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Man slipped pregnant girlfriend abortion pills: prosecutors
ny post ^ | josh soul

Posted on 03/18/2014 3:27:30 PM PDT by Morgana

Edited on 03/18/2014 4:00:35 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A Brooklyn man slipped abortion pills to his pregnant girlfriend as they had sex in a Crown Heights apartment, causing the stillborn birth of her 3-month-old fetus, prosecutors charge.

Shervaughn Remy, 34, who was arrested on Valentine’s Day 2013, turned down an offer Monday to plead guilty to felony abortion.


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KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionpill; forcedabortion; prolife

1 posted on 03/18/2014 3:27:30 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

It’s flat out murder.


2 posted on 03/18/2014 3:28:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Morgana

He “chose”.

I mean...it’s a CHOICE, right..?


3 posted on 03/18/2014 3:29:52 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Morgana

Shervaughn - not an Amish sounding name


4 posted on 03/18/2014 3:30:16 PM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: Morgana

It’s a baby only if you decide it’s a baby.

Such is the deranged rationale of “choicers.”


5 posted on 03/18/2014 3:30:18 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: dfwgator

Interestingly enough most of the pro-abortion feminist fools would agree with you.


6 posted on 03/18/2014 3:31:00 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: lormand; GeronL

“Shervaughn - not an Amish sounding name”

Shervaughn.....and exactly how is that pronounced?!?!


7 posted on 03/18/2014 3:31:46 PM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: Fai Mao

True, because it’s a “Woman’s Choice”.


8 posted on 03/18/2014 3:32:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Morgana

This happened on an episode of law & order too.


9 posted on 03/18/2014 3:32:41 PM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Morgana

sure was in the Dr office a long time


10 posted on 03/18/2014 3:36:39 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: dfwgator

Murder, yes.

But no less of a murder than the intended use of the pills.


11 posted on 03/18/2014 3:38:59 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: chae

this happened in real life too,too often


12 posted on 03/18/2014 3:39:27 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: lormand

He doesn’t look Amish either,looks like one of Holder’s people.Check out his photo at the site,he’s everything we have come to expect from a forth generation welfare culture.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 3:40:38 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Morgana

Just playing devil’s advocate. If an unborn child is not a living entity until it’s born, how can this be murder? There have been cases where a pregnant woman is murdered and the killer is charged with double homicide. Either it is or it isn’t. Sorry if this is a weak argument.


14 posted on 03/18/2014 3:41:08 PM PDT by usafretired (More than just 4 deaths)
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To: Morgana

Sick.


15 posted on 03/18/2014 3:42:40 PM PDT by grimalkin (We are a nation under God. If we ever forget this, we are a nation gone under. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Morgana

Why shouldn’t the man have a say in whether the baby gets murdered??? They wouldn’t want me on that jury...


16 posted on 03/18/2014 3:49:16 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Morgana

Sure Von?


17 posted on 03/18/2014 3:53:28 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Morgana

The DA will twist and contort to make clear that this guy did not kill a baby. Otherwise, why would it be OK for the woman to do THE SAME THING with no consequence while if he did it, its murder.


18 posted on 03/18/2014 4:10:50 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Morgana

Barrack?


19 posted on 03/18/2014 4:12:48 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: usafretired

“Just playing devil’s advocate. If an unborn child is not a living entity until it’s born, how can this be murder? There have been cases where a pregnant woman is murdered and the killer is charged with double homicide. Either it is or it isn’t. Sorry if this is a weak argument.”

I don’t thing it’s a weak argument at all. The drug was invented to kill the baby, It’s it’s promoted and marketed to kill the baby.

How can it be murder if one sex uses it and not another?

If it’s a prescription drug, that makes it illegal, but not og murder...

They offered to let him cop plead guilty to a lesser charge to avoid the “equal protection” problem. Glad he didn’t take it.


20 posted on 03/18/2014 4:22:23 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Morgana

hey he is just exercising his choice to be a dad. why just allow moms to murder their preborn babies?


21 posted on 03/18/2014 4:44:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: fwdude

it is deranged. the left favors a policy that allows one class of citizen to murder another class of citizen - and a helpless one at that - at will.


22 posted on 03/18/2014 4:45:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: usafretired

exactly. libtard pretzel logic - ie hypocrisy. ties em up in knots.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 4:47:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Actually, the article just refers to the child as “her 3-month-old fetus”.

It’s quite possible it wasn’t his to begin with.


24 posted on 03/18/2014 5:13:22 PM PDT by digger48
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To: babygene

to avoid the “equal protection” problem. Glad he didn’t take it.
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works for me ,, let them twist themselves up into knots ...


25 posted on 03/18/2014 5:17:29 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Morgana

Son, it’s all fun and games until the girlfriend starts mixing saltpeter into your grub. Or perhaps worse, overdosing you on Viagra.


26 posted on 03/18/2014 5:55:02 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Morgana

The argument would be that he had no right to do this because the choice is hers and hers alone. It’s her body. It’s her decision if she wanted to give birth or kill her baby.

It’s murder either way, but that’s what the charge will be based on.


27 posted on 03/18/2014 5:56:49 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Morgana; Mrs. Don-o

the stillborn birth
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Now that’s an interesting turn of phrase..

is that how the court transcript reads ???


28 posted on 03/18/2014 6:26:35 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: usafretired
Just playing devil’s advocate. If an unborn child is not a living entity until it’s born, how can this be murder? There have been cases where a pregnant woman is murdered and the killer is charged with double homicide. Either it is or it isn’t. Sorry if this is a weak argument.

It is a weak argument.

Logic is not the strong suit of supporters of abortion or liberals in general.

If he causes the abortion, it's murder. If she causes the abortion it's just a lifestyle choice.

Inconsistent application of the law is one of the things that breeds contempt for same.

Personally, I think it's murder in either case.

The biggest problem with prosecuting this kind of crime IMO, is the there is such a thing as 'spontaneous abortion', which is essentially an act of God. This case would be easily provable not to be. There are edge cases though, where that is not the case. That's the only problem I have with making abortion a criminal act.  If it were ever made so, I'd hate to see innocent people prosecuted for an act of God.

29 posted on 03/18/2014 8:46:24 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
The DA will twist and contort to make clear that this guy did not kill a baby. Otherwise, why would it be OK for the woman to do THE SAME THING with no consequence while if he did it, its murder.

I think you are wrong. The law on this subject makes absolutely no sense at all. It is prosecuted in this nonsensical manner all across the land.

30 posted on 03/18/2014 8:48:13 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Secret Agent Man
"it is deranged. the left favors a policy that allows one class of citizen to murder another class of citizen - and a helpless one at that - at will."

That's just what it is --- deranged --- except swap out the word "citizen" for the word "person" or "human being" (since the unborn are not precisely "citizens" until they get their birth certificate. They're kind of like legal residents.)

And by the way, my wonderful pro-life libertarian friend, Doris Gordon, makes this point when debating other libertarians about abortion. She ask whether libertarians believe, in principle, that the State has the authority to create two classes of persons, one with rights and one without.

31 posted on 03/19/2014 5:15:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: digger48
"Actually, the article just refers to the child as “her 3-month-old fetus”.... It’s quite possible it wasn’t his to begin with."

I think our culture has disintegrated to such an extent that all fetuses are considered, in principle, fatherless. Sex is scratching an itch, and actual begetting is a glitch --- not a feature.

32 posted on 03/19/2014 5:21:43 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: Morgana

We all knew when they made this drug so accessible that this was going to happen. Bad for babies, bucks for lawyers.


33 posted on 03/19/2014 5:23:19 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Morgana
It looks Irish...
But then I looked it up, it's actually Welsh (but they moved to Ireland).

I'm betting he looks something like this:

(Vince Vaughn)

34 posted on 03/19/2014 5:26:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: usafretired

That’s why these cases should be prosecuted to the max, both in the media and in the court. Take the bloody contradiction and fling it in the eyes of the abortion enthusiasts.


35 posted on 03/19/2014 5:26:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good; call darkness light, and light, darkness.)
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To: digger48

Well, male rats urinate around pregnant females heavily in order to cause an abortion if the young are not his.

This is just “proof of common ancestry”.


36 posted on 03/19/2014 5:27:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It would make the point as long as the defense stresses heavily the legality of abortifacients if taken by the “mother”.


37 posted on 03/19/2014 5:29:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: babygene
How can it be murder if one sex uses it and not another?

His defense can make an interesting case on the basis of "equal protection".

38 posted on 03/19/2014 5:35:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: zeugma
"The biggest problem with prosecuting this kind of crime IMO, is the there is such a thing as 'spontaneous abortion', which is essentially an act of God. This case would be easily provable not to be. There are edge cases though, where that is not the case. That's the only problem I have with making abortion a criminal act. If it were ever made so, I'd hate to see innocent people prosecuted for an act of God."

It's important to remember that abortion WAS illegal and WAS prosecuted in all 50 states before Roe vs Wade. Fifty out of fifty.

But the type of difficulty you describe --- false prosecution because of a miscarriage --- never happened in the legal history of abortion law.

This was because abortion was more-or-less treated as a 2-victim crime --- the woman and the doctor --- and there were not prosecutions of the doctor, generally, unless he had put a woman in the ER with a ripped cervix or a lacerated uterus.

Keep in mind, too, that the death rate for human beings is 100%, and most of these, too, are "acts of God" : illness or injury. But deaths are generally not criminally investigated unless there is clear evidence of foul play.

As you mentioned, in this case of a guy inserting Cytotex into the woman's vagina, it couldn't be clearer.

If I were judge and jury, that guy wouldn't walk free until Christ comes again. And then he'd face the real judgment.

39 posted on 03/19/2014 5:42:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good; call darkness light, and light, darkness.)
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To: zeugma
TYPO, sorry, of course I meant to write ".. abortion was more-or-less treated as a 2-victim crime --- the woman and the doctor BABY --"
40 posted on 03/19/2014 5:46:47 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good; call darkness light, and light, darkness.)
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To: Morgana; All

The fact he was charged with “felony abortion” and not murder or manslaughter demonstrates completely the mindset of not only those involved but of the New York justice system (and really if the entire nation’s rule of law).

In other words, his crime isn’t that he killed a baby, rather that he took the choice to do the same away from the woman.

It’s only a woman’s right to kill a baby in this country. When a man chooses to do the same exact thing, exactly the same way (without the woman’s consent) it’s “felony abortion” because really, no actual “human life” was taken here (in the minds of the leftists in charge), rather only a woman’s right to choose was violated.

So to ask the question , “Why is it murder in this case but not when a woman does it” means nothing to a pro-”choice” advocate. Because what I wrote above is exactly how they view this situation.

It’s why the charge of “felony abortion” exists in the first place (instead of infanticide): to make it clear it isn’t “murder” when a man chooses to abort a baby, it’s about violating the “right’’ of a woman to “choose”.


41 posted on 03/19/2014 5:51:21 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
If I were judge and jury, that guy wouldn't walk free until Christ comes again. And then he'd face the real judgment.

Agreed.

But the type of difficulty you describe --- false prosecution because of a miscarriage --- never happened in the legal history of abortion law.

I would certainly hope not.

We appear to be on the same page with this. My comments were mostly an indication of my mistrust of the law in a nation where selective prosecution appears to rule the day.

42 posted on 03/19/2014 6:53:11 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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