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Creationists go nuts over Cosmos, demand "equal time"
Examiner.com ^ | March 21, 2014 | William Hamby

Posted on 03/23/2014 8:36:36 PM PDT by EveningStar

You've probably heard that Cosmos, the new version starring Neil deGrasse Tyson, is causing waves because it's on FOX, and it actually talks about (gasp!) evolution. But this week, Christians upped the ante on crazy by demanding "equal time" for creationists. You know, because they need things to be "balanced." In his typically incisive style, deGrasse explained one reason why that's a silly idea. “You don’t talk about the spherical Earth with NASA, and then say let’s give equal time to the flat Earthers..."

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1 posted on 03/23/2014 8:36:37 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Neil deGrasse Tyson is a typical biased leftist — he doesn’t have the wit to see that he is biased.


2 posted on 03/23/2014 8:40:19 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: EveningStar

At every turn, I am bombarded by Lib demands that every single viewpoint is of equal value, and I am not to judge. Just once, I would like to see that kind of tolerance from the Libs.


3 posted on 03/23/2014 8:40:30 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: EveningStar

Why? It’s a TV show. It’s not the government. Want equal time, make your own show. I’ll watch.


4 posted on 03/23/2014 8:40:49 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: EveningStar

so anyone who believes in a Creator being is a flat-earther.

okay...he just went up on the pompous asshole list.


5 posted on 03/23/2014 8:40:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: EveningStar

for a guy whose global warming fakers have thrown the “consensus” word about fake and doctored science,

HE is not in the world populations’ consensus about an intelligent Creator being existing.

or will he now say consensus’ can be wrong...? will he examine global warming cultists with the same critical eye?

friggin ass.


6 posted on 03/23/2014 8:43:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 50sDad

It’s the lib mantra: “What I believe in must be mandatory”


7 posted on 03/23/2014 8:44:58 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’d never even heard of Tyson prior to this, and thus far I’m not impressed. Seems like another Seth MacFarlane butt-buddy with an axe to grind.


8 posted on 03/23/2014 8:45:22 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: EveningStar
Neil Tyson may not believe in the Almighty, but he certainly believes in affirmative action.

Like his hero Richard Dawkins, his credentials as a leftist loudmouth are much more impressive than his academic attainments.

9 posted on 03/23/2014 8:46:44 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

With the liberal corollary:

If a conservative doesn’t like something, he doesn’t do it.
If a liberal doesn’t like something, nobody can do it.


10 posted on 03/23/2014 8:47:37 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: wideawake

Dawkins doesn’t even warrant being mentioned. Best to treat him like the irrelevant old coot he has become. Now, if the Muzzies in Britain want to go a little wild again....


11 posted on 03/23/2014 8:48:35 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: EveningStar

I don’t believe the science presented by Cosmos is that inconsistent with God creating the universe and life. God uses the big bang to create the universe. He creates and evolves the earth as a home that will support life. And, He creates life that will evolve.


12 posted on 03/23/2014 8:54:00 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: EveningStar

Let’s see how long this turkey lasts on Fox. Like there isn’t enough evolution in America.

Pray America wakes up


13 posted on 03/23/2014 8:55:03 PM PDT by bray (The Republic of Texas 2022 order here: http://braylog.com/id47.html)
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To: EveningStar

From what I understand, it’s a ratings disaster.


14 posted on 03/23/2014 8:55:22 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Viennacon

Tyson is often on and is very good as a narrator on NOVA.


15 posted on 03/23/2014 8:55:30 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Tzimisce

For good reason


16 posted on 03/23/2014 8:56:18 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Proud2BeRight

Yes he is. He’s good in small doses like on other space-related documentaries. But he’s starting to believe his own press.


17 posted on 03/23/2014 8:56:55 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Viennacon

If they were to do a “pure” science show. No commentary, with some cool visuals that’d be pretty cool. But they can’t help themselves.


18 posted on 03/23/2014 8:57:58 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: EveningStar
The "equal time" demand is ridiculous when addressed to a private entity. Reeks of the "fairness" doctrine. However, the guy can't be very smart or he'd come up with a better analogy than arguing about the earth being round. You can prove the earth is round, not so for evolution.

If he's trying to sneakily equate Christians with flat-earthers, he has another think coming. The Bible referred to a round earth millennia before humans figured it out:

"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." -- Isaiah 40:22, American Standard

19 posted on 03/23/2014 9:01:29 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: EveningStar

Why should adherents of the fringe religion of creationism be given “equal time” in a science show? If anything, shouldn’t they be demanding time on a religious show?


20 posted on 03/23/2014 9:01:57 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: EveningStar
Creationists go nuts over Cosmos, demand "equal time"

Sounds like a liberal.

"That guy has more than me. You have to gimme some of it!"

21 posted on 03/23/2014 9:02:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Yeah exactly, the whole creation vs evolution debate is twaddle, God doesn’t hate science and science does not disprove God.


22 posted on 03/23/2014 9:12:51 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: Secret Agent Man
"will he examine global warming cultists with the same critical eye?"

He was for "Nuclear Winter" before he was for "Global Warming".

23 posted on 03/23/2014 9:17:25 PM PDT by matthew fuller (No, I don't miss GWB- I miss Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.)
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To: EveningStar

It is entertainment
It is one man’s opinion

Turn the damn thing off and strangle the cash flow
Ignore it, redirect attention away
Do not buy stock in advertisers
Do not but their products, if possible

The Free Market has a remedy for trash
Throw it out.


24 posted on 03/23/2014 9:22:34 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: EveningStar

“Christians upped the ante on crazy by demanding “equal time” for creationists.” etc...

This is an utter BS article written for propaganda purposes.


25 posted on 03/23/2014 9:30:31 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: EveningStar

There is doubt that the primary goal of the TV networks is not to provide wholesome programming and make profit but rather to corrupt the young.


26 posted on 03/23/2014 9:45:31 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: EveningStar

I can’t find any evidence any Christian has demanded equal time. And yet we are responding to this as an accurate report? Wrong. It’s heavily biased BS and pure propaganda.


27 posted on 03/23/2014 9:46:55 PM PDT by JimSp
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To: Proud2BeRight

None of the major Judeo-Christian religions believe that the idea of evolution is inconsistent with a God Created universe.


28 posted on 03/23/2014 9:48:27 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: EveningStar

This is an article that sites an article that sites one guy...


29 posted on 03/23/2014 9:50:23 PM PDT by barmag25 (There is nothing that a man needs that he can't find in the North Georgia mountains.)
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To: ifinnegan
This is an utter BS article written for propaganda purposes.

I agree. Sounds like some made up whine to perhaps evoke sympathy for their cartoon show. The Creationists understand most Media driven shows are going to be atheistic in nature, so this show would be no shock nor drive calls for equal time. If they have concrete examples of this outcry for equal time - I'd like to hear it.

30 posted on 03/23/2014 9:56:28 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Man did not evolve. Man was created by God in his image.


31 posted on 03/23/2014 10:12:44 PM PDT by sipow
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To: Oliviaforever

If you don’t believe the goal of networks is all about making money, you are lost. Same as any other business.


32 posted on 03/23/2014 10:40:46 PM PDT by sakic
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To: haroldeveryman

Evolution isn’t consistent with the teachings of God. Evolutionists are poor scientists, since they never follow scientific methods and can’t measure anything outside the box. And evolution is based on poor assumptions, such as a “constant rate of time”, human absolutes, and lack of concrete information about the “Cosmos”.

Science is a man-made exercise to explain things it can’t understand. As far as practical concerns, it’s as useful as a ruler, calculator, or any other tool to make man’s life on earth simpler. Beyond that it’s only as good as humans make it to be. Flawed, myopic, and sinful.


33 posted on 03/23/2014 11:03:45 PM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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To: Proud2BeRight

Well put! Those who think they can second guess how God created the universe have a vanity problem.


34 posted on 03/23/2014 11:09:56 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: wideawake
Like his hero Richard Dawkins, his credentials as a leftist loudmouth are much more impressive than his academic attainments.

Tyson has a doctorate in astrophysics from Columbia University - that's impressive, no matter how you slice it. His doctoral research apparently contributed to better precision in the definition of the Hubble constant. He has real accomplishments in science.

But Seth McFarlane doesn't, and he's an executive producer of the new 'Cosmos'. I was wondering why there are so many cartoons in this show, and why so many of the cartoons feature church figures with dark, villainous shadows around their eyes.
35 posted on 03/24/2014 12:06:41 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: sipow
"Man did not evolve. Man was created by God in his image."

The SPIRIT of Man was created by God in his image.

From some point after that "Man" managed to screw things up and God in is mercy gave him a human form by which he could return to his creator.

If I were God I would admonish some humans to not take issue with the method God chose and stick to the lifelong task of being good.

I doubt that God is impressed with decoy "issues" and may even be amused by them.

Just sayin'.

36 posted on 03/24/2014 12:28:09 AM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Why should it fall on his shoulders or anyone else with a belief system to have to please everyone?


37 posted on 03/24/2014 1:40:27 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

I don’t believe the science presented by Cosmos is that inconsistent with God creating the universe and life. God uses the big bang to create the universe. He creates and evolves the earth as a home that will support life. And, He creates life that will evolve.
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That’s the same as the idea I developed 60 years ago and I’m now 71. I was raised in the church until then and finally stopped the indoctrination at age 14.

I believe that evolution began with the creation of our world and has continued since. .....I don’t get why “creationists” don’t understand that evolution is the means to the end of the desired result. .......JMO


38 posted on 03/24/2014 2:15:40 AM PDT by octex
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To: octex

I don’t get why “creationists” don’t understand that evolution is the means to the end of the desired result. .......JMO

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I’m a creationist. And also a geoscientist. I also used to think like you did until I learned more about evolution. The trouble with “evolution” in the Darwinistic view of things, there are too many transition stages that aren’t evident, and that time does not allow for. Even some (maybe most now?) of the evolutionist’s think in terms of “punctuated equilibrium”. Which in my layman’s terms means “and then something happened”. I know others more well versed in evolution and believe in it can argue their point better than I can mine.

But looking at the mathematical odds and the biology of things it seems to me that things get pretty complex too quickly to be an adaptation over time. So it seems like bad science to me. And now they just discovered that DNA has a duplicate, “hidden” code that provides twice as much info as they thought. (And Francis Crick, co-discoverer of DNA also realized that it didn’t “just happen” as it is too complex. So he believed in pansperma - or the idea that the DNA code was flung out from another civilization in order to preserve the information.)

The other thing about natural evolution in the strict sense, is that it ALL happened by CHANCE. There is no Creator, no God.

Now do I think God could have let things run for a bit, then when certain things were right (temperatures, oxygen, etc.) He could have tweeked things? Killed a bunch of things off after they had laid the ground work for other things? So a “guided evolution”? The evidence to me suggests something like that. But then that really isn’t natural evolution. (Also not very scientific either!)


39 posted on 03/24/2014 2:42:50 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve; octex

Oh. By the way. If the creationist’s want to tell their version of it - have them pony up the money, create a show, and convince the station that it will make them money! Just like that guy with the theme park is doing.


40 posted on 03/24/2014 2:45:49 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: exDemMom

Why do you say fringe religion of creationism? Do you not know that MAINstream religion is all about believing in a supreme creator and that up until recently this country was essentially a Christian one? Meaning that a majority of the people living here had a belief in God...now it’s called “fringe” wow.


41 posted on 03/24/2014 3:26:59 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: EveningStar

I don’t understand why FOX picked this up to begin with. It’s not like if fits in with any of their other programming.


42 posted on 03/24/2014 3:42:39 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: EveningStar

Neil equates religious faith (any) to flat earth

How much contempt he has for the great majority of the human race and its recorded history


43 posted on 03/24/2014 4:04:39 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: RIghtwardHo

It’s not about making another show, its about getting the network to broadcast it


44 posted on 03/24/2014 4:06:38 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: kelly4c
Why do you say fringe religion of creationism? Do you not know that MAINstream religion is all about believing in a supreme creator and that up until recently this country was essentially a Christian one? Meaning that a majority of the people living here had a belief in God...now it’s called “fringe” wow.

Note that I said creationism, not Christianity.

As far as I can tell, creationism is the belief that the book of Genesis is a literal and exact account of the beginning of the world, with the concurrent belief that anyone who says otherwise (like scientists who devote their lives to studying the physical world) is a member of some vast conspiracy. Many attributes of creationists do not align with Christians--for instance, by bearing false witness (proscribed by the Ten Commandments) when they claim that all scientists are liars who invent data. Furthermore, I think they also violate the Ten Commandments by worshipping the earth instead of the creator of the entire universe, who was very clear on whom He expects us to worship.

45 posted on 03/24/2014 4:19:22 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: haroldeveryman

Correct, the young earth creationist movement is itself pretty “young” and is distinctly a minority within Christianity. Of course, they will respond that their belief is the True Doctrine and everyone else is an infidel. Nothing new there.


46 posted on 03/24/2014 4:43:49 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: Up Yours Marxists
Evolution isn’t consistent with the teachings of God.

It's consistent with the works of God, and that "works" for me.

47 posted on 03/24/2014 4:44:52 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: ClearCase_guy

Does anyone still think FOX is not leftist?


48 posted on 03/24/2014 4:45:38 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: DoodleDawg

FOX did not just pick it up , they planned and developed it and funded it.


49 posted on 03/24/2014 4:53:18 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: EveningStar

I keep seeing that “creationists demand equal time”. Yet, once again I followed the link and the links within it and didn’t find evidence that creationists demand equal time (a blog, a video, a quote, a boycott organization page). I have seen complaints about the show wrt evolution, but nobody calling for the show to be shut down or to provide equal time. The closest I’ve seen is “it would be nice if they put on a scientist with an alternate view” - hardly a demand for equal time.

The headlines should be “Liberals Demand that You Think Creationists act the way Liberals Act”


50 posted on 03/24/2014 5:18:25 AM PDT by LostPassword
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