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Game of Thrones tells the story of Britain better than most histories
http://www.spectator.co.uk ^ | March 29, 2014 | Ed West

Posted on 03/30/2014 6:51:27 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

A young pretender raises an army to take the throne. Having recently learnt of his father’s beheading, the adolescent — dashing and charismatic and descended from the old kings of the north — vows to avenge him. Despite his youth, he has already won in the field and commands the loyalty of many of the leading families of the realm; he is supported in this war by his mother, who has spirited away her two younger boys to safety. Pitted against them is the Queen, proud and strong-willed, and more of a man than anyone around her, battling for the inheritance of her sadistic young son.

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I had heard about this series, but I don't have HBO. I rented the series from the public library. I really like anything to do with medieval days, and even though this is fiction, it's really good. My wife read the books and wanted to watch the series. A lot of gratuitous sex scenes, but we fast forward through them. Of course a lot of violence and definitely not a movie for children.
1 posted on 03/30/2014 6:51:27 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

I’ve seen bits of it.

Utter garbage.

Why do people watch?

It’s also mainstreaming pornography.


2 posted on 03/30/2014 6:53:23 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: NKP_Vet
A Quick Recap from Mr. Garrison for those of you not in the know.

Mr. Garrison Teaches Game of Thrones as History: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFA4sCBaHok

You don't have to be a History Buff to get the Link between the Lannisters and Lancasters.

3 posted on 03/30/2014 6:55:15 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: NKP_Vet

It is a rip off of the following:

1. War of the Roses

2. Lord of the Rings

3. The Hyborian Age by Robert E Howard


4 posted on 03/30/2014 6:55:30 AM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: ifinnegan; GeronL; NKP_Vet; Tax-chick
Your Comment would work even better in a 50 Shades of Grey Thread.


5 posted on 03/30/2014 6:57:45 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: NKP_Vet

I had watched the series during the ‘free weekends’ my cable occasionally has. It was difficult to keep up when they were only showing 10 episodes per year.

This month, my cable has the entire 3 previous seasons On Demand. I have been marathoning the first 3 seasons and the storyline makes more sense now. I am about half-way through Season 3 in preparation for Season 4 which starts next month.


6 posted on 03/30/2014 7:06:25 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy; NKP_Vet; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA

I find it to be very slow and boring. There aren’t enough good battle scenes and it is very predictable for me, who has yet to read any of it. I do not think Martin is anywhere near Tolkien. I think the homosexual (lesbian) sex in the series, which was surprisingly graphic enough, was to keep people watching. Charles Dance is really the only interesting character left. I have dropped HBO since last Spring.

I read that HBO bought the series only for the “red wedding” scene.


7 posted on 03/30/2014 7:15:03 AM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: TomGuy

If you have a chance to watch them all, and can go back and watch the first season over, it’s pretty easy to tie everything together. That’s what I have done.


8 posted on 03/30/2014 7:22:37 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patto)
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To: Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj; Impy

I’ve never watched an entire episode of the show; the only reason I watched what I did is ‘cause Carice van Houten (one of my modern favs) was nekkid.

I dumped HBO after “True Detective” finished; all of the “premium” channels are schlock.


9 posted on 03/30/2014 7:22:54 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: Perdogg; Impy; NFHale; TomGuy; NKP_Vet; BillyBoy; GOPsterinMA

Have any of you watched “Black Sails” on Starz ? I found it to be just as boring and hard to follow all the characters. I only watched it as long as I did for the Jessica Biel lookalike, Jessica Parker Kennedy, who is stunning.


10 posted on 03/30/2014 7:27:46 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: NKP_Vet

That is what I have been doing for the last 2 weeks now. I am re-watching the entire series On Demand.

I also pulled up the official webpage to identify families and some individuals.


11 posted on 03/30/2014 7:31:45 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg; Impy; BillyBoy

“Have any of you watched “Black Sails” on Starz ?”

I watch “White Sails” on Meteorz.


12 posted on 03/30/2014 7:32:09 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: TomGuy

Here’s a good link.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Tywin_Lannister


13 posted on 03/30/2014 7:37:51 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA

I had Starz free for several years but it ran out. This pirate show looked interesting so I considered pirate downloading it, but your opinion of it put me off.

I watched a couple of Starz series, they all seem to get canceled. “Boss”, I enjoyed a lot and was sorry to see canceled. I found the plot very interesting and I have a thing for Kathleen Robertson, who appeared nude every other episode.

“Camelot”, was stupid but had Eva Green. A few eps of “Magic City” before my Starz ran out, Olga Kurylenko. Never saw their acclaimed “Spartacus” other than certain lewd scenes made available on certain websites.

No HBO, never seen GOT, other than a certain scene of the blond dragon egg girl not enjoying her wedding night. But I feel like I should watch it due to the cultural significance it’s seemed to achieve.


14 posted on 03/30/2014 8:14:13 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: All
6 Feet Under

nuff said

15 posted on 03/30/2014 8:24:13 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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To: NKP_Vet

I’ve always thought of Westeros to be Britain before the last ice advance maximum. Put the Ice wall where Hadrian’s wall was later built.


16 posted on 03/30/2014 8:26:16 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Impy

Cancelling “Boss” was a disappointment. Got too close to the ugly reality of Chicago/Combiner politics. It had low ratings.

“Magic City” was OK, great period sets and costumes, but it seemed to lack a compelling storyline. The lead actor (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) was no James Gandolfini, whom I found boring, but the real star was Danny Huston. I’d rather he have been the central character, a full on psychopath. It was like he was channeling his dad, John, from “Chinatown.”

I’m waiting to see if “Penny Dreadful” is any good (it also has Eva Green), but it sounds like they put all the late 19th century horror stories into a big blender (though they admitted as such).

I have yet to watch GOT, but when I saw it had over 250 characters, that was just too much to take. You need a soap opera-style program (with 5 hour eps a week) over a period of years to begin to absorb all of that. I watch the remaining 4 soaps on the networks (General Hospital being one, where you have over 50 or so active characters, and having watched for about 12 years, I at least am familiar with the motivations, histories, etc.).


17 posted on 03/30/2014 8:52:32 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: NKP_Vet
Pitted against them is the Queen, proud and strong-willed, and more of a man than anyone around her, battling for the inheritance of her sadistic young son.

Huh? Cersei is no longer the queen and her father and brother (and lover) certainly seem manly enough. Other than that I suppose this is correct.

18 posted on 03/30/2014 9:02:44 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: NKP_Vet
And most of the time the characters are doing neither what is right or wrong but what is needed to further their clan; in the words of Tywin Lannister, a cold and ruthless aristocrat based on Edward I, he is a man who does what is necessary — and it’s often horrible.

True enough. However, what finally turned me off the books, quite some time before the movie came out, was the absence of characters, after the death of Stark, who were honorable by the standards of their time.

We forget how utterly necessary a reputation (at least) for honor was to a medieval leader. There was no government, in the sense we think of it, only reciprocal vows of fealty and protection. A leader's power was quite literally based on his follower's belief that he was a man who would honor his vows to them, which was what led them to honor theirs to him.

Yes, Richard III probably bumped off his nephews in the Tower, something mentioned in the article. But that's precisely my point. By doing so, he lost the support of his followers, who abandoned him or turned against him, some of them on the field of battle itself.

GOT ignores the huge number of medieval men who did indeed behave honorably. One good example was John of Gaunt, ancestor of the Lancasters. He was regent for Richard II, who had succeeded at the age of 10. John could easily have usurped the throne, but remained loyal.

Another example was John of Bedford, himself a Lancaster, who loyally protected and served his nephew Henry VI, who succeeded his father as King while still less than a year old.

It seems to me GOT completely ignored the down-side, politically speaking, of a reputation for not behaving in a way seen as honorable by peers and vassals. To be sure, what that consisted of was often quite different from what we would consider it to be today.

Seems to me Martin projected the modern attitude of disdain and cynicism about personal honor back into the Middle Ages where it just didn't belong. Such men certainly existed, but they had to a considerable extent hide it. There were very real limits on what a medieval noble or king could do without destroying his own power base.

19 posted on 03/30/2014 9:23:58 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ifinnegan

It’s also mainstreaming pornography.

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Yep!


20 posted on 03/30/2014 9:31:17 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Nice perspective. I don’t think modern people are aware of the code of knightly chivalry (Geoffrey de Charny).


21 posted on 03/30/2014 9:34:17 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Sherman Logan

Nice perspective. I don’t think modern people are aware of the code of knightly chivalry (Geoffrey de Charny).


22 posted on 03/30/2014 9:34:18 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: NKP_Vet
My introduction to Game of Thrones came with the airing of the last episode of Season 3 (the last episode aired). I had a colleague at work who had read the books tell me about the red wedding scene. At that point, I went back to the beginning and streamed the entire series over the internet for free.

Yes, there is gratuitous sex and violence. But beyond that, it is a fascinating display of politics - the study of power.

I have since begun reading the books and just completed book 2. I greatly appreciate Martin's style of writing, his command of the English language. From a literary standpoint, it is first rate.

For those of you who are too turned off by HBO's excesses, I would highly recommend reading the books.

23 posted on 03/30/2014 9:35:38 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: KC_Lion

“Gray” is a color. “Grey” is a name.


24 posted on 03/30/2014 9:37:59 AM PDT by AceMineral (Some people are slaves of their own stupidity.)
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To: Impy

Yeah Black Sails is a dud. Vikings is better, and I’ve found the new series The Musketeers to be fantastic.


25 posted on 03/30/2014 9:41:44 AM PDT by Teflonic
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To: AceMineral
“Gray” is a color. “Grey” is a name.

Grey is an alternate spelling of gray.

26 posted on 03/30/2014 9:44:39 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016.)
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To: AceMineral

Grey is the color in the UK and commonwealth.


27 posted on 03/30/2014 9:44:55 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; GOPsterinMA
Cancelling “Boss” was a disappointment. Got too close to the ugly reality of Chicago/Combiner politics.

Yes, it felt true to life with some fun embellishment and extra sleaze of course.

The murder of the closeted lesbian GOP candidate for Governor's (who was running for the office for a 4th time!) girlfriend, ruining her campaign, was a prescient embellishment of the Rutherford gubernatorial campaign.

The rat State Treasurer character who ran for Governor had shades of real life rat Comptroller Dan Hynes. His wife was the typical social climbing wife of a serial adulterer, countless real life examples.

The pious Catholic RAT State's attorney who couldn't bring himself to actually cheat on his wife so he just forced his hot assistant to diddle herself in front of him instead. First Lady of Chi Connie Nielson selling herself to some old pervert friend of her father who knew her since childhood. Mayor's Grammer's illegitimate son knowingly hooking up with his half-sister (who didn't know). LOL.

28 posted on 03/30/2014 9:47:26 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: thecodont

Another example was King John. Many modern historians are somewhat flummoxed by the great hatred for him among Englishmen of the time.

By modern standards he was a pretty good medieval King. Hard-working, reformist, etc.

But by the standards of the time he was the worst of all English kings. He didn’t really do a great deal that his father and brother hadn’t done, but the way he went about things was seen as dishonorable.

He provoked his barons to demand Magna Carta, and eventually to revolt and call in the French King’s son to replace him, obviously not something English barons would do except under extreme provocation. The French/English coalition was in the process of winning when John suddenly died, leaving his nine-year old son as heir.

Once John the dishonorable was gone, support for the French claimant evaporated, and he was pretty quickly chased out of England. The obviously weak reign of a young boy was seen as infinitely preferable to the strong but dishonorable rule of his father.


29 posted on 03/30/2014 9:47:44 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ifinnegan

30 posted on 03/30/2014 9:48:15 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Sherman Logan

“Such men certainly existed”

Yes they, and they were called the Knights Templar.


31 posted on 03/30/2014 9:49:18 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet
Some of them, perhaps. But there were many others. Medieval society would have collapsed if they had not been dominant.

I'm not trying to say men of the Middle Ages were better than those of today. Human nature is eternal.

But in a society based on honor and vows, those who were perceived to be dishonorable paid a very steep price indeed.

What bothered me about GOT was the open disdain of characters for honor. A very unusual attitude indeed for the Middle Ages, where even the most dishonorable actors attempted to portray themselves as honorable.

And none of the wildly and openly dishonorable behavior in GOT seems to phase their followers, who are themselves dependent on their lords' honor.

Reminded me of one of the Batman movies, where the Joker is constantly murdering his minions, yet always seems to have a fresh crop of loyal henchmen on hand whenever he needs them. That just doesn't work.

32 posted on 03/30/2014 10:01:00 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: fieldmarshaldj

There are family trees and maps at hbo online and in the books.

Fyi


33 posted on 03/30/2014 10:08:25 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: NKP_Vet

He who has not read the books is doomed to watch in ignorance.


34 posted on 03/30/2014 10:10:53 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Sherman Logan
What bothered me about GOT was the open disdain of characters for honor.

In GOT there only long term honor which shows up in some characters unexpectedly (even to them). You have to read the book to get it. The most honorable human is a whoring dwarf who murders _____.

35 posted on 03/30/2014 10:25:16 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette

I think I got partway thru the third book before baling out.

The dwarf was indeed the most interesting character. I’ve seen a very few segments of the series, only one entire episode, I think. The actor playing the dwarf has GOT to have the best role ever for a “little person.” He’s not just a peripheral character, a comic relief, a sidekick, or a way for other characters to demonstrate their nobility. He’s an actual pivotal character in the story, and without a bunch of PC nonsense to justify it.

My problem is that for me to get involved in a story there has to be at least one character I care about what happens to him/her. And it’s really hard for me to care about characters with no redeeming traits. That makes a lot of recent movies tough. I think, for instance, of the movie Chicago, which had great singing and dancing but despicable characters.

I get that LOTR is quite unrealistic in its black/white, good/evil dichotomy. But GOT to my mind goes WAY too far off the other end of the scale.


36 posted on 03/30/2014 10:36:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I don’t know where I originally found this, here is one link. Hmm, interesting lists on it, and other links.

http://marshall.freeshell.org/chivalry.html

The Ten Commandments of the Code of Chivalry

THE CODE:
Thou shalt respect the weak and constitute thyself the defender of them.
Thou shalt love the land to which thou hast sworn fealty.
Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemy.
Thou shalt make war upon evil without cessation.
Thou shalt scrupulously perform thy noble duties be they not contrary to the laws of the land.
Thou shalt be generous and give freely to everyone.
Thou shalt never lie and shall always be faithful to thy word.
Thou shalt be everywhere and always the champion of the Right and the Good against Injustice and Evil.

THE MEASURE:
A Knight is sworn to Valor;
His heart must know only Virtue;
His Perfect blade must defend the helpless,
And his might shall uphold all weak.
His breath shall bring a word that speaks only truth.
His justly wrath shall undo the wicked.


37 posted on 03/30/2014 12:44:22 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; Bender2; Perdogg

We saw “Grand Budapest Hotel” last night; typical quirky Wes Anderson flick. Good acting, especially Ralph Fiennes.

Worth watching if you’re an Anderson fan.

“Boss”:
Kathleen Robertson nude? Google time!

Connie Nielson - wall victim.


38 posted on 03/30/2014 2:03:14 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: GOPsterinMA
"Connie Nielson - wall victim."

Wall victim ? Que pasa ?

39 posted on 03/30/2014 2:26:45 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Here you go:

http://www.returnofkings.com/29631/why-do-we-root-for-women-to-hit-the-wall


40 posted on 03/30/2014 2:31:37 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The actor playing the dwarf has GOT to have the best role ever for a “little person.”

He won and was nominated for many awards. It was a great part most actors would cut their legs off to get that part.

41 posted on 03/30/2014 4:03:34 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

Funny, I could tell that was a Wes Anderson film just from the trailer. The only ones of his I’ve seen are “Rushmore” and “The Royal Tenenbaums”.


42 posted on 03/30/2014 4:25:15 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

I like Anderson’s use of colors; it reminds me of the scope of classic films.


43 posted on 03/30/2014 4:48:52 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Read up on the author. He’s a truly reprehensible human being. He believes that there’s no such thing as honor, and that evil will always win out... and he writes his novels to demonstrate such. His characters would have been called “machiavels” in the Renaissance... and they would have been the antagonists, rather than the protagonists.

I’ll stick with novels and TV shows that have characters I can root for, as opposed to books and shows that deliberately troll me...


44 posted on 03/30/2014 5:33:28 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Anyone watching Vikings on the History Channel?


45 posted on 03/31/2014 11:22:36 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: NKP_Vet

Can anyone share what happened on last nights episode. I don’t have an HBO subscription.


46 posted on 04/07/2014 8:32:53 AM PDT by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: ifinnegan

I love the show. However, I am dismayed by all the gratuitous sex. I always fast forward things that I find objectionable.

They seemed to tone down the sex in Season 3.


47 posted on 04/07/2014 8:34:32 AM PDT by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: Hoodat

How did you get to watch it for free?


48 posted on 04/07/2014 8:36:50 AM PDT by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: diamond6
Here's two links:

http://stream-tv.me/watch-game-of-thrones-online-2/

http://quickstream.org/game-of-thrones-season-1-stream/

49 posted on 04/07/2014 8:48:16 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Hoodat

Thank you!

Does this link have the most recent episode?


50 posted on 04/07/2014 10:03:10 AM PDT by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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