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Detection of Waves in Space Buttresses Landmark Theory of Big Bang
New York Times ^ | March 17, 2014 | DENNIS OVERBYE

Posted on 03/17/2014 8:46:48 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

On Monday, Dr. Guth’s starship came in. Radio astronomers reported that they had seen the beginning of the Big Bang, and that his hypothesis, known undramatically as inflation, looked right.

Reaching back across 13.8 billion years to the first sliver of cosmic time with telescopes at the South Pole, a team of astronomers led by John M. Kovac of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics detected ripples in the fabric of space-time — so-called gravitational waves — the signature of a universe being wrenched violently apart when it was roughly a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second old. They are the long-sought smoking-gun evidence of inflation, proof, Dr. Kovac and his colleagues say, that Dr. Guth was correct.

Inflation has been the workhorse of cosmology for 35 years, though many, including Dr. Guth, wondered whether it could ever be proved.

If corroborated, Dr. Kovac’s work will stand as a landmark in science comparable to the recent discovery of dark energy pushing the universe apart, or of the Big Bang itself. It would open vast realms of time and space and energy to science and speculation.

Marc Kamionkowski of Johns Hopkins University, an early-universe expert who was not part of the team, said, “This is huge, as big as it gets.”

Dr. Kovac and his collaborators, working in an experiment known as Bicep, for Background Imaging of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization, reported their results in a scientific briefing at the Center for Astrophysics here on Monday and in a set of papers submitted to The Astrophysical Journal.

Dr. Kovac said the chance that the results were a fluke was only one in 3.5 million — a gold standard of discovery called five-sigma.

Guth pronounced himself “bowled over,” saying he had not expected such a definite confirmation in his lifetime.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: alanguth; bigbang; cosmicinflation; einstein; gravitywaves; stringtheory
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Hugh and Series!
1 posted on 03/17/2014 8:46:48 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

There will be champagne corks popping today.


2 posted on 03/17/2014 8:50:31 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Seizethecarp

What it means is that Space-Time CAN be manipulated................................


3 posted on 03/17/2014 8:51:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Red Badger

“Reaching back across 13.8 billion years”

And apply Einstein’s theory of Relativity (time and space are not constants), and you may find this took place
not “quite” that long ago, in terms of “actual” vs. “apparent” time...


4 posted on 03/17/2014 8:53:53 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: cloudmountain

“There will be champagne corks popping today.”

quote from article:

Dr. Linde, who first described the most popular variant of inflation, known as chaotic inflation, in 1983, was about to go on vacation in the Caribbean last week when Chao-Lin Kuo, a Stanford colleague and a member of Dr. Kovac’s team, knocked on his door with a bottle of Champagne to tell him the news.

Confused, Dr. Linde called out to his wife, asking if she had ordered Champagne.

“And then I told him that in the beginning we thought that this was a delivery but we did not think that we ordered anything, but I simply forgot that actually I did order it, 30 years ago,” Dr. Linde wrote in an email.

Calling from Bonaire, the Dutch Caribbean island, Dr. Linde said he was still hyperventilating. “Having news like this is the best way of spoiling a vacation,” he said.

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5 posted on 03/17/2014 8:55:16 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Red Badger

>What it means is that Space-Time CAN be manipulated....

Was, Is and Will be again. Simply finding the just-out-of-reach cookie jar is half the battle.


6 posted on 03/17/2014 8:57:46 AM PDT by soycd
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To: CondorFlight

So... reality is atemporal?


7 posted on 03/17/2014 8:58:11 AM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Seizethecarp

Scientists still suffer from Ptolemaic influences, no matter how far out their sphere of reference goes.

We’re born: I’m the center of the universe!
We’re a kid: I’m the center of the neighborhood!
We’re a schoolboy: I’m the center of the class!
We’re in college: I’m the center of my girlfriend’s world!
We’re a scientist: I’m the center of the universe!


8 posted on 03/17/2014 8:59:46 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Seizethecarp

“Dr. Kovac said the chance that the results were a fluke was only one in 3.5 million — a gold standard of discovery called five-sigma.”

Anyone know if this scientific “gold standard” is applied also to the results thus far in proving the theories of evolution and anthropogenic global warming? ( so-called “settled science”)


9 posted on 03/17/2014 9:00:10 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Seizethecarp

Theroasly...Can there be a Big Bang if there is no ear to hear it?


10 posted on 03/17/2014 9:00:20 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Seizethecarp

God works in the most mysterious, yet simplest ways.


11 posted on 03/17/2014 9:01:05 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Seizethecarp

“Hugh and Series! “

Naw! Mute and irrevalunt! A looser!


12 posted on 03/17/2014 9:01:36 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Seizethecarp
I thought the Big Bang was "Settled Science" so why are they looking for evidence to buttress it? /sarcasm off
13 posted on 03/17/2014 9:02:17 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: Seizethecarp

So, this a big deal?


14 posted on 03/17/2014 9:02:20 AM PDT by FAA
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To: Seizethecarp

Bazinga!!!!


15 posted on 03/17/2014 9:06:31 AM PDT by FreedomGuru (Time for torches and pitchforks.)
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To: silverleaf
Anyone know if this scientific “gold standard” is applied also to the results thus far in proving the theories of evolution

Evolution is a large field of biology. I imagine that genetic evidence probably is subject to such measurement standards, however other areas where the evidence is historical or observational, probably not.

16 posted on 03/17/2014 9:07:55 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: FAA

Right...do I still have to go to work today?


17 posted on 03/17/2014 9:08:13 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Seizethecarp

Great story!


18 posted on 03/17/2014 9:08:48 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Seizethecarp

Doesn’t prove the “big bang.” The “big bang” is not a sufficient explanation for the origin of the universe.


19 posted on 03/17/2014 9:14:23 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: PoloSec
Theroasly...Can there be a Big Bang if there is no ear to hear it?

We don't need to hear it. We can see it.

20 posted on 03/17/2014 9:14:31 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: MarineBrat
Scientists still suffer from Ptolemaic influences, no matter how far out their sphere of reference goes.

Hard not to be influenced by Ptolemy when dealing with the enormity of it all. He was the FIRST that we know of who would even conceive of the world "out there."

Side note: I would think that most astronomers would NOT be atheists. I took an astronomy class eons ago and still remember vividly my awe. I wasn't easily awed by professors or their subjects, but he AND astronomy HOOKED me.

21 posted on 03/17/2014 9:16:23 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: I want the USA back

22 posted on 03/17/2014 9:16:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Seizethecarp

So the universe is less than a second old, and it gets “wrenched apart”? Mighty big wrench.


23 posted on 03/17/2014 9:20:58 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Moonman62; PoloSec
We don't need to hear it. We can see it.

In actuality, we can't see the Big Bang or the so called gravity waves. We detect much of the Universe with radio telescopes, so we are actually 'hearing' it rather than seeing it.

24 posted on 03/17/2014 9:21:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I just messed up my tagline. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: I want the USA back

I know it’s a simplistic view, but it’s what I believe:

I believe in the Big Bang. God said “Let there be..” and BANG! there it was.


25 posted on 03/17/2014 9:24:18 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Ray76; CondorFlight
So... reality is atemporal?

No, not at all. In relativity, proper time is the elapsed time between two events as measured by a clock that passes through both events. Since the entire universe passed through (or arbitrarily close to ) the same point at the start of the Big Bang, all clocks are keeping proper time with respect to that event, so it is meaningful to speak of time since the big bang for any point in space time. For events long after the Big Bang and for different observers separated in space, the time interval between events can be different. See this example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_time#Example_1:_The_twin_.22paradox.22

26 posted on 03/17/2014 9:32:24 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: CondorFlight

I’ve been thinking that time itself runs faster or slower depending on gravity/mass/energy interaction too

Now if I can only get several Billion dollars grant I can prove it


27 posted on 03/17/2014 9:33:01 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: MarineBrat
Scientists still suffer from Ptolemaic influences, no matter how far out their sphere of reference goes.

It is kind of amusing to realize that relativity requires the edge of the universe to be equidistant. But it's not the same thing as being the center of the universe. Since you can only look into the past there is an ultimate limit to your perception - the ultimate horizon is the beginning of time.

28 posted on 03/17/2014 9:33:02 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: I want the USA back

“Doesn’t prove the ‘big bang.’ The ‘big bang’ is not a sufficient explanation for the origin of the universe.”

Thee article says that this model explains the portion of the universe that resulted from the “big bang” but indicates the model does NOT explain the “cosmos” within which the big bang occurred:

quote from article:

“Confirming inflation would mean that the universe we see, extending 14 billion light-years in space with its hundreds of billions of galaxies, is only an infinitesimal patch in a larger cosmos whose extent, architecture and fate are unknowable. Moreover, beyond our own universe there might be an endless number of other universes bubbling into frothy eternity, like a pot of pasta water boiling over.”

Now we are likened to bubbling pasta!


29 posted on 03/17/2014 9:37:11 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Big bang is a bunch of bullshit just like evolution, I don’t care what these fools think they’ve found. Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the mother of all black holes, and nothing would ever “Bang(TM)” its way out of that. These clowns are doubling-down on stupid, just like the libtards and demokkkrats are.


30 posted on 03/17/2014 9:41:12 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: UCANSEE2

Radio telescopes detect photons. It’s like seeing with glasses.


31 posted on 03/17/2014 9:42:58 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Seizethecarp
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And I thought the Big Bang Theory only had 2 reasons going for it.

32 posted on 03/17/2014 9:47:14 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: hoagy62
I believe in the Big Bang. God said “Let there be..” and BANG! there it was.

Your post reminded me of this classic panel from a comic book back in the 1980s, where an evil being tried to get a glimpse of the beginning of time. I've often thought it might just have happened that way.


33 posted on 03/17/2014 9:49:12 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Seizethecarp
I've always thought that 'inflation' was a bunch of hand-waving.

Didn't know there was an observatory at the South Pole. Are they sure they weren't just measuring their teeth chattering?

34 posted on 03/17/2014 9:50:48 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Seizethecarp
Now we are likened to bubbling pasta!

That's got to be one big pot!

35 posted on 03/17/2014 9:52:23 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Well I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek. But kidding aside, wouldn’t a point of infinite mass with no physical dimension be atemporal?


36 posted on 03/17/2014 9:54:57 AM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: I want the USA back
The “big bang” is not a sufficient explanation

The "Big Bang Theory" is the most sufficient explanation available, unless you have an improvement to offer.

37 posted on 03/17/2014 9:59:35 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Seizethecarp
detected ripples in the fabric of space-time — so-called gravitational waves... the beginning of the Big Bang

Or it could have just been the wake of a starship warp drive.

38 posted on 03/17/2014 10:02:12 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Seizethecarp

Anyone yet have a line on any peer reviewable paper?

I’ve poked around. Can’t find one yet.


39 posted on 03/17/2014 10:03:44 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Ray76

I suppose a point of infinite mass with no dimensions would be atemporal, at least in the sense that such a concept is physically meaningless;)


40 posted on 03/17/2014 10:09:23 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Why I mean is, prior to the big bang was a dimensionless point of infinite mass/energy, & that prior to the big bang there where no events, there was no time.


41 posted on 03/17/2014 10:18:31 AM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Ray76

God is atemporal.


42 posted on 03/17/2014 10:20:50 AM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: MosesKnows

Many races believe that the Universe was created by some sort of god or in the Big Bang. The Jatravartids, however, believe that the Universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure. They live in perpetual fear of the time they call “The Coming of the Great White Handkerchief” (their version of the End of the Universe). The theory of the Great Green Arkleseizure is not widely accepted outside Viltvodle VI.


43 posted on 03/17/2014 10:22:39 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: hoagy62
You realize that the father of the Big Bang theory was a Jesuit priest, Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître. Pius XII tried to get MGR Lemaître to endorse the idea that the Big Bang theory verified the Genesis account of the creation of the Universe, which Lemaître firmly resisted. Pius XII also wanted Lemaître to serve on a Vatican panel on birth control, and again he demurred, claiming to have no particular insight into the issue.

Einstein initially refused to accept the idea of an expanding universe; Lemaître recalled him commenting"Vos calculs sont corrects, mais votre physique est abominable"

One must accept, n'est-ce pas, that is was a playful God who created a new universe with abundant evidence that it was almost 14 billion years old.

44 posted on 03/17/2014 10:28:04 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: MarineBrat

By its very nature, if the universe is larger than the “observable universe” then we are at the center of the observable universe. It has to be that way (again, assuming that the actual universe is larger in all directions than the observable universe).

Unless we start talking about things like currents in the ether.


45 posted on 03/17/2014 10:30:42 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: onedoug

Read the article. The paper was just submitted today. A few select physicists were given advanced hard copy and asked not to spread it around. It may be expeditiously released pending peer review.

You might find this sneak preview interesting:

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/Proof-of-Inflationary-Universe-To-Be-Announced-Monday-250522521.html


46 posted on 03/17/2014 10:31:44 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Ray76

That does not appear to be how it works.


47 posted on 03/17/2014 10:32:38 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: cloudmountain

What is wrong with the champagne corks?


48 posted on 03/17/2014 10:34:23 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: Mr. K

THHGTTG


49 posted on 03/17/2014 10:37:01 AM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Moonman62

You can???

Then why are they spending millions of $ to prove it true?


50 posted on 03/17/2014 10:38:24 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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