Skip to comments.Flight 370 Theory: An Act of Anti-Terrorism
Posted on 03/21/2014 1:51:02 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
As more and more details emerge from the strange events on Flight 370, the more clear it becomes that the entire operation from the flight path re-programming, cloaking and changes in altitude to the lack of communication of distress from passengers or crew members, the vanishing of the plane and passengers and continued invisibility was done by a highly sophisticated organization. Its something out of a Mission: Impossible or similar movie. Who would be capable of pulling off such a flawlessly planned and executed clean operation? Any why?
US, Israel, UK, Russia, Germany, France, Australia, India, Pakistan, China.
These countries spy agencies are probably the only organizations capable of planning and executing such a flawless, precise, and perfect operation without detection or discovery. Now, the questions comes down to WHICH one and WHY?
I don’t agree with the suitcase bomb theory.
I think it is simpler than that.
But as for you who think it is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, I ask you to pull up the Google map of that area.
Just south of it is the beginning of the Antarctic Ice.
Where was that plane going? There is absolutely nothing there.
Wherever that plane is, whether in the ocean or on land, it was or is headed somewhere.
Pings be damned.
Other than one single piece of evidence — all other evidence points to the an obvious result. The plane suffered a mechanical failure of some sort. The pilots were reacting to that failure — turning the plane back to Malaysia. After programming in the waypoint, the plane systems caused the plane to rapidly change height. This asphyxiated the passengers and crew. The damaged plane continue on its last set course until it ran out of fuel and crashed in the Ocean.
The “fact” inconsistent with this is the very reliable Malaysian government’s change of the purported waypoint turn to before the last communication. We may never know — but more than likely, this will prove to be incorrect.
If the plane were hijacked, or a function of a bad actor — it seems a straight ditch into the Ocean would be appropriate. It is possible that the pilot — feeling suicidal, decided to knock out his co-pilot and than asphyxiate the passengers to spare them. Once done — he couldn’t bring himself to drive the plane into the ocean. He may have killed himself, taken poison to knock himself out, or sat there in a psychosis as the plane continued on until it ran out of fuel.
Either way — that thing is in the Indian Ocean.
I still beleive it was hijacked and then shot down by India or Malaysia . . .
It didn't work out they way the planned, whoever it was.
I think the Facebook account of Iranian passenger Pouria Nourmohammadi should be analyzed for the use of terrorist code words and phrases prior to its deactivation, along with him perhaps symbolically posing with the Kuala Lumpur Twin Towers during his brief stay there:
I think it worked out exactly as they planned.
Another theory seeded by parochial concerns, just what we need. What would be the theory of a, let’s say, Paraguayan peasant, I wonder?
I’m telling ya that the whole damn plane with the people inside were the only good people left on the planet and so they were all raptured away.
The tribulations and plaques begin in....5...4....3.........
I don’t buy your premise.
Nothing is clear.
The altitude changes may be quite inaccurate, according to experts in the field, so making theories based on 45,000 feet etc., is meaningless.
The statements out of Malaysia keep changing and can’t be trusted. Did the “turn around” happen before or after the last communication from the plane? That story has changed and there seems to be confusion on that point.
We don’t know much of anything.
Sometimes people want an exciting story when the truth is only boring and sad.
I think this theory is better than most. I’m not entirely on board with the “act of anti-terrorism” though. My guess: state sponsored agents from Pakistan or Iran are involved and the plane will reappear on O.B.L “death day” May 2nd.
I dunno. Alot of poo pooing going on here, but this sounds at least as plausible as alot of other suppositions I have heard. Scary as hell, and possible if you ask me!
“You have agents, disguised as normal citizens, on the plane with the authority and means to execute various plans to cover a variety of emergency situations, including learning of a WMD onboard.
The US has armed federal marshals on domestic flights, so it would be reasonable to assume they have equivalent international agents on international flights, especially from certain, suspect countries.”
No, that’s not reasonable to assume. How many flights are we talking about, where you would need multiple agents on every flight, to guard against a frankly not very likely scenario? We don’t even manage to get one Air Marshal on every domestic flight, so where’s the budget to pay for this?
Also, we haven’t even taken the minimal steps to ensure competent domestic security for our flights, so why would we assume that the same incompetent government could manage to protect international flights better than our own?
Sorry, meant to reply to the OP, not you.
If this plane, ‘crashed’ in the Indian Ocean, there would be a debris field that could not be missed. If the plane was flown onto the water, then the players in this encounter may have been expecting to be picked up by somebody without leaving a debris field.
I agree. The pilot freaked out, turned the plane around, set the auto pilot, opened the window and said goodnight.
The simplest answer is usually the best one.
And...they weren’t going anywhere. They were committing suicide.
I hear people all the time on TV ask if it was a suicide why not do it right away?
I say there is a possibility a suicidal pilot may not want his children and family to be disgraced and remember him as a suicide pilot who also brought down hundreds of innocent people.
So fly to the remotes area and put the plane down. No one will figure out what happened. -Tom
Or he was a coward and just wanted to go to sleep. Open the windows high enough, set the course, and die.
We have to dismiss rational thought when dealing with suicidal people, which is not generally a rational act.
I don't see why suicidal people would not be also capable of rational thoughts about other subjects.-Tom
We have all seen the conjecture and while it is easy to get caught up in the tin foil hat theories (and some fun too), we should not get wrapped up in them.
Travis McGee reminded me of what I already knew but had forgotten in the excitement, namely Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is the most likely.
The more complicated the theory (meaning the more players required to complete) the less likely the success and the odds of someone not keeping the secret grows geometrically and it being the likely answer is inversely proportional.
Sudden Jihad Syndrome (Travis' description) by the pilots is the most likely as it requires the fewest number of actors. However, in this case the Jihadi violated the "make it public" aspect. This oversight does not discount Occam in the slightest.
(Now donning tin foil hat) Alright, now we have ventured off into the possible from the likely, and this is a new dimension where anything is possible, but Occam's Razor needs to rule here also. As I pointed out, that as the number of participants grows, the chances of failure grow geometrically. Failure being not reaching the target, to being foiled before the plan even gets into motion.
If we are to consider the the likely outcomes one has to look beyond the simply obvious. The theories of the plane being taken somewhere simply don't hold up under scrutiny. It requires too many players to keep quiet, to make their goals and the complicity of government entities, which this is an act of war, and it risks cataclysmic fallout for the regime involved in the (highly likely) event of exposure. If you think the Chinese are going to sit idly by while an act of war is perpetrated on it's citizens by another government within it's military reach, you are sadly mistaken.
While China State Security has the ability to control information it is not impervious.
The tin foil hat theory that I like the best is an attack on Diego Garcia first posited here. China, Iran, and Russia, would benefit if Diego Garcia were out of commission if even for a few months let alone Bath-House Barry deciding to close it after such an attack.
In furtherance of such an attack Diego Garcia is the the middle of the ocean, and anything approaching from the west is a thousand miles from anywhere. You have to ask...of a plane of 200 passengers what percentage of those passengers actually turn off their cell phones? If the defecation hits the rotary oscillator why did none of these passengers dial their cell phones because 43K altitude is not far enough out of range for cell service and they were not there for very long. Even if all the passengers had been asphyxiated the phones would still be pinging the towers. You have to go where there are NO CELL TOWERS....like the middle of the ocean.
Now, let us remove our tin foil hats and return to Occam's Razor. How does any of what anyone has proposed (myself included) line up with the K.I.S.S. principle detailed by Occam? It does not. It is like Dan Brown and the DaVinci Code. It makes for a great movie, but an impossible reality.
Their may have been Chinese agents aboard that plane, and their instructions would be in the event of a hijack to head out over the ocean, and descend to 5000 feet to use up the fuel ASAP since the fuel consumption is astronomical at 5K opposed to 35K. which is where the Deigo Garcia plan falls apart. Sure, Diego Garcia is closer to Kuala than Bejing by 500 miles a plane would make it there at 35K feet, not at 5K and would have run out of fuel long before it got there or anywhere near it from it's last reported location and altitude.
Replacing tin foil hat. One must consider that the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole, and the idea that the plane would be repainted and refitted with a WMD and inserted into the traffic pattern simply isn't going to work. The logistics of that requires even more co-conspirators and we are now approaching logarithmic growth of risk of exposure from geometric sticking to Occam. With respect to the sum of the parts, that is more likely but we are still approaching log style growth in the potential for failure and exposure.
Still with the tin foil hat, you shut down the electrical busses as posited by Goodfellow, kill the engines and they could be retrieved and reused later like Never, Say Never Again of James Bond fame, IFF the plane were run out of fuel and splashed at manageable depth and 14K feet of ocean isn't it.
Now that we have discussed the possible and Occam the most likely is Sudden Jihad Syndrome on impulse. Pilot or co-pilot or even the navigator who was not a Malasian Air employee.
Remember the first rule of practical joke wars. The best practical joke....is the one that never comes. The best Jihad WMD attack, is the one that never comes and the victory is the surrender of our liberties for the sake of preventing the attack that never arrives. There is your end game in a nutshell and it only takes one guy shouting Allah Akbar and pushing the yoke forward. At 700 knots vertical speed, there would be zero left to find but a few scattered bits a flotsam.
The islamo-nazis get us to surrender more of our liberty to prevent them from attacking us and they're one step closer to victory over the west. We are looking in years...they are looking in centuries and every act that advances islam even a millimeter is one less millimeter for us.
If the guy was suicidal, the natural thought process people have is, “Just kill yourself by crashing the plan right away.” The irrational guy puts on the auto pilot, disables the crew, and goes on the long slow ride.
How many suicides have you read of or heard of where the person goes off to some desolate place and kills himself?
Unless it was to get insurance for their family, almost never.
Most suicides are a statement.
Husbands shoot themselves in the family bathroom. Women take pills and die in their own bed, etc.
This pilot probably would have zeroed in on the President of Malaysia’s house.
He could have. He didn’t. Doesn’t matter. They are all dead.
And.. Most of the suicides that I hear of are people going out to the forest and hanging themselves. Or dropping off a nearby bridge that is just high enough to kill yourself in the fall. In spring or summer, it’s like getting slapped across the head. God’s way of calling them a dumbass.
Unless you married a Kennedy or you happened to be a Madam. Then you just happen to hang yourself - but NOT in your house. That will depress real estate estate values when your widowered husband sells the place.
” It was done by a highly sophisticated group with vast training, coordination and resources at its disposal.”
The most diabolical, unforgiving, impossible to defeat organization that ever did or ever will exist is responsible for this tragedy. Gremlins
“Wherever that plane is, whether in the ocean or on land, it was or is headed somewhere”
It headed to auto-pilot hell after the crew blacked out from hypoxia and the plane ran out of fuel
Jumping is a great way to make a statement.
Name in paper for days, probably on the front page.
It makes my point.
I once read that many suicides are not only to die, but to punish those who have mistreated or not appreciated the person who committed suicide.
The “no one loves me” thing.
Kids who kill themselves because they are bullied...a good example.
So their name and story is all over the local papers for several days...
By golly, that will show them!
Why was it on a heading that took it to the Indian Ocean and the edge of civilization?
What caused the lack of oxygen?
“The simplest answer is usually the best one.”
That’s a simple answer , no doubt. Not in the way you intentioned though
“Unless it was to get insurance for their family, almost never”
Suicide clause has a shelf life and is not for the life of the policy
The point was maybe to make it look like an accident and not suicide.
I don’t buy that, I just mention in passing that is the only reason to kill oneself under mysterious circumstances.
Before you answer with the old saw about fire in the cockpit, you might want to read this.
Note that in most cases you have only 10 minutes.
This plane flew seven hours after it disappeared.
I disagree. You havent taken into account that the first flight path change was programmed into the computer 12 or more minutes before the last voice transmission. Had a fire been discovered after the last voice transmission, why was the flight plan changed a good interval before? How did Nav and autopilot continue to operate just fine, if a fire was so catastrophic that it fried the transponder, ACARS, etc.?
“Before you answer with the old saw about fire in the cockpit, you might want to read this.”
You’re the one that answered with the old saw of fire in the cockpit, not me. Argue with yourself
“The point was maybe to make it look like an accident and not suicide.”
Except the only fact is a missing airplane. Everything else is conjecture
I am not suggesting it was suicide.
There were posts above discussing suicide and why a pilot would fly to the Indian Ocean to commit suicide.
Most suicides want to get even. Killing himself in the Indian Ocean is not the way to feel that he got even.
He would only do it that way if he had a large policy for his family.
That was my only point.
No, they headed west in preparation for a turn northwest towards the 'stans. If there had been a mechanical failure, they would have made a U-turn and flown towards Sultan Mahmud (TGG), on the north coast of the Malaysian Peninsula, a distance of only 111 miles. TGG has an 11,417 foot asphalt runway perpendicular to the shore.
After programming in the waypoint, the plane systems caused the plane to rapidly change height. This asphyxiated the passengers and crew.
Why would the plane systems do that? And, if they did, why would it asphyxiate the passengers and crew? The airplane is perfectly capable of flying at FL450 without losing cabin pressurization. And, no, there is no depressurize button in the cockpit.
The crew can dup cabin pressure.
“That was my only point.”
You’re being a curmudgeon.
Now, my fine FReeper friends, if the plane flew for more than 7 hours, where is it and what is happening with it? 554.4 mph x 7.5 hours = 4,158 miles of feasible flight. Get that World Atlas out and draw an arc from where it was last picked up by radar to all land areas. Time to get those Google Earth satellite trackers working. However, I have a more insidious scenario which connects some dots:
Flight has 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board. Suppose the plane has indeed landed somewhere. If you were to connect the dots and knows something about the criminal mind, you know the plane is not just sitting on the ground and the pilots drinking up all the on-board alcohol. This is a perfect hostage situation. The criminals who have landed, I speculate, are talking to the Malaysian government and making demands. They have a Boeing 777 and passengers and crew. They are talking big ransom money and making political demands. They are making threats. One of the demands, of course, is no talking about their exchange. If the Malaysian government talks about what they know, the rest of the world would make sure a paramilitary operation would come after them. The hostage takers know that. If the Malaysian government talks, passengers die. All the talk about satellite sightings of debris is just a way to divert talk away from the real situation. And, dead passengers would mean the end of the United Malays National Organisation's (Umno) control over Malaysia. This puts the Flight 370 situation into a political context and the Malaysian Umno Party on thin ice.
The last election in May gave Umno a thin parliamentary majority, with the growing influence and the spread of the Shia sect of Islam in Malaysia. Umno has declared war on Shia Muslims, gays, lesbians, trans-sexuals, liberals and those who have insulted Islam. This has driven support away from the Umno party to rival parties PAS and PKR. Flight 370 Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a supporter of the Peoples Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) led by Anwar Ibrahim. Could Captain Zaharie Amad Shah be given special support by a country with pro Shia connections? You can count on it. More than 67% of the world's Shi'as live in four nations: India, Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan. In Iran, 90 to 95% of the Muslim population is Shia. The distance from Malaysia to Iran is 3677.58 miles. It is my speculative conclusion that Flight 370 is not in Pakistan, as some have theorized, but in Iran.
You forgot one thing: The plane pinged the ACARS satellite for more than 7 hours. The plane had to have the engines powered up to do that. The plane landed successfully and hostage negotiations have been ongoing.
I am with you. The plane could be used as a WMD delivery vehicle. It is a cheap one too! For the cost of jet fuel, it could go anywhere.
As for those who flew Flight 370, they were in it for the money. Just how much money could they get for the 227 passengers plus 12 crew members? Let’s start with the price for a Boeing 777. One Billion? Do I have a higher bid? Two Billion? Now for the crew: For the crew they don’t kill to make their point, $10 million per person? Do I have a higher bid? $20 million? By the time it is all over, they could demand a Trillion dollar ransom. Of course, the country that allowed Flight 370 to land, is laughing at these yahoos trying to make money off their hijacking success. All they want is the airplane and a cheap WMD delivery vehicle to be flown by their modern day kamikaze pilets.
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