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While the seas rise in the Outer Banks and elsewhere in NC, science treads water
News and Observer ^ | 3/16/14 | Bruce Siceloff

Posted on 03/16/2014 12:37:17 PM PDT by lafroste

RODANTHE — Coastal geologist Stan Riggs, who tracks the ups and downs of North Carolina’s shoreline, needed a bullhorn to make himself heard above a roaring nor’easter that had toyed with the Outer Banks for two days.

He climbed down from the ridge of a DOT-built dune narrowly separating N.C. 12 from the boisterous Atlantic Ocean. A bleached house named WAVE BREAKER seemed to be stilt-walking into the surf – but, really, the island itself was slipping out from under this cottage in a shrinking subdivision called Mirlo Beach.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/03/15/3702235/while-the-seas-rise-science-waits.html#storylink=cpy

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They claim that sea level is rising, but take the pic during a storm. Am I missing something? Both the antarctic and arctic polar ice caps are expanding. Or am I wrong?
1 posted on 03/16/2014 12:37:17 PM PDT by lafroste
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To: lafroste

Here's the pic published with the story.

2 posted on 03/16/2014 12:40:21 PM PDT by lafroste
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To: lafroste

It’s all sand-Here today, gone tomorrow.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 12:40:33 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: lafroste

There are local sea level rises due to the shifting of ocean currents. If you look at a chart of the changes you can see that the rises are not at all even.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 12:41:09 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lafroste

Go to any beach bar in Florida and you’ll likely see photos on the wall of the beach in front of the bar as it was in the ‘20’s, ‘30’s, ‘40’s or ‘50’s. It’s the same distance from the bar that it is now. If the seas were rising, it wouldn’t be just in North Carolina. It’s astonishing these warmers can face the public without shame and blushing.


5 posted on 03/16/2014 12:41:29 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

When junk science taughteth, junk science receiveth.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 12:43:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: lafroste

Some of what they are counting as “rise” is simple erosion.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 12:44:42 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: lafroste

Sea levels supposedly rising are confounded by the fact that some coastlines are sinking, and by erosion of coastlines.

My understanding is that actual sea levels are rising very slowly, as they have for thousands of years.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 12:44:43 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: lafroste

I want a simple answer. .is water rising or the land sinking? A survey either old school or gps will tell you... you give me that first answer and if the water is rising then we will talk why


9 posted on 03/16/2014 12:46:02 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: lafroste

When I was in school they said that much of the east coast sea floor was subsiding. Kinda like the Mississippi delta.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 12:46:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: lafroste

South east virginia is sinking... I would google that but aa&t data service is f-ed up in the DC area... No google no gmail, no texting


11 posted on 03/16/2014 12:47:17 PM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Darksheare
Some Most of what they are counting as “rise” is simple erosion.

There, fixed it.

12 posted on 03/16/2014 12:48:27 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: lafroste

I used to live here. Years ago you could occasionally ,at an extremely low tide with a washed out beach, see the stumps of trees in the water. Some of the cottages in the Nags Head area were one hundred yards further east than where they are today. That is pretty far out in the ocean. The beach sand has been heading south for a hundred years before the global warming obsession.
I don’t know the answer to this problem but it is not new.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 12:50:58 PM PDT by Howe_D_Dewty
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To: FreedomPoster

And some is simple subsistence of land.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 12:51:21 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: lafroste

If if wasn’t for National Flood Insurance (you know, where the taxpayers pay to remodel someone else’s beach home every couple of years) there would be no houses on the Outer Banks.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 12:51:22 PM PDT by anton
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To: lafroste

Mirlo Beach is on one of the thinest parts of Hatteras Island. An inlet has been wanting to break through there for years. In fact, I think one did after a storm not so long ago and DOT filled it in. This has nothing to do with sea level rise. It has to do with changes to the beach up and down the coast. Nor’easters simply want to erode the beach and when that happens on barrier islands, sometimes it connects to the sound. If houses are in the way, too bad.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 12:51:25 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: lafroste

you’re not wrong sea levels are not rising hence global warming is a hoax

Now there’s more ice at South Pole than ever (So much for global warming thawing Antarctica!)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2216238/Now-theres-ice-South-Pole-So-global-warming-thawing-Antarctica.html

i’m sure the media would have blasted it all over if any beach house or hotel anywhere near the beach would be now under water right? so no sea level rise ever


17 posted on 03/16/2014 12:51:27 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: lafroste

Actually it is rising but only about 0.5mm per year on average.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 12:53:19 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Howe_D_Dewty
The beach sand has been heading south for a hundred years before the global warming obsession.

Shocking! When facts conflict with progressive theory, they tend to get lost in the MSM.

19 posted on 03/16/2014 12:54:31 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Darksheare
"Some of what they are counting as “rise” is simple erosion."

IIRC the Outer Banks are the ancient coastline of the area now known as North Carolina.

Which means the Pamlico Sound was once dry land long before modern man trod the shores of North America.

The Outer Banks are mostly made up of sand and as such have been growing and receding for years. The sand is washed away then piled back up then washed away then piled back up. Same thing happens in Virginia Beach to the North. Lately the sand has been washing away and not getting piled back up.

Its not that sea levels are rising there but the currents are just washing away the sand.

20 posted on 03/16/2014 12:54:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

according to who government funded scientists or CNN?

Now there’s more ice at South Pole than ever (So much for global warming thawing Antarctica!)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2216238/Now-theres-ice-South-Pole-So-global-warming-thawing-Antarctica.html

so where is all the water coming from if the ice is growing at the poles? no sea level rise .


21 posted on 03/16/2014 12:55:26 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: lafroste

Matthew 7:24-27

New International Version (NIV)

The Wise and Foolish Builders

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

22 posted on 03/16/2014 12:56:03 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: lafroste

My family used to vacation/camp at Nagshead and Hatteres during the 50s. One time there was a storm and the next day the word went round that the road north out of Hatteres was cut and would take 3 days to repair which didn’t bother us cause we still had a weeks more vacation to go. Found the best seashells ever for the next few days.


23 posted on 03/16/2014 1:00:11 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: lafroste

They should Google “tide”..but don’t tell them it is happening a couple times a day...they’ll panic.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 1:02:48 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jeffersony")
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To: lafroste; All

Try to fix and reinforce the pillings with concrete and the EPA will be all over their butt. What they might be able to do with this is lower and move the structure inland and relocate it. Even doing this is going involve reams (500 sheets) of paperwork in dollars and permits.


25 posted on 03/16/2014 1:05:37 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Democrat_media

And the ice at the North Pole is 60% above average.

Like I said, the rise has been measure at only 0.5mm per year.

Do you realize how little that is?


26 posted on 03/16/2014 1:05:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Democrat_media

Between 1870 and 2004, global average sea levels rose 195 mm (7.7 in), 1.46 mm (0.057 in) per year.[5] From 1950 to 2009, measurements show an average annual rise in sea level of 1.7 ± 0.3 mm per year, with satellite data showing a rise of 3.3 ± 0.4 mm per year from 1993 to 2009,[6] a faster rate of increase than previously estimated.[7] It is unclear whether the increased rate reflects an increase in the underlying long-term trend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise


27 posted on 03/16/2014 1:07:58 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

that’s a little but world wide that is a lot of water , so where is it coming from if true? consider the source .


28 posted on 03/16/2014 1:08:15 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Bulwinkle
Here is the problem...I Do believe in science and in my business engineering and evermore in failure and troubleshooting analysis. ..I use scientific principles ever dam day..

The problem is the global warming purveyors ..99 percent of them are not practicing any kind of science there's simply regurgitating what someone told them..

It the Church of global warming and its member..

A priest has told the congregation what their sin is (co2 ) and their punishment for the sin is ( a hot hell on earth) and what then must sacrifice (their prosperity and freedom) to appease Gaia. And all the member of this new Eco religion scream “Heretic! Burn them! “ at anybody the questions them.

Guess what I'm a heretic because I have read and do practice from the Book of Science...I don not just follow what the priest tell me...guess that would make me a Science Protestant

29 posted on 03/16/2014 1:08:16 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: lepton

It could also be land levls are sinking


30 posted on 03/16/2014 1:08:27 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I don’t buy any of that crap

it’s getting colder,ice at poles is increasing which would cause a lowering of sea levels if anything.

coldest winter ever imo

where is water coming from if sea levels are rising as ice is increasing?


31 posted on 03/16/2014 1:11:34 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: lafroste

It’s called erosion.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 1:11:46 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: al baby

Land around the Great Lakes is rising, left over from the weight of the ice ten thousand years ago.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 1:11:52 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Democrat_media

Where is it coming from exactly? Don’t know. But I have a theory.

From within the Earth.

Remember the Flood story?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/tools/flood-waters.asp

In telling us about the world-changing Flood in the days of Noah, the Bible gives us much information about where the waters came from and where they went. The sources of the water are given in Genesis 7:11 as “the fountains of the great deep” and the “windows of heaven.”

The “fountains of the great deep” are mentioned before the “windows of heaven,” indicating either relative importance or the order of events.

What are the “fountains of the great deep?” This phrase is used only in Genesis 7:11. “Fountains of the deep” is used in Genesis 8:2, where it clearly refers to the same thing, and Proverbs 8:28, where the precise meaning is not clear. “The great deep” is used three other times: Isaiah 51:10, where it clearly refers to the ocean; Amos 7:4, where God’s fire of judgement is said to dry up the great deep, probably the oceans; and Psalm 36:6 where it is used metaphorically of the depth of God’s justice/judgement. “The deep” is used more often, and usually refers to the oceans (e.g., Genesis 1:2; Job 38:30, 41:32; Psalm 42:7, 104:6; Isaiah 51:10, 63:13; Ezekiel 26:19; Jonah 2:3), but sometimes to subterranean sources of water (Ezekiel 31:4, 15). The Hebrew word (mayan) translated “fountains” means “fountain, spring, well.”

So, the “fountains of the great deep” are probably oceanic or possibly subterranean sources of water. In the context of the flood account, it could mean both.

If the fountains of the great deep were the major source of the waters, then they must have been a huge source of water. Some have suggested that when God made the dry land appear from under the waters on the third day of creation, some of the water that covered the earth became trapped underneath and within the dry land.2

Genesis 7:11 says that on the day the flood began, there was a “breaking up” of the fountains, which implies a release of the water, possibly through large fissures in the ground or in the sea floor. The waters that had been held back burst forth with catastrophic consequences.

There are many volcanic rocks interspersed between the fossil layers in the rock record—layers that were obviously deposited during Noah’s flood. So it is quite plausible that these fountains of the great deep involved a series of volcanic eruptions with prodigious amounts of water bursting up through the ground. It is interesting that up to 70 percent or more of what comes out of volcanoes today is water, often in the form of steam.

In their catastrophic plate tectonics model for the flood, Austin et al. have proposed that at the onset of the flood, the ocean floor rapidly lifted up to 6,500 feet (2,000 meters) due to an increase in temperature as horizontal movement of the tectonic plates accelerated.3 This would spill the seawater onto the land and cause massive flooding—perhaps what is aptly described as the breaking up of the “fountains of the great deep.”


34 posted on 03/16/2014 1:13:03 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: tophat9000
I want a simple answer. .is water rising or the land sinking? A survey either old school or gps will tell you... you give me that first answer and if the water is rising then we will talk why

Well surveyed tidal gauges have 100 year plus histories and provide reliable measures of the sea level history. Sea levels have risen at most five inches since the 1970's, not an insignificant amount, but far too little to have any of the dramatic effects being ascribed to them.

35 posted on 03/16/2014 1:13:54 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: lafroste

It says it’s for rent. I’ll bet we could get a sweet deal on this little honey !


36 posted on 03/16/2014 1:14:13 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Democrat_media

So you think all of those sea level measuring instruments have been lying since modern measurements in the late 1800s?


37 posted on 03/16/2014 1:14:23 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The Gulf Coast in Texas and Louisiana has been subsiding for decades. Parts of Baytown have sunk feet, ocean levels relatively constant.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 1:15:29 PM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Democrat_media

Keep in mind that before the last ice age ended sea level was about 500 feet lower than it is today. That’s about where the edge of the shelf of each continent.


39 posted on 03/16/2014 1:16:35 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: lafroste
When calculating the background rate of relative sea-level rise, it is necessary to remove the modern component, as this will overestimate the background rate due to the sea-level rise experienced during the 20th century (~0.2 – 0.3 m along the US Atlantic coast).

14 Outer Banks, North Carolina 1.0 ± 0.1 N/A Horton et al.; 2009 Cinquemani et al., 1982

15 Beaufort, North Carolina 0.7 ± 0.1 N/A Horton et al. 2009; Cinquemani et al., 1982; Spaur and Snyder, 1999

16 Wilmington, North Carolina 0.8 ± 0.3 N/A Cinquemani et al., 1982

40 posted on 03/16/2014 1:17:51 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Exactly.


41 posted on 03/16/2014 1:18:25 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Almost all of the coal in the midwest dips to the Southwest.


42 posted on 03/16/2014 1:18:44 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Gen.Blather
It’s astonishing these warmers can face the public without shame and blushing

It furthers the Revolution. Why should they be ashamed?

43 posted on 03/16/2014 1:20:32 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I don't believe anything from gov funded scientists nor news media. i live below sea level . no sea level rise. this is what affects the Earth's climate but it hasn't really changed and won't for centuries. you are talking about .5 mm or whatever. they can fudge that and is usually below the level of error. ice at poles is growing so if anything sea levels lowering not rising


44 posted on 03/16/2014 1:21:47 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Howe_D_Dewty
I don’t know the answer to this problem but it is not new.

I don't even see this as a "problem." The oceans and the lands have been shiftng horzontally and vertically since the beginning of time and there is absolutely nothing that any of us can do about it.

45 posted on 03/16/2014 1:22:25 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Bulwinkle

Meanwhile, New York state is uplifting. The more things change....


46 posted on 03/16/2014 1:22:41 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“the fountains of the great deep”
The sewers backed up.


47 posted on 03/16/2014 1:23:21 PM PDT by MCF
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To: lafroste

I grew up in the Va Beach area and summered in the Nags Head area and it is a known fact people have always built too close to the oceanfront up and down the coast. They compromised the sand dune lines and eventually a storm will wash away the dunes. That happened years ago in Kitty Hawk and many people lost homes and today there is not enough on the beach side of the ocean road to build.


48 posted on 03/16/2014 1:23:30 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: MCF

ROFLMAO!!!


49 posted on 03/16/2014 1:25:01 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
500 feet is a change we can see.

.5 mm is not something that can be proven nor anything to be alarmed about even if true

ice at poles growing so if anything sea levels are lowering

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html

But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.

Despite fluctuations down as well as up, “the sea is not rising,” he says. “It hasn't risen in 50 years.

50 posted on 03/16/2014 1:28:17 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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