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Phelps’ hate seen by some as aiding gay rights
Associated Press ^ | Mar 21, 2014 10:17 AM EDT | John Hanna and David Crary

Posted on 03/21/2014 10:42:24 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Fred Phelps Sr. led his small Topeka church for more than two decades in a bellicose crusade against gays and lesbians, saying they were worthy of death and openly declaring—often at military funerals—that the U.S. was doomed because of its tolerance of homosexuality.

But in targeting grieving families of troops killed overseas, taunting people entering other churches and carrying signs with anti-gay slurs and vulgar language or symbols, Phelps and his Westboro Baptist congregation created public circuses that may have helped the gay-rights movement.

Following Phelps’ death Wednesday at age 84, some gay-rights advocates suggested that he and his church created sympathy for lesbians, gays, bisexuals and the transgendered. Religious leaders who oppose gay marriage also said the pastor’s tactics clouded the debate over such issues and put them on the defensive in discussing both policy and faith. …

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1 posted on 03/21/2014 10:42:25 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It is a curious question what was going on behind the scenes there. The Westburros never showed up to sound their displeasure at any “gay pride” event. They poured out their vitriol at events that were probably the least likely of any to have sympathy for the “gay movement.” They were grand distractions, colossal nuisances.


2 posted on 03/21/2014 11:02:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai
They are the perfect straw men, representing, in the minds of of the Left, the religious Right.

It's as if Hannibal Lector were available to represent, in the media and pop culture, epicureans.

3 posted on 03/21/2014 11:11:43 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

hey...you are RIGHT about that!

No, instead they showed up at the funerals of innocent schoolchildren and war heroes.

Go Figure....


4 posted on 03/21/2014 11:12:38 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: Olog-hai

Aiding “gay rights”, yes,

but more directly, demonizing any reasonable opposition to the anti-Christian gay agenda.


5 posted on 03/21/2014 11:13:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I would have thought them discredited as a liberal false flag once Phelps’ affiliation with the Dems was exposed. But doublethink was in action among the libs.


6 posted on 03/21/2014 11:15:36 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Why, it’s almost as if the whole WBC thing might be a false-flag operation to make actual fundamentalist Christians look like total nut jobs, or something.

In other news, I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find gambling going on in this establishment.


7 posted on 03/21/2014 11:17:24 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: left that other site

I did figure, and it looks like the devil was behind this.

The devil often takes a perfectly good moral issue and leads people to a perfectly horrible conclusion about what to do with it.

Homosexuals need the love of Christ, same as all other sinners do. I could see protesting weak church outreach to this segment, but that’s not what the Westburros did.


8 posted on 03/21/2014 11:17:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai

The senior Rev. Phelps had been associated with the Democrats, which would seems to make it illogical for them to pit themselves against a cause dear to Democrats.


9 posted on 03/21/2014 11:19:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The Westburros never showed up to sound their displeasure at any “gay pride” event.

Because they found out early on that picketing funerals got them the most publicity. Picket a Gay-Pride parade? Big whoop. Announce that you're going to picket the funeral of a 9 year old killed at the Gabby Giffords shooting? Suddenly everyone is talking about you.

You have to remember that there aren't but a handful of Westboro Baptist members. With so much to hate and so few resources you have to go for the most bang for your buck.

10 posted on 03/21/2014 11:22:31 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Olog-hai

False flag group set up by leftist elitists in Liberalandia to make us in flyover country look bad.


11 posted on 03/21/2014 11:24:07 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Olog-hai
Phelps’ hate seen by some as aiding gay rights

Some? You've got to be a complete moron not to see otherwise.

12 posted on 03/21/2014 11:24:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DoodleDawg

That might have been true earlier in the game, but now with “gay pride” being a media darling, should the Westburros want to show up at one, they’d get noticed all right. They’d probably be the center of a highly publicized fight.


13 posted on 03/21/2014 11:27:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That might have been true earlier in the game, but now with “gay pride” being a media darling, should the Westburros want to show up at one, they’d get noticed all right. They’d probably be the center of a highly publicized fight.

Possibly. Another reason why not to go into the enemy camp, so to speak. You'll notice that in all their other activities they announce it well in advance so the police can plan on a line between them and their target. That'd be hard to do at a Gay Pride event, and while the Westboro Baptist mob may rejoice in the death of others they aren't to pay the ultimate sacrifice for their own cause.

14 posted on 03/21/2014 11:32:17 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

There is a limit to their sincerity, in other words... surprise.

They aren’t trusting in a Savior. They’re gratifying their own egos.


15 posted on 03/21/2014 11:35:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
They aren’t trusting in a Savior. They’re gratifying their own egos.

As accurate a summary of their activities as any I guess. Regardless, Fred's passing isn't going to change anything. They'll still be out there picketing or, more often, threatening to picket every opportunity they get.

16 posted on 03/21/2014 11:47:57 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Look into Phelps’s background. He was left wing civil rights lawyer and local Democratic party official. He never had anything to do with conservatives or the religious right and his “church” was a phony operation that consisted only of his family members.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.


17 posted on 03/21/2014 11:53:50 AM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: 3Fingas
I agree!

At best they're a group of jerks looking for easy lawsuit money.

At worst they're a group of jerks trying to make Christianity look bad.

18 posted on 03/21/2014 11:53:59 AM PDT by dbehsman (Attention liberals and liberaltarians, Judgment Day is coming. You've earned it!)
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To: Monmouth78

But smells good to low hell.


19 posted on 03/21/2014 11:59:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai

He was a Democrat and no real church wanted to associate with him, yet the media will continue to present him as an example of the “Christian Right.”


20 posted on 03/21/2014 12:02:05 PM PDT by BinaryBoy (Starve the RINOs: Not one dollar, not one vote.)
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To: Olog-hai
What Phelps did with his confrontations was to prove to the non Christian world just how evil Christians are. Spewing hate and filth that has nothing to do with the Bible or Christianity. I believe this guy was probably a closet gay and hated the Christian church. I almost feel sorry for the really stupid supposed Christian that are following him to hell. Christians are warned to watch out for teachers of false doctrine and these protests and what they were doing to the families is a perfect example. These supposed Christians that participated in this have only themselves to blame for where they end up.
21 posted on 03/21/2014 12:04:48 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: dirtymac

He was an infiltrator, just like Jim Jones, just without the Kool-Aid.


22 posted on 03/21/2014 12:05:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Indeed.


23 posted on 03/21/2014 12:45:52 PM PDT by left that other site
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To: dirtymac

I don’t think it can be denied. Any time they showed up with their “God Hates Fags” signs, support for gay rights went up.

Gay groups couldn’t have wished for a better enemy.


24 posted on 03/21/2014 4:57:30 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball
They are called Agent Provocateurs. Their mission is to make our side look like nutters. Anytime someone from our side seems a little out there, beware. They are purposely trying to make us look bad. They are working for the other side.
25 posted on 03/21/2014 6:31:47 PM PDT by gusty
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