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MH370 pilot upset over wife's decision to move out and in 'no state of mind to be flying' ...
The Daily Mail Online ^ | March 25, 2014 | ANDREW CHESTERTON and RICHARD SHEARS

Posted on 03/25/2014 7:17:19 PM PDT by Uncle Chip

'Last joyride'

The pilot of doomed flight MH370 was devastated over his wife’s decision to move out of their family home, and could have taken the plane for a ‘last joyride’ before it crashed into the southern Indian Ocean killing all 239 people on board, says a long-time friend of the pilot.

The friend, also a pilot, said Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah didn’t appear to be in the right state of mind to be flying, warning that it was ‘very possible that neither the passengers nor the other crew on-board knew what was happening until it was too late’.

‘He's one of the finest pilots around and I'm no medical expert, but with all that was happening in his life Zaharie was probably in no state of mind to be flying,’ he told the NZ Herald on the condition of anonymity.

The friend said the pilot's relationships were breaking down, with Captain Shah involved with another woman and his wife having decided to move out of their family home.

He said the pilot could have seen MH370 as an opportunity to try high-risk maneuvers he'd perfected on his beloved flight simulator.

These shocking new claims follow reports that flight MH370 climbed to between 43,000 and 45,000ft shortly after the last voice communication from the cockpit of the plane.

A source, who wished to remain anonymous, told MailOnline: 'It was tracked flying at this altitude for 23 minutes before descending. Oxygen would have run out in 12 minutes [in a depressurised cabin], rendering the passengers unconscious.'...

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1 posted on 03/25/2014 7:17:19 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m done with flying-—if I can’t drive there, i don’t go there!

Thank goodness all of our kids and grandkids are now living within an easy drive for us.


2 posted on 03/25/2014 7:21:18 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Uncle Chip
it was ‘very possible that neither the passengers nor the other crew on-board knew what was happening until it was too late’.

Sorry I don’t buy that the Co-Pilot would not know what was going on until it was too late unless he was dead before it started.

3 posted on 03/25/2014 7:23:28 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Strange........

Dec 9, 2013 - A Chinese man reportedly committed suicide in a crowded mall over the weekend after arguing with his girlfriend about her shopping.

March 10, 2014 A Malaysian man reportedly commited suicide in a crowded jet over the weekend after aguing with his wife about her snooping


4 posted on 03/25/2014 7:24:51 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Uncle Chip

So why fly a thousand miles before crashing it?


5 posted on 03/25/2014 7:25:32 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Working up the balls to do it


6 posted on 03/25/2014 7:30:27 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: Pontiac

Until we know the relative location of the bodies, it’s possible the co-pilot was in the washroom or taking an in-flight nap when the pilot decided to end it all.

From the height of the plane, to the ocean, it would only take somebody a few seconds to hit the water.


7 posted on 03/25/2014 7:31:54 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: BenLurkin

It took that long to run out of fuel.


8 posted on 03/25/2014 7:32:10 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: basil

I feel the same way as you do about flying. It was never very high up on my list of things I liked to do but even so I have seen a fair portion of the world. I think I am done with it.


9 posted on 03/25/2014 7:32:30 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Pontiac
Double, double, toil and trouble, fire burn and caldron bubble....

All this mystery and chaos the past couple weeks....and it may turn out to be a domestic.

Leni

10 posted on 03/25/2014 7:32:43 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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And then we have this from CNN telling us that the plane dropped to 12,000ft as they lobby for mechanical error:

Source: Flight 370’s altitude dropped after sharp turn

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?iid=article_sidebar


11 posted on 03/25/2014 7:33:09 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

It wouldn’t be the first time a pilot tried to go too high.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Airlines_Flight_3701

The two pilots were exploring the performance limits of the empty CRJ-200 on the ferry flight. The pilots decided to test the limits of the CRJ, and join the “410 Club,” referring to pilots who pushed CRJs to their maximum approved altitude of Flight Level 410 (41,000 feet).

The accident sequence started when the pilots performed several non-standard maneuvers at 15,000 feet, including a pitch-up at 2.3g (23 m/s²) that induced a stall warning. They set the autopilot to climb at 500 ft/min to FL410. This exceeded the manufacturer’s recommended climb rate at altitudes above FL380. In the attempt to reach FL410, the plane was pulled up at over 1.2g, and the angle of attack became excessive to maintain climb rate in the thinner upper atmosphere. After reaching FL410, the plane was cruising at 150 knots (280 km/h), barely above stall speed, and had over-stressed the engines.

The anti-stall devices activated while they were at altitude, but the pilots overrode the automatic nose-down that would increase speed to prevent stall. After four overrides, both engines experienced flameout and shut down. The plane then stalled, and the pilots recovered from the stall at FL380 while still having no engines. At that altitude, there were six airports within reach for a forced landing. This led the pilots to pitch nose down in an attempt to restart the engines, which requires a dive sharp enough to attain the required 300 kt for a windmill restart to make the blades in the turbines windmill at 10% N2 (turbine rotational speed). The captain did not take the necessary steps to ensure that the first officer achieved the 300-knot or greater airspeed required for the windmill engine restart procedure and then did not demonstrate command authority by taking control of the airplane and accelerating it to at least 300 knots.

However, the turbine blades expanded contacting the honeycomb labyrinth seals allowing the metal to scrape on each other when the engine overheated with zero core rotation. When the engine is shutdown at altitude, the core begins to cool and the stator, including the static Interstage Static Seal (ISS), contracts at a faster rate than the adjacent rotating parts in both the radial and axial direction because of its faster thermal time constant. The relative rate of cooling of the stator and rotor results in an alignment of the rotating seal knife-edges aft of the normal operating groove in the static seal. If the clearances are tight enough and the relative cooling rates are right, contact can occur between the static and rotating seal elements. The resulting stiction can temporarily prevent the rotor from turning when only the force of ram air is applied to the core. Air Turbine Starter (ATS) torque has been shown adequate to overcome this restriction (NTSB Accident Information Brief Update for October 29, 2004.) Thus, when the engine cooled, the assembly did not match anymore and the blades could not rotate freely. The crew ended the descent when they had reached 230 kt but neither engine core (N2) ever indicated any rotation during the entire descent. Since they were too high for an APU start, the ram air turbine (known as an “Air Driven Generator” on Bombardier products) was deployed to power the aircraft, and the crew donned oxygen masks as the cabin slowly depressurized due to loss of pressurization air from the engines.


12 posted on 03/25/2014 7:33:35 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: BenLurkin

According to the article, it’s assumed he, along with the passengers, were dead. The plane supposedly stayed at 43,000 ft for 23 minutes. If the cabin was depressurized, the oxygen would only last so long before the passengers died. The plane could keep on flying on autopilot until it ran out of gas.


13 posted on 03/25/2014 7:34:05 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Uncle Chip
This is not something a man does after the ol lady move out.

For that you get a bottle of whiskey, a carton of Marlboros and a couple of dancing girls.

Nope, nary a word of discussion around the fact these pilots were MOSLEMS, and apparently no looks into their JIHADI affiliations.

14 posted on 03/25/2014 7:34:06 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: BenLurkin
So why fly a thousand miles before crashing it?

He wanted to make sure he used up all his frequent flier miles.

15 posted on 03/25/2014 7:37:50 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: basil

A couple of my grandkids have to travel 10,000 miles each year to visit the other side of the family.

Drives me nuts,but that’s the way it is.

.


16 posted on 03/25/2014 7:38:08 PM PDT by Mears (7 syllables is too tough for)
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To: Pontiac
Sorry I don’t buy that the Co-Pilot would not know what was going on until it was too late unless he was dead before it started.

It's not just the co-pilot. They also have cabin crew. Those would certainly start worrying if they don't see familiar landmarks (lights of cities below, at night,) and if the cockpit door remains locked, and even they cannot gain access (reportedly, the cabin crew can open the door, in case of fish poisoning,) and nobody enters, nobody leaves.

If all that happens and the cabin crew is alerted, I can't imagine that they have absolutely no way to communicate with the ground or, at least, send a distress signal. It only takes one button and two wires... does Boeing have that?

Another nail into the container of this idea is the theory that when husbands are upset about their wives or their families, and when they are willing to inflict violence onto someone, very rarely they choose to leave the "guilty" alone and instead kill a bunch of strangers. I would rather expect the husband to go postal on his wife. Killing the passengers makes no sense whatsoever, from any point of view.

One can say, of course, that the man was insane. But then we throw all the logic out of the window; we can also say that the airplane was swallowed by the antipode of the Bermuda Triangle and transported a few billion years back. Such a theory would be equally sound (such as a pure guess, with no facts to support it.)

17 posted on 03/25/2014 7:39:52 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: LucyT

FWIW


18 posted on 03/25/2014 7:40:52 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Uncle Chip

I keep coming back to no one has found so much as a seat cushion yet.

The plane has been claimed to have been everywhere but at McDonalds with Elvis.

This last bit of sudden certainty seems an attempt to make it all go away. Its still liable to show up on a runway in Pakistan or something.


19 posted on 03/25/2014 7:41:46 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Uncle Chip

If he was taking the whole plane down to make the ex suffer for breaking it off with him— he’d have made it clear to her that’s why he did it. There would have been a note or something.

It doesn’t seem to fit these facts.


20 posted on 03/25/2014 7:45:56 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: basil

If I cant get their with EL AL I don’t bother flying..went last year to Israel, best airline in the world..top notch..but was still terrified in the air, couldn’t wait to be on ground(Yeah let’s basically say Im NOT a good flyer) I prefer to be on solid ground.


21 posted on 03/25/2014 7:52:13 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: BenLurkin

If the story is true about the plane being at 45,000 feet for 23 minutes, the passengers are already dead..so he probably flew around trying to muster the courage to off himself


22 posted on 03/25/2014 7:53:00 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: wonkowasright

The plane is somewhere that nobody has been looking. At this point I question -all- of the facts so far reported. Did it really turn? Maybe not. Did they fly out west? Maybe not.

Did it lawn-dart into the mountain jungle of Cambodia? Maybe. Some other place? Sure. Maybe.

I think there is something -very- basic about the information we are assuming that is just plain -wrong-. All the communications. All the radar info. All the ADIS data. Everything. Something there is just wrong.

We are looking in the wrong place.


23 posted on 03/25/2014 7:53:01 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Moonman62

After 9-11, a friend’s wife refused to fly to her brother’s in Ireland or let their kids go with him, so he went himself. Yep, she was good with that.


24 posted on 03/25/2014 7:53:10 PM PDT by Insigne123 (It is the soldier, not the community organizer, who gives us freedom of the press)
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To: Mariner
For that you get a bottle of whiskey, a carton of Marlboros and a couple of dancing girls.

He was making good progress on exactly that plan:

The friend said the pilot's relationships were breaking down, with Captain Shah involved with another woman and his wife having decided to move out of their family home.

So the wife #1 is leaving - what is there to worry about? He has a replacement on hot standby. Muslims do not rate their women exceptionally high anyway. A man can send his wife packing just by sending her three SMS with the text "I divorce you." Or he could keep both. Certainly this is not something that a Muslim would commit a mass murder for. It's not even a killing of infidels; some Chinese passengers may be fellow Muslims. The Quran forbids that.

25 posted on 03/25/2014 7:59:57 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard

From what I understand in the Muslim culture its a sin to commit suicide, but as long as you do it for Allah and Jihad its all good


26 posted on 03/25/2014 8:01:56 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: wonkowasright

Yeah, let’s see some evidence first of the actual bird.


27 posted on 03/25/2014 8:02:16 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Ramius

You are using “western” logic. Remember, the captain was Malay, and “loss of face” is devastating. All of the machinations of the company and government have been dictated by this philosophy. Does Air Malaysia keep a handgun in the cabin like some U.S. carriers do now? Pilot 86s the co-pilot, heads up to fl460 which takes care of the passengers and rest of crew, sets the auto-pilot for the Roaring 40s, takes off his mask and goes to sleep. Hard to prove suicide at those depths.


28 posted on 03/25/2014 8:04:07 PM PDT by W.Lee (After the first one, the rest are free.)
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To: wonkowasright

Its still liable to show up on a runway in Pakistan or something.”

Agreed


29 posted on 03/25/2014 8:07:36 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: W.Lee
Hard to prove suicide at those depths.

It is or it isn't, and no court of law will save him if it is. If their deity is all-knowing, it doesn't matter what humans think. Even in Islam, their god will know.

30 posted on 03/25/2014 8:10:33 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Moonman62

Well, I guess they joined “The 410 Club”.

For a few minutes, anyways.

Oops (x100).


31 posted on 03/25/2014 8:13:18 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Greysard

I don’t think we’ll ever know what transpired. Here was a highly respected, and well-liked, very experienced pilot. His wife was stunningly beautiful, with a couple of lovely kids,,,,, and he was fooling with another woman? I guess he might have just snapped as his life fell apart around him. Who knows? Who will ever know?


32 posted on 03/25/2014 8:14:56 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Uncle Chip

This article sounds like sensationalistic B.S.


33 posted on 03/25/2014 8:15:28 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Smokin' Joe

perhaps he killed himself after setting autopilot for the south pole


34 posted on 03/25/2014 8:16:52 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: basil

I still trust an airline pilot more than I trust all the lunatics and incompetents driving cars.

As for the statistics, you are 180 times more likely to die in a car crash than a plane crash.

And I will bet my life on that statistic.


35 posted on 03/25/2014 8:16:54 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Uncle Chip; a fool in paradise

The bitch made ‘im do it!


36 posted on 03/25/2014 8:17:32 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Greysard

The moslem pilot probably bopped the other women because moslems have a final alcohol/sex fling before going Kamikaze (just like 9-11 hijackers).

In other words, if you notice Hussein bopping Larry Sinclair ‘one last time,’ head deep underground.


37 posted on 03/25/2014 8:21:24 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Greysard

Since the pilot was Muslim I doubt his wife was stupid enough to leave him the day before he flew out.

She would have left while he was gone or risk being punished per sharia law. IDK but this whole thing doesn’t ring true.


38 posted on 03/25/2014 8:28:26 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: wonkowasright
This last bit of sudden certainty seems an attempt to make it all go away. Its still liable to show up on a runway in Pakistan or something.

It takes time to get fake wreckage into position and load data and drop off a couple of data recorders.

39 posted on 03/25/2014 8:33:02 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Insigne123

“After 9-11, a friend’s...”

It’s funny you mention the numbers 9 and 11. I remember seeing on CNN that the last communication from either the pilot or the transponder was at 1:19 a.m. The last ping from the Rolls Royce engines to the INMARSAT was at 9:11 a.m.

Muzzies love the number 19 because that number as a gematria in the Koran runs throughout it.

(Gematria is an Assyro-Babylonian system of numerology later adopted by Jews which assigns numerical value to a word or phrase, in the belief that words or phrases with identical numerical values bear some relation to each other, or bear some relation to the number itself as it may apply to a person’s age, the calendar year, or the like. The best-known example of Gematria is the Hebrew word Chai (”alive”), which is composed of two letters which (using the assignments in the Mispar gadol table shown below) add up to 18. This has made 18 a “lucky number” among Jews, and gifts in multiples of 18 are very popular.[1])

Muzzies use gematria, too, in the Koran.


40 posted on 03/25/2014 8:40:13 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Greysard

Sounds to me like another red herring of the many excuses posited.


41 posted on 03/25/2014 8:41:14 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: W.Lee

Let’s see if they find any floating debris on the surface, find or at least hear the CVR and/or FDR, and see if sonar detects the wreckage at the bottom of 23,000 feet of water.


42 posted on 03/25/2014 8:42:50 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: beebuster2000

So who is down at the South Pole?


43 posted on 03/25/2014 8:43:33 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

no one, but by setting autopilot for south pole he knew the plane would stay in level flight until it ran out of gas. then he killed himself.


44 posted on 03/25/2014 8:53:49 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Jack Hydrazine

the south pole still has the secret nazi airbase from ww2.


45 posted on 03/25/2014 8:54:23 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: bravo whiskey
the south pole still has the secret nazi airbase from ww2.

Actually, there are two of them, the other is owned by George Soros. And, as a retired general expert said on television, the distance from the Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is the same as the distance from Kuala Lumpur to those airbases.

46 posted on 03/25/2014 8:57:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Girlene

Here’s the question I have about that:

After the first hairpin turn off course, what direction was the pane headed?

Because that wasn’t, I don’t think the same, direction as it eventually went.


47 posted on 03/25/2014 9:02:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“This last bit of sudden certainty seems an attempt to make it all go away. Its still liable to show up on a runway in Pakistan or something.”

No, it’s the result of some mathematical data from INMARSAT that indicates this airplane was flying away and in a southerly direction from its satellite at this time. It’s not 100% but it is hugely indicative. The airplane has not turned up on any military or civilian radar sets to the north, nor any airports that could support it, nor has any wreckage been found in any parts north on dry land. Probability and likelihood say it is not to the north but rather to the south. Nothing to indicate otherwise right now.

“From what I understand in the Muslim culture its a sin to commit suicide, but as long as you do it for Allah and Jihad its all good..”

It’s about personal rationalization. No two people rationalize their circumstance or situation the exact same way. This airplane appears to have been flown competently through it’s final turn south into the Indian Ocean. Be this a pilot or crew member aboard the plane purposely doing this maybe the act of suicide could be rationalized by also taking 200 or so non-believers down with you.

“sets the auto-pilot for the Roaring 40s, takes off his mask and goes to sleep. Hard to prove suicide at those depths.”

Pure conjecture, but the last person in the cockpit (pilot, crew member, hijacker) sets the final course into the deep dark Indian and then downs a bottle of sleeping pills and a jug of vodka. They are killing themselves and in the process making sure the entire airplane goes down too. No one left to steer the airplane to a landing place.

Just a thought. Not an assertion.

The plane and the people on it are gone.


48 posted on 03/25/2014 9:03:51 PM PDT by FAA
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To: Revolting cat!

So this guy is getting on an airliner and the guy he’s sitting next to has a black eye. He asks him, “what happened to you”? and the guy says, “well, the girl at the ticket counter was a real babe, built really well, and when she asked me what I wanted, I said a one-way picket to titsburg”. “She acted all offended and hauled off and hit me”.

After telling his story the guy said, “you know, you’re one to talk. You have two black eyes and swollen lip. What happened to you?” The guy who had taken the seat said, “same thing as you......I was at the breakfast table and I meant to ask my wife, Honey please pass me the post toasties, and instead it came out...............you bitch, you’ve ruined my life!!!!”


49 posted on 03/25/2014 9:06:27 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The information on the satellite tracking of the plane, at least explained by some “expert” on Hannity tonight, was highly suspect - apparently the tracking was done from a geosynchronous satellite, with the distance from it to the plane and the plane’s direction being determined by the timing and Doppler of the seven or eight pings picked up by the satellite over the length of the flight - the plot of such tracking should then be a target of rings with the satellite in the center and the distances to the plane represented by the radii of the rings - but the track of the plane which was depicted in the demonstration tonight was that which has been shown in the press for days - a single arc beginning around Malaysia and ending in the middle of the Indian Ocean - this would mean the plane would have had to have flown for five to eight hour at exactly the same distance from the satellite all the way - highly unlikely - there’s also some vague discussion of comparing some sort of patterns of known flights to those picked up with 370, and thus being able to rule out the northern flight path, which of course would have also been possible by continuing the southern arc northward on around the satellite, but it’s not really obvious by what’s public just how those comparisons would work - by this data, it’s not convincing at all that the plane is down in the southern Indian Ocean....


50 posted on 03/25/2014 9:17:04 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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