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Rumors Flying Nearly as Fast as Their Subject: Have Gravitational Waves Been Detected?
Universe Today ^ | March 16, 2014 | Shannon Hall

Posted on 03/16/2014 1:41:54 PM PDT by lbryce

Last week the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) stated rather nonchalantly that they will be hosting a press conference on Monday, March 17th, to announce a “major discovery.” Without a potential topic for journalists to muse on, this was as melodramatic as it got.

But then the Guardian posted an article on the subject and the rumors went into overdrive. The speculation is this: a U.S. team is on the verge of confirming they have detected primordial gravitational waves — ripples in the fabric of spacetime that carry echoes of the big bang nearly 14 billion years ago.

If there is evidence for gravitational waves, it will be a landmark discovery, ultimately changing the face of physics.

Not only are gravitational waves the last untested prediction of Albert Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, but primordial gravitational waves will allow astronomers to glimpse the universe in its infancy.

“It’s been called the Holy Grail of cosmology,” Hiranya Peiris, a cosmologist from University College London, told the Guardian. “It would be a real major, major, major discovery.” Any convincing evidence would almost certainly lead to a Nobel prize.

The signal is rumored to have been found by a telescope known as BICEP (Background Imaging of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization), which scans the sky from the south pole, looking for a subtle effect in the cosmic microwave background (CMB): the radiation released 380,000 years after the big bang when space became transparent to light and photons were allowed to travel freely across the universe.

(Excerpt) Read more at universetoday.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: einstien; gravitionalwaves; theoryofrelativity
If there is evidence for gravitational waves, it will be a landmark discovery, ultimately changing the face of physics.

To read the first few words of the headlines, you might have thought some missing aircraft was located or something.

Being a Jew, The Nazis would mock Albert Einstein for his Theory of Relativity and would never call him Albert Einstein or Dr. Einstein, They'd call him The Relativity-Jew-Einstein.

Any theory, scientific supposition or even ideology if it's source was Jewish, the Nazis would condemn, be resolutely against it, no matter what. This is the sole, single reason why Hitler despised Communism. For no other reason other than it was inspired by a Jew. I've always contended that the Nazis would never have built the atom bomb because to do so would have forced them to subscribe to the theories of Jews. The team that created the atom bomb via the Manhattan Project were nine scientists specialists in their respective field, each one was a fundamental key component for building an atom bomb and it just happens to have been that all nine scientists were Jews.

1 posted on 03/16/2014 1:41:54 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce
The holy grail of cosmology is plasma, Birkeland currents, and Herbig/Haro objects.

Gravity is by 40 orders of magnitude the weakest force in nature. Asking gravity to form up solar systems or hold galaxies together is like asking the littlest kid in the school to do the powerlifting event.

2 posted on 03/16/2014 1:47:27 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: lbryce

I hope they announce there are Nazis living on the Moon.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 1:48:26 PM PDT by isom35
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To: isom35

Nah, they’ll announce the primordial force is nothing more than the inexorable pull of funding needs drawing all citizens’ money to Washington DC. The speed of increase in the field strength has been increasing at an exponential rate since 1913.


5 posted on 03/16/2014 1:52:09 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: lbryce

Can warp drive be far behind?


6 posted on 03/16/2014 1:53:42 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: varmintman

Gravity sucks. It’s been holding me down for years.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 1:56:01 PM PDT by proudpapa (Scott Walker - 2016)
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To: lbryce

The big announcement for tomorrow.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 1:57:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: proudpapa

There is no such thing as gravity. The whole earth sucks.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 1:58:52 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: varmintman

I stand corrected. Thank you.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 1:59:20 PM PDT by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: varmintman

“Ron Hatch, the man who holds most of the patents on GPS, says that relativity is a bunch of bullshit and worse, that GPS works entirely on Newtonian physics and that, were you to try to make it work on Einsteinian physics, it would not work. “

That is not exactly what he said.

Directly to the point, he DOES NOT say that it works entirely on Newtonian physics!


11 posted on 03/16/2014 2:10:01 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: lbryce

I was really hoping some gravitons would show up to the party.


12 posted on 03/16/2014 2:17:39 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Here's what happens when you run out of gravitons.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 2:29:54 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I just messed up my tagline. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: TexasGator
GPS and Relativity Misconceptions 1.
14 posted on 03/16/2014 2:31:08 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
There is no such thing as gravity. The whole earth sucks.

Life sucks, then you die and that sucks.

15 posted on 03/16/2014 2:34:23 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Shock diamonds?


16 posted on 03/16/2014 2:36:01 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Cboldt

http://web.stcloudstate.edu/ruwang/ION58PROCEEDINGS.pdf


17 posted on 03/16/2014 2:41:04 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: lbryce
Polarization in the cosmic microwave background (Oct 1, 2013) Will we ever be able to detect gravitons – the quanta of the gravitational field?

Source: http://www.daviddarling.info/archive/2013/archiveOct13_2.html

18 posted on 03/16/2014 2:41:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I just messed up my tagline. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: isom35
“Last week the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) stated rather nonchalantly that they will be hosting a press conference on Monday, March 17th, to announce a “major discovery.”

Announcing the new Segway II.

19 posted on 03/16/2014 2:45:29 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Like a fat chick on a waterbed.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 3:18:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

ROFLMAO!!!


21 posted on 03/16/2014 3:20:36 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: lbryce
If there is evidence for gravitational waves

Yep, there's evidence. The crest of one of those waves hits my bathroom scale every morning.

22 posted on 03/16/2014 3:30:41 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: MUDDOG

Good question — what industrial potential does this discovery have?


23 posted on 03/16/2014 3:48:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
I might could tell you if I hadn't cancelled Scientific American in June 2009 when they named Obama one of their top ten Americans in science.

But it seems like almost all the industrial apps come out of quantum mechanics rather than relativity.

Though I expect it'll have a practical impact someday (if we avoid destroying ourselves in the meantime.)

24 posted on 03/16/2014 3:58:13 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: isom35

“I hope they announce there are Nazis living on the Moon”

Coke Zero just attained escape velocity coming out of both nostrils.


25 posted on 03/16/2014 4:09:59 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: lbryce
If gravitational waves are the Holy Grail of cosmology
is the big bang the Holy Hand Grenade?
26 posted on 03/16/2014 4:13:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: lbryce

Did they run their experiment while the Malaysian flight was in the air?


27 posted on 03/16/2014 4:15:22 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: cripplecreek

I believe Einstein once said something to the effect that for a theory to be well understood one should be able to explain it to their grandmother.

Nana, I... I.., ah...


28 posted on 03/16/2014 4:37:38 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: lbryce

Okay...what has their religion have to with anything?


29 posted on 03/16/2014 5:10:56 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: TexasGator

Newtonian physics is just an approximation of Relativity. At slow speeds, Einstein’s special relativity equations of motion are approximated by Newton’s equations. You don’t need Einstein’s equations for GPS, but they would make it more accurate. Relativity has been proven mathematically, and empirically, time and time again. Newton can get you to the moon, work on GPS, and is find in our every day life, but it gives the wrong answers at higher speeds. One day we will have a solar system positioning system and it will require relativity to be accurate.


30 posted on 03/16/2014 6:31:26 PM PDT by Do the math (Doug)
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To: TexasGator

Newtonian physics is just an approximation of Relativity. At slow speeds, Einstein’s special relativity equations of motion are approximated by Newton’s equations. You don’t need Einstein’s equations for GPS, but they would make it more accurate. Relativity has been proven mathematically, and empirically, time and time again. Newton can get you to the moon, work on GPS, and is find in our every day life, but it gives the wrong answers at higher speeds. One day we will have a solar system positioning system and it will require relativity to be accurate.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 6:32:11 PM PDT by Do the math (Doug)
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To: Do the math

find=fine ooops.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 6:33:16 PM PDT by Do the math (Doug)
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To: onedoug

Ping


33 posted on 03/16/2014 7:44:51 PM PDT by stylecouncilor
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To: lbryce

Just in time for the 100th anniversary of general relativity?


34 posted on 03/16/2014 7:56:55 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MUDDOG; lbryce

Possibly they discovered Obama’s Birth Certificate?


35 posted on 03/16/2014 8:02:54 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: stylecouncilor

“...what she say.”


36 posted on 03/16/2014 8:21:16 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: lbryce
And I once long ago heard that the Nazi team working on their counter part were not Jews ... seems it was fortuitous that they had to abandon the project since they had not thought to include shielding in their reactor ...
37 posted on 03/17/2014 6:46:05 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: lbryce

Backing the Big Bang - In breakthrough, astronomers find evidence of speedy ‘cosmic inflation’ of universe - Harvard Gazette - March 17, 2014

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/03/backing-the-big-bang/


38 posted on 03/17/2014 11:47:45 PM PDT by deks
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