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Mapping Every "Vanished" Plane Since 1948
Zerohedge ^ | 3/20/14 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 03/20/2014 7:09:01 PM PDT by Kartographer

Some 83 aircraft have been declared “missing” since 1948

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; map; mh370; plane; vanished; waronterror

1 posted on 03/20/2014 7:09:01 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

In that context the Bermuda triangle doesn’t appear to vacuum up planes at any great rate.


2 posted on 03/20/2014 7:11:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kartographer

All this time I thought this guy was pretty useless. He was probably the most critical one on the island.

3 posted on 03/20/2014 7:14:24 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Kartographer

But this one is different, because Islam.


4 posted on 03/20/2014 7:16:40 PM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: Kartographer

But how many had The Muslim Brotherhood behind its disappearance?


5 posted on 03/20/2014 7:17:04 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Kartographer

WTH is CNN and their sister, MSNBC going to talk about?

Russia?

Obama failures?

Nah, I think not.


6 posted on 03/20/2014 7:17:10 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: arderkrag

Excellent use of the modern “because”.


7 posted on 03/20/2014 7:18:16 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

I are fluent in Twittese.


8 posted on 03/20/2014 7:21:30 PM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: arderkrag

I’m hella impressed.


9 posted on 03/20/2014 7:23:52 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Kartographer

Bookmark.


10 posted on 03/20/2014 7:30:42 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: cripplecreek
We had an A-6 Intruder that was flying out to meet us, and never arrived. I couldn't remember the date, so I looked it up online:

Just disappeared. No radio call. No sign of distress. Just flew out and never reached us.

I distinctly remember being on the flight deck, and word was going around that there was a plane overdue, and then...nothing. Just never came. We never heard a word about it. I don't remember where the ship was, but I did recall someone saying it disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle flying out to us. It was a windswept, gray day, a few rays of sunlight breaking through the thick clouds here and there, but mostly cold and gray. Funny how that just stuck with me all these years.

11 posted on 03/20/2014 7:44:06 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Kartographer

Lot vanished during Vietnam.


12 posted on 03/20/2014 7:44:22 PM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Kartographer; Revolting cat!

It looks kinda like a morse code!


13 posted on 03/20/2014 7:49:40 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: rlmorel

Looks like lots of planes lost in tropical seas. If they had included small planes lost the map would be pretty well covered.


14 posted on 03/20/2014 8:01:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Years ago I saw a list of all the aircraft and planes that supposedly had disappeared in THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE!

A quick check of the last locations showed only three of the planes or ships disappeared in the BT. The rest disappeared OUTSIDE of the triangle.


15 posted on 03/20/2014 8:01:41 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: cripplecreek

I was stationed at Dover AFB in the early sixties and we lost a C-133A number 62002. All hands lost. That was the aircraft that I was assigned. Lost 3 friends. It was headed to Lajas in the Canary Islands. It was reported lost in the Bermuda triangle. But I believe the Bermuda triangle is BS. Still haunts me. My best friend departed the acft. after returning from Turkey. The man who took his place perished. My best friend is gone now. Died in the nineties at age 50.


16 posted on 03/20/2014 8:08:31 PM PDT by Rodd OB (24 year Simi Valleyer)
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To: cripplecreek
The Caribbean and SE Asia look like bad bets as places to fly.

North Atlantic too.

17 posted on 03/20/2014 8:08:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, I’ve read repeatedly that the number of airplanes that “disappear” in the Triangle is really no different than anywhere else on the planet.

It’s make for some good shows on History/Discovery/Science/etc. though.


18 posted on 03/20/2014 8:09:18 PM PDT by FAA
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To: FAA

Small planes disappear everywhere. It took a year to find where Steve Fossett went down right here in the states.


19 posted on 03/20/2014 8:15:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
In that context the Bermuda triangle doesn’t appear to vacuum up planes at any great rate.

That is because ... it doesn't.

Read this this book when I was in high school. A reference librarian put together all of the cases, looked at how many were actually mysterious, and compared the so-called Bermuda Triangle to other areas in the world with similar traffic and weather. The result: The Bermuda Triangle is no more dangerous or mysterious than any other patch of ocean with the same characteristics.

Worth a read.

The Bermuda Triangle Mystery Solved

20 posted on 03/20/2014 8:16:03 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: arderkrag
I are fluent in Twittese.

I am also frequently forced to communicate with twits myself.

21 posted on 03/20/2014 8:17:00 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FAA
See #20 for a book written in 1972 at the height of Bermuda Triangle insanity, that pretty much demolishes the whole myth. It still comes back from time to time. Arrant nonsense.
22 posted on 03/20/2014 8:19:14 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Kartographer

http://pittsburgh.about.com/od/transportation/a/b25_bomber.htm

>>On January 31, 1956, a Mitchell B-25 bomber, on a flight from Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada to Olmstead Air Force Base in Harrisburg, crashed in the Monongahela River (locally known as the “Mon”), just outside of Pittsburgh. The crew of 6 survived the crash, but two were later claimed by the icy waters of the Mon river.
What happened over the next two weeks fueled one of Pittsburgh’s greatest unsolved mysteries… What became of the B-25 bomber?

In the two weeks following the crash, a search for the plane was conducted, but no trace of the B-25 was ever found. Theories about the plane’s disappearance are plentiful, and are still discussed throughout Pittsburgh.

Some think the plane was carrying a secret cargo of nuclear weapons, nerve gas, Mafia money, or even Howard Hughes. Eyewitness accounts sporadically surface. The story I remember being told as a child was “Hundreds of soldiers descended to the crash site and closed the river. They guarded the banks of the river while barges came in and pulled the bomber to the surface. The plane was then offloaded to railroad cars, where it was taken to one of the local steel mills and melted down”. Variations on these stories include the plane being chopped up on shore and trucked away, threats to eyewitnesses on shore, even the story of a mysterious ‘7th man’ that was pulled from the river.


23 posted on 03/20/2014 8:19:43 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Kartographer
Interesting, but worthless.

If it's missing the Ben Charles Padilla 727-223 (Tail # N844AA) flight out of Quatro de Fevereiro International Airport in Angola on May 25, 2003...

...then what else did Bloomberg overlook?

(also lost on that flight was John Mikel Mutantu)

24 posted on 03/20/2014 8:22:47 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: FredZarguna

Lots of small planes and boats disappear in the great lakes.


25 posted on 03/20/2014 8:32:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: logi_cal869
If it's missing the Ben Charles Padilla 727-223 (Tail # N844AA) flight out of Quatro de Fevereiro International Airport in Angola on May 25, 2003...

...then what else did Bloomberg overlook?

The map is restricted to "planes capable of carrying 14 or more passengers". It doesn't appear any air cargo flights were included.

The Angolan 727 had been re-fitted as a cargo plane, to haul diesel fuel.

26 posted on 03/20/2014 8:40:22 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: cripplecreek
Lots of small planes and boats disappear in the great lakes.

That was because of a black hole on Michigan Avenue. Somebody on CNN created the connection last night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWeheK9uEA

27 posted on 03/20/2014 8:52:46 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Kartographer
Gen. McInerney also said that if Pakistan didn't speak up soon, they would be complicit.

Now I ask you, if you heard another large jet land at an International Airport that had on average 4 other arrivals all around the same time, would you suspect anything out of the ordinary ?
I just want to inform you that arrivals make a lot less noise than departures.
Also, from an air traffic controller's point of view, there ARE PROCEDURES for clearing a "RADIO OUT" or "NORDO" aircraft to land, and once the aircraft is safely down, it's up to the Airfield Base Operations Officer and the Fire Chief as to how to handle it.
They would probably have to fuel to refuel the 777 with little or no extra coordination.

Israel, are you listening?
28 posted on 03/20/2014 9:02:06 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: okie01
The map is restricted to "planes capable of carrying 14 or more passengers".

Pardon, but it clearly states

The list includes planes capable of carrying more than 14 passengers and where no trace — bodies or debris — has ever been found.
I stand by my assertion about Bloomberg's lousy attention to detail.

And I repeat 'worthless': There are only 5 flights named with any information about the flight at all besides date lost, souls lost and flight origin/destination...horribly lazy on Bloomberg's part. Pathetic is more apt.

29 posted on 03/20/2014 9:16:52 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: rlmorel
We had an A-6 Intruder that was flying out to meet us, and never arrived. I couldn't remember the date, so I looked it up online:

Wasn't there some major issue going on with the A-6's about that time that went on several months? I know we lost several of them close into the ship usually on take off. I can't remember what it was doing it though I just remember there was a problem.

30 posted on 03/20/2014 9:47:29 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cripplecreek
Well it is obviously flawed. Sometime in the 70's or 70's a South African plane 747 dual use cargo passenger then down east of Madagascar and South of India. It went down in the Indian Ocean. Very similar to this one but they only had a cryptic message of minor smoke in the passenger section.

Took them a couple of weeks to find just a little wreckage floating in the Indian Ocean. Took them several months to find the location of the black boxes and could not get them for a couple of years IIRC. Then they wanted to use an ROV to see and recover them but the fiber optic cable was the longest ever made! They eventually did that.

That took several years to pull together and then the finally recovered only a minor amount of the plane. Boeing stopped production and sale of that model. (747 XXX Combi?)

Many think it was weapons that South Africa as shipping in because if the embargo. Many thought and still think it was weapons that started the cabin fire in the cargo section. However none can afford to dive that deep to recover any evidence. It is deeper than the Titanic!
31 posted on 03/20/2014 9:58:02 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: Yosemitest

Israel, are you listening?

Israel said that this disappearance had Iran's fingerprints all over it. And they said they are taking measures now to prevent such a plane from getting through to them.

32 posted on 03/20/2014 10:04:15 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
My heart goes out to the families, also, and I just want logic and real analysis to prevail.

If our military or Israel's really knows where it's at, then I hope they bring it down in full fury onto the terrorists' heads.

Let Psalm 9:10-20 be executed upon the terrorists.
33 posted on 03/20/2014 10:14:45 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Kartographer

I had an old pilot tell me that all the pre jet plane disappearances are most likely a combination of aviation gasoline vapors and lightning.


34 posted on 03/20/2014 10:37:38 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: arderkrag
I are fluent in Twittese.

Best comment in a long time... Well spoken.

35 posted on 03/20/2014 10:41:42 PM PDT by Taylor42 (Hillary - Not now NOT EVER!)
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To: Rodd OB

Wasn’t there another C133 that disappeared on the same route back then?

I have seen the one at the Pima Air Museum, looks like a 130 on steroids.


36 posted on 03/20/2014 11:01:36 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: cva66snipe

Maybe, I don’t know. I worked on Corsairs, so I wasn’t that tuned in. We did lose another A-6 about a year before that.

The Intruder busted its hook off when it caught the wire during darkened ship exercises, and slowed down too much and the crew ejected.

I watched that plane lumber by me less than 50 feet away (I was on the bow) climb slowly out in front of the ship, its shape silhouetted against the stars, then slowly fall tail first, twisting and inverting to disappear in a circle of white foam a few hundred yards in front of the ship. I watched in horror saying over and over to myself “Those guys better eject...come on...get out...eject...EJECT!” and they never did.

I was dumbstruck, then the white lights on the ship came on as the air boss said over the 1MC “Plane in the water!” When I looked back, I saw two chutes come down, one went into the water just off the port quarter, and the other landed on the side of a E-2 Hawkeye on the deck. In all the noise of the plane hitting the deck and the throttles being pushed to full military, I never heard the bang of the seats.

It was one of the most startling and amazing things I have ever seen in my life. I was all by myself up on the bow...there was nobody else up there and I had a ringside seat to that plane’s final moments. I felt like I was the only witness to that, even though I am sure everyone up in the island saw it better than me. I immediately ran all the way back to my line shack and burst in all googly-eyed, exclaiming to everyone “You won’t believe what I just saw!”

Funny thing is, for years, it somehow got stuck in my head that it was an F14 I saw go down. It was only in the last few years that did a search to find out specifically what date it happened on, and was chagrined to find it was an A-6, not an F-14. It was odd to have my mind play that trick on me.


37 posted on 03/21/2014 2:45:48 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel

BookMark


38 posted on 03/21/2014 6:03:58 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Kartographer

Great info- thanks for posting.


39 posted on 03/21/2014 7:40:52 AM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: cripplecreek
The largest insurer of commercial airplanes and ships in the world is Lloyds of London.

If the 'Triangle' truly represented any greater risk, there would be an additional surcharge for any operating in that area. Of course, there is not.

40 posted on 03/21/2014 9:14:04 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: rlmorel
All I can remember about the A-6 incidents {not even sure of the variant} was they seemed to drop out of the sky within about 5-10 miles from launch off the Cats. The crew got out but the plane dropped like a brick. It was enough of an issue to cause a stand down on the other A-6 aircraft for a few days.

We had two Flight deck crashes I remember. The first was a Tomcat that during night ops came in low and the landing gear popped the round down. The pilot hit starboard burner to steer it off the angle and jettisoned out. The made it out OK. A bunch of VIP's were on the Bridge SECNAV, CNO, etc. The second was a S-3 again at night that came in high and caught number 4 wire It went over the side and dangled. The crew attempted jettison and they shot out one into the hull of the ship the other across the surface of the water. We also lost an ABH during a re-spot on the hanger deck. They were moving the plane and one of the guys carrying the chalks got ran over.

It seemed like every time we deployed we lost a few persons to accidents and one to natural causes. As morbid as it may sound they were taken to the aft walk in coolers on the fourth deck. We had to post a watch on the cooler gauges until the deceased was flown off.

What really surprised me was in Gulf War 2 carriers were deploying to the IO without any loss of life. Back in the mid to late 70's you knew there was going to be some losses especially in the month of ops off GITMO and usually some on the MED or WESTPAC.

41 posted on 03/21/2014 5:18:46 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Kartographer
Did they include the one David Copperfield made disappear?


42 posted on 03/21/2014 5:21:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cva66snipe

Yeah. We lost a guy or two here and there. We had one guy who got sucked into a Tomcat, didn’t die but was a quad for life. We had another guy who jumped overboard while transiting the Straits of Messina. And so on.

I loved A-6 Intruders. They just seemed like a badass plane. And were they ever loud! I remember the first time I got to stand in the catwalk along the waist cat when they shot one off...I watched an A7 go off, nobody ducked. Then a Tomcat went off, nobody ducked. So when they shot the A6 off, I didn’t duck.

But everyone else did.

Heh, turned my flight deck helmet sideways on my head so my nose was in one ear protector!


43 posted on 03/21/2014 6:19:53 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: dfwgator

Good point. Now does anyone know where David Copperfield was when the plane disappered??


44 posted on 03/21/2014 6:32:32 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Rockpile

You are correct. 1611 went down about a year earlier in the same area. If I recall correctly, some debris was collected. Maybe a landing gear strut with wheels and tires attached and other parts. The cause is a mystery also.

Aircraft 2002 totally disapeared with never a trace or communication, as far as I know. I can still recall the drone of the turboprops during climb power. I still look up when I hear turboprops climbing.


45 posted on 03/21/2014 11:34:17 PM PDT by Rodd OB (24 year Simi Valleyer)
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To: Rodd OB

Aviation-safety.net says that they found a liferaft and the nosegear the day after 1611 crashed.

Found that when trying to find out what SHAD means.


46 posted on 03/22/2014 10:59:57 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Rockpile

That’s sound correct. No debris for acft 2002.


47 posted on 03/22/2014 2:52:06 PM PDT by Rodd OB (24 year Simi Valleyer)
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