An ounce of Gold will always be worth an ounce of gold. While the price in fiat currency to purchase that ounce of gold may change, since the currency carries with it its own intrinsic value, it is REAL money.”

So, an ounce of gold will always be worth an ounce of gold. A dollar will always be worth a dollar. And, amazingly, a BTC will always be worth a BTC.

So what exactly makes gold worth anything? It has limited industrial usefulness. It’s considerably worse than steel for most utilitarian purposes. It doesn’t tarnish, it’s shiny, it’s an unusual color, and it’s fairly rare. Women like it for jewelry. That isn’t much, in terms of “intrinsic value”.

If the “SHTF” as you put it, gold will be worth a whole lot less than it is now. Jewelry is overrated in survival situations. I expect I’ll be out of BTC *and* gold before anything like that happens.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 3:53:45 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: SkyPilot

So there, “SkyPilot”, you claim:

“Bitcoin is structured like a pyramid scheme, each wave of adopters increases the base of the pyramid and the paper gains of anyone further up.”

So, please enlighten us as to why the value of gold has skyrocketed over the last few decades? Is gold also a “pyramid scheme”?

I look forward to your doubtless enlightening answer.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 3:58:44 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: SkyPilot; TsonicTsunami08; PreciousLiberty; HMS Surprise; right way right; xzins; Travis McGee

I don’t have a lot of faith in the dollar either.

That is why I started the P-Marlowe coin.

It is currently selling for $800 each and I, as creator of this currency, promise never to mine more than a million of them. When they become the coin of the realm, each coin will be worth about a trillion dollars in today’s money.

So buying up a couple of dozen of them now would be the investment of a lifetime.

Better get on this bandwagon quick. The price can only go up.

PMC=$800 US


37 posted on 03/16/2014 3:59:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe
Bitcoin is air. You want to buy some air? I’ll sell it to you for a dollar a gallon.

Oh please, Prescient One, elucidate on flight MH370 since you obviously know everything and are willing to share your thoughts. Oh wait, I have to pick my nose.

38 posted on 03/16/2014 4:01:24 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*ou)
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To: P-Marlowe
That is why I started the P-Marlowe coin. It is currently selling for $800 each

Darn it! I remember when the P-Marlowe coin was selling for 0.65 cents! What a dummy I am.

I actually started a SkyPilot coin in February, but it hasn't caught on yet.

In any case, we know that Satan sure has a plan about all of this:

And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Revelation: 16-17

39 posted on 03/16/2014 4:27:46 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Did I enter the Democratic Underground website? This discussion has devolved into a childish, rug biting blurb. I wouldn’t raise it to the level of imbecilic. My apologies to subimbeciles everywhere.


40 posted on 03/16/2014 4:28:24 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: TsonicTsunami08; SkyPilot
Did I enter the Democratic Underground website?

IIRC, it was you who started this stupid thread. Bitcoin is pretty big over at DU. Perhaps you might get a better reception over there.

Most get rich quick schemes are, in fact, get poor quick scams.

41 posted on 03/16/2014 4:56:57 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: SkyPilot; xzins
Darn it! I remember when the P-Marlowe coin was selling for 0.65 cents! What a dummy I am.

Just think, you could have cornered the entire coin of the realm market back then for a mere investment of $650,000. You could have owned everything in the world for the cost of a mini mansion in Encino.

Now it will cost you $800,000,000 to own the world. It's still a pretty good investment. If you ask me.

42 posted on 03/16/2014 5:04:17 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe; SkyPilot

The bottom line is how useful it is in desperate times:

can you eat it
can you defend yourself with it
can you wear it
can you live in it
can you warm youself with it

So....land, seed, weapons


43 posted on 03/16/2014 5:11:02 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe
I'm going public soon with my joesixpackcoin so get in now because its only $20 today.... but tomorrow?
I am offering the positions on my left and right for $1,000,000 each this week only.

Now is the time to buy!

I am getting tired of fingerprinting the caps though so, I'm going to be
marketing a “self printing kit” and “certificates of intention to print” will be available too.

My product is way more tangible than yours.

44 posted on 03/16/2014 5:17:59 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: xzins

When you eat it, it depreciates in value.

Now a dog can puke it up and eat it again. I don’t think I could do that. And if I puked it up I don’t think I could find anyone who would be willing to buy it. But it might work as dog food in a pinch.


45 posted on 03/16/2014 5:18:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

Can I pay you for themn with my special bitcoin algorithm?


46 posted on 03/16/2014 5:22:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: xzins

As soon as the necessities are provide for, according to your list, gold will still be a store of wealth. Homes and estates will be traded for gold coins.


47 posted on 03/16/2014 5:23:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: P-Marlowe

fertilizer comes out both ends.


48 posted on 03/16/2014 5:24:34 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Well, I tend to trust gold, for the same reasons it’s been a store of value from the ancient Greeks until today.


49 posted on 03/16/2014 5:25:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I’d really prefer that you paid me with your gold and silver. :-).


50 posted on 03/16/2014 5:25:29 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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