Skip to comments.Game of Thrones tells the story of Britain better than most histories
Posted on 03/30/2014 6:51:27 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
A young pretender raises an army to take the throne. Having recently learnt of his fathers beheading, the adolescent dashing and charismatic and descended from the old kings of the north vows to avenge him. Despite his youth, he has already won in the field and commands the loyalty of many of the leading families of the realm; he is supported in this war by his mother, who has spirited away her two younger boys to safety. Pitted against them is the Queen, proud and strong-willed, and more of a man than anyone around her, battling for the inheritance of her sadistic young son.
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I’ve seen bits of it.
Why do people watch?
It’s also mainstreaming pornography.
You don't have to be a History Buff to get the Link between the Lannisters and Lancasters.
It is a rip off of the following:
1. War of the Roses
2. Lord of the Rings
3. The Hyborian Age by Robert E Howard
I had watched the series during the ‘free weekends’ my cable occasionally has. It was difficult to keep up when they were only showing 10 episodes per year.
This month, my cable has the entire 3 previous seasons On Demand. I have been marathoning the first 3 seasons and the storyline makes more sense now. I am about half-way through Season 3 in preparation for Season 4 which starts next month.
I find it to be very slow and boring. There aren’t enough good battle scenes and it is very predictable for me, who has yet to read any of it. I do not think Martin is anywhere near Tolkien. I think the homosexual (lesbian) sex in the series, which was surprisingly graphic enough, was to keep people watching. Charles Dance is really the only interesting character left. I have dropped HBO since last Spring.
I read that HBO bought the series only for the “red wedding” scene.
If you have a chance to watch them all, and can go back and watch the first season over, it’s pretty easy to tie everything together. That’s what I have done.
I’ve never watched an entire episode of the show; the only reason I watched what I did is ‘cause Carice van Houten (one of my modern favs) was nekkid.
I dumped HBO after “True Detective” finished; all of the “premium” channels are schlock.
Have any of you watched “Black Sails” on Starz ? I found it to be just as boring and hard to follow all the characters. I only watched it as long as I did for the Jessica Biel lookalike, Jessica Parker Kennedy, who is stunning.
That is what I have been doing for the last 2 weeks now. I am re-watching the entire series On Demand.
I also pulled up the official webpage to identify families and some individuals.
“Have any of you watched Black Sails on Starz ?”
I watch “White Sails” on Meteorz.
Here’s a good link.
I had Starz free for several years but it ran out. This pirate show looked interesting so I considered pirate downloading it, but your opinion of it put me off.
I watched a couple of Starz series, they all seem to get canceled. “Boss”, I enjoyed a lot and was sorry to see canceled. I found the plot very interesting and I have a thing for Kathleen Robertson, who appeared nude every other episode.
“Camelot”, was stupid but had Eva Green. A few eps of “Magic City” before my Starz ran out, Olga Kurylenko. Never saw their acclaimed “Spartacus” other than certain lewd scenes made available on certain websites.
No HBO, never seen GOT, other than a certain scene of the blond dragon egg girl not enjoying her wedding night. But I feel like I should watch it due to the cultural significance it’s seemed to achieve.
I’ve always thought of Westeros to be Britain before the last ice advance maximum. Put the Ice wall where Hadrian’s wall was later built.
Cancelling “Boss” was a disappointment. Got too close to the ugly reality of Chicago/Combiner politics. It had low ratings.
“Magic City” was OK, great period sets and costumes, but it seemed to lack a compelling storyline. The lead actor (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) was no James Gandolfini, whom I found boring, but the real star was Danny Huston. I’d rather he have been the central character, a full on psychopath. It was like he was channeling his dad, John, from “Chinatown.”
I’m waiting to see if “Penny Dreadful” is any good (it also has Eva Green), but it sounds like they put all the late 19th century horror stories into a big blender (though they admitted as such).
I have yet to watch GOT, but when I saw it had over 250 characters, that was just too much to take. You need a soap opera-style program (with 5 hour eps a week) over a period of years to begin to absorb all of that. I watch the remaining 4 soaps on the networks (General Hospital being one, where you have over 50 or so active characters, and having watched for about 12 years, I at least am familiar with the motivations, histories, etc.).
Huh? Cersei is no longer the queen and her father and brother (and lover) certainly seem manly enough. Other than that I suppose this is correct.
True enough. However, what finally turned me off the books, quite some time before the movie came out, was the absence of characters, after the death of Stark, who were honorable by the standards of their time.
We forget how utterly necessary a reputation (at least) for honor was to a medieval leader. There was no government, in the sense we think of it, only reciprocal vows of fealty and protection. A leader's power was quite literally based on his follower's belief that he was a man who would honor his vows to them, which was what led them to honor theirs to him.
Yes, Richard III probably bumped off his nephews in the Tower, something mentioned in the article. But that's precisely my point. By doing so, he lost the support of his followers, who abandoned him or turned against him, some of them on the field of battle itself.
GOT ignores the huge number of medieval men who did indeed behave honorably. One good example was John of Gaunt, ancestor of the Lancasters. He was regent for Richard II, who had succeeded at the age of 10. John could easily have usurped the throne, but remained loyal.
Another example was John of Bedford, himself a Lancaster, who loyally protected and served his nephew Henry VI, who succeeded his father as King while still less than a year old.
It seems to me GOT completely ignored the down-side, politically speaking, of a reputation for not behaving in a way seen as honorable by peers and vassals. To be sure, what that consisted of was often quite different from what we would consider it to be today.
Seems to me Martin projected the modern attitude of disdain and cynicism about personal honor back into the Middle Ages where it just didn't belong. Such men certainly existed, but they had to a considerable extent hide it. There were very real limits on what a medieval noble or king could do without destroying his own power base.
Its also mainstreaming pornography.
Nice perspective. I don’t think modern people are aware of the code of knightly chivalry (Geoffrey de Charny).
Nice perspective. I don’t think modern people are aware of the code of knightly chivalry (Geoffrey de Charny).
Yes, there is gratuitous sex and violence. But beyond that, it is a fascinating display of politics - the study of power.
I have since begun reading the books and just completed book 2. I greatly appreciate Martin's style of writing, his command of the English language. From a literary standpoint, it is first rate.
For those of you who are too turned off by HBO's excesses, I would highly recommend reading the books.
“Gray” is a color. “Grey” is a name.
Yeah Black Sails is a dud. Vikings is better, and I’ve found the new series The Musketeers to be fantastic.
Grey is an alternate spelling of gray.
Grey is the color in the UK and commonwealth.
Yes, it felt true to life with some fun embellishment and extra sleaze of course.
The murder of the closeted lesbian GOP candidate for Governor's (who was running for the office for a 4th time!) girlfriend, ruining her campaign, was a prescient embellishment of the Rutherford gubernatorial campaign.
The rat State Treasurer character who ran for Governor had shades of real life rat Comptroller Dan Hynes. His wife was the typical social climbing wife of a serial adulterer, countless real life examples.
The pious Catholic RAT State's attorney who couldn't bring himself to actually cheat on his wife so he just forced his hot assistant to diddle herself in front of him instead. First Lady of Chi Connie Nielson selling herself to some old pervert friend of her father who knew her since childhood. Mayor's Grammer's illegitimate son knowingly hooking up with his half-sister (who didn't know). LOL.
Another example was King John. Many modern historians are somewhat flummoxed by the great hatred for him among Englishmen of the time.
By modern standards he was a pretty good medieval King. Hard-working, reformist, etc.
But by the standards of the time he was the worst of all English kings. He didn’t really do a great deal that his father and brother hadn’t done, but the way he went about things was seen as dishonorable.
He provoked his barons to demand Magna Carta, and eventually to revolt and call in the French King’s son to replace him, obviously not something English barons would do except under extreme provocation. The French/English coalition was in the process of winning when John suddenly died, leaving his nine-year old son as heir.
Once John the dishonorable was gone, support for the French claimant evaporated, and he was pretty quickly chased out of England. The obviously weak reign of a young boy was seen as infinitely preferable to the strong but dishonorable rule of his father.
“Such men certainly existed”
Yes they, and they were called the Knights Templar.
I'm not trying to say men of the Middle Ages were better than those of today. Human nature is eternal.
But in a society based on honor and vows, those who were perceived to be dishonorable paid a very steep price indeed.
What bothered me about GOT was the open disdain of characters for honor. A very unusual attitude indeed for the Middle Ages, where even the most dishonorable actors attempted to portray themselves as honorable.
And none of the wildly and openly dishonorable behavior in GOT seems to phase their followers, who are themselves dependent on their lords' honor.
Reminded me of one of the Batman movies, where the Joker is constantly murdering his minions, yet always seems to have a fresh crop of loyal henchmen on hand whenever he needs them. That just doesn't work.
There are family trees and maps at hbo online and in the books.
He who has not read the books is doomed to watch in ignorance.
In GOT there only long term honor which shows up in some characters unexpectedly (even to them). You have to read the book to get it. The most honorable human is a whoring dwarf who murders _____.
I think I got partway thru the third book before baling out.
The dwarf was indeed the most interesting character. I’ve seen a very few segments of the series, only one entire episode, I think. The actor playing the dwarf has GOT to have the best role ever for a “little person.” He’s not just a peripheral character, a comic relief, a sidekick, or a way for other characters to demonstrate their nobility. He’s an actual pivotal character in the story, and without a bunch of PC nonsense to justify it.
My problem is that for me to get involved in a story there has to be at least one character I care about what happens to him/her. And it’s really hard for me to care about characters with no redeeming traits. That makes a lot of recent movies tough. I think, for instance, of the movie Chicago, which had great singing and dancing but despicable characters.
I get that LOTR is quite unrealistic in its black/white, good/evil dichotomy. But GOT to my mind goes WAY too far off the other end of the scale.
I don’t know where I originally found this, here is one link. Hmm, interesting lists on it, and other links.
The Ten Commandments of the Code of Chivalry
Thou shalt respect the weak and constitute thyself the defender of them.
Thou shalt love the land to which thou hast sworn fealty.
Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemy.
Thou shalt make war upon evil without cessation.
Thou shalt scrupulously perform thy noble duties be they not contrary to the laws of the land.
Thou shalt be generous and give freely to everyone.
Thou shalt never lie and shall always be faithful to thy word.
Thou shalt be everywhere and always the champion of the Right and the Good against Injustice and Evil.
A Knight is sworn to Valor;
His heart must know only Virtue;
His Perfect blade must defend the helpless,
And his might shall uphold all weak.
His breath shall bring a word that speaks only truth.
His justly wrath shall undo the wicked.
We saw “Grand Budapest Hotel” last night; typical quirky Wes Anderson flick. Good acting, especially Ralph Fiennes.
Worth watching if you’re an Anderson fan.
Kathleen Robertson nude? Google time!
Connie Nielson - wall victim.
Wall victim ? Que pasa ?
He won and was nominated for many awards. It was a great part most actors would cut their legs off to get that part.
Funny, I could tell that was a Wes Anderson film just from the trailer. The only ones of his I’ve seen are “Rushmore” and “The Royal Tenenbaums”.
I like Anderson’s use of colors; it reminds me of the scope of classic films.
Read up on the author. He’s a truly reprehensible human being. He believes that there’s no such thing as honor, and that evil will always win out... and he writes his novels to demonstrate such. His characters would have been called “machiavels” in the Renaissance... and they would have been the antagonists, rather than the protagonists.
I’ll stick with novels and TV shows that have characters I can root for, as opposed to books and shows that deliberately troll me...
Anyone watching Vikings on the History Channel?
Can anyone share what happened on last nights episode. I don’t have an HBO subscription.
I love the show. However, I am dismayed by all the gratuitous sex. I always fast forward things that I find objectionable.
They seemed to tone down the sex in Season 3.
How did you get to watch it for free?
Does this link have the most recent episode?