Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy

birtherreport ^ | March 31, 2014 | Linda Jordan

[Fred Nerks]

TRINITY TIGERS

A Tennis player named Joseph Ndesandjo photographed in 1999, and a tennis player named Richard Ndesandjo who plays in tournament tennis in Africa aren't necessarily related, but you do need a Richard to go with the story that the Nairobi kindergarten MADARI is named after MA for Mark, DA for for David and RI for Richard...

When in fact the word MADARI is actually Swahili for PALACE. That kindergarten is a CHILDREN'S PALACE - if the name of her sons had anything to do with it, where's JOSEPH?

I can hear that littlest violin playing...again.

[Nero Germanicus]

Might you be forgetting that this is Barack Obama’s FBI that works under Attorney General Eric Holder as a bureau of the Department of Justice?

[Greenperson]

I believe the kindergarten predated Joseph’s birth, but not Richard’s, so he wasn’t included in the naming, one supposes. Can we believe anything that comes from any of these “folks” as Barry would call them?

[Fred Nerks]

I believe the kindergarten predated Joseph’s birth, but not Richard’s, so he wasn’t included in the naming, one supposes. Can we believe anything that comes from any of these “folks” as Barry would call them?

Short answer? NO!

[cousteausghost]

So when someone posts a completely ludicrous theory and when you encourange them to think through the logical consequences of what they are saying (ie when did all these hundreds of people give their consent to take part in this exercise) - that’s a bad thing? Ok then - got it, you want FR to be for cranks. Carry on - as you were.

[butterdezillion]

Did you ask me a question and forget to ping me to it?

When did they give their consent? That’s something that the people who depose them should ask.

[cousteausghost]

No - I was replying to Holden about why I questioned the logical extension of your theories. I know YOU don’t know any answers because everything you write is circumstantial conjecture - I was asking Holden why replying to your questions was considered without the scope of FR rules. As far as I am aware when someone asks a question, you are entitled to answer as long as you are on topic and not offensive. I am also confused by holden’s reference to my politics - since I am non-political and have made no political comment here or anywhere else for that matter, I find that curious and rather paranoid.

But since you have answered - you hypothesise that around 400 people are involved in this cover-up by the time you include the funeral - surely you know when and how even one of them was approached by the regime and bribed to keep quiet - and if not, where is your evidence any of them were. Are you willing to admit you have none and it is all guesswork? Or ae you the only one permitted to ask questions.

Incidentally, what DID you see?

[butterdezillion]

I’m trying to find out if Hawaii requires autopsies to be videotaped. Not having much luck with that, but I did find at http://openjurist.org/800/f2d/1463/kealohapauole-v-shimoda that an autopsy was videotaped in a case where the body was partially-decayed and the subject of a murder investigation. So it’s reasonable to think that autopsies are videotaped at least when there is suspected murder.

It’s important to remember that the NTSB was required to treat the crash site as a crime scene because there was a death involved, and they were responsible to see to it that an autopsy was conducted. I would presume that would include the autopsy being conducted in accord with protocols for a criminal investigation. Which would involve a videotape of the autopsy.

What diagnostic tests did the medical examiner do? Are samples retained, photographs taken, and videotape of the autopsy under seal currently?

Is the body available for re-examination if a murder trial commences?

These are questions that the Maui County Police Chief should be asked.

[butterdezillion]

You butcher everything that is said. I have clearly said that nobody at the funeral had to know a thing. It was kitv that photoshopped the funeral clips.

Your politics is clear by the epistemology you reveal in every comment you make. There’s a certain smell that you fogbowers carry with you wherever you go; you don’t smell it but everybody else does.

Responding to comments is not forbidden here, and I don’t believe Holden said anything about your posting being against the rules. What he said, IIRC, was that your input always seems intent on maligning me. And I would say that is correct, since the actual CONTENT you post has been addressed many times by me and others (for instance, a simpler plan of handling Fuddy would be too obvious as foul play). And he suggested that maybe DU would be more your speed.

I responded to your post because you asked a good question. And I asked whether you had posted to me without pinging me because your post suggested that this last question was one you were asking me about, and I had never seen it.

[butterdezillion]

Looking at some HI statutes, starting at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0841/HRS_0841-0003.htm :

§841-3 Duties. As soon as any coroner or deputy coroner has notice of the death of any person within the coroner’s or deputy coroner’s jurisdiction as the result of violence, or as the result of any accident, or by suicide, or suddenly when in apparent health, or when unattended by a physician, or in prison, or in a suspicious or unusual manner, or within twenty-four hours after admission to a hospital or institution, the coroner or deputy coroner shall forthwith inquire into and make a complete investigation of the cause of the death.

Any person who becomes aware of the death of any person under any of the circumstances set forth above shall immediately notify the coroner or deputy coroner of the known facts concerning the time, place, manner, and circumstances of the death.

Any person who fails to report the death of a person under circumstances covered herein shall be subject to a fine of not more than $100. [L 1935, c 90, §3; RL 1945, §10903; am L 1949, c 355, §1; RL 1955, §260-3; HRS §715-3; ren L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; am L 1977, c 153, §1; gen ch 1985]

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§841-4 Testimony under oath reduced to writing. The testimony of all witnesses examined by any coroner or deputy coroner pertaining to the death of any person wherein a coroner’s investigation is required, shall be taken under oath, reduced to writing by the coroner, or deputy coroner or by some other person by the coroner’s or deputy coroner’s direction, and subscribed to by witnesses. [L 1935, c 90, §4; RL 1945, §10904; RL 1955, §260-4; HRS §715-4; ren L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; gen ch 1985]
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§841-5 Form of oath. The coroner or deputy coroner may administer an oath to the witnesses as follows:

“You solemnly swear that the evidence you shall give to this inquest concerning the death of the person (giving the name of the person dead if possible) which is now under investigation, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth: SO HELP YOU GOD.” [L 1935, c 90, §5; RL 1945, §10905; RL 1955, §260-5; HRS §715-5; ren L 1972, c 9, pt of §1]
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§841-6 Subpoenas; penalty for failure to comply. The coroner or any deputy coroner may issue subpoenas for the attendance of any witnesses that the coroner or any deputy coroner may deem necessary to interrogate in the death then under investigation, returnable forthwith or at such place and time as the coroner or any deputy coroner shall therein direct.

Any person who fails to comply with the requirements of such a subpoena upon conviction before any district court having jurisdiction in the matter, shall be fined not more than $25. [L 1935, c 90, §6; RL 1945, §10906; RL 1955, §260-6; HRS §715-6; ren L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; gen ch 1985]
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I’ll stop there for now. It’s no wonder they had Michelle Obama, Eric Holder’s wife, and Valerie Jarrett there while the acting coroner was trying to figure out a cause of death... In requesting the autopsy report, all those depositions, in writing, should be included with the autopsy report. The autopsy makes much of her emotional state in the water. I’d like to see the sworn statements of the witnesses on which that assessment was based...

[butterdezillion]

Going on. 841-7 “The local agent of the department of health shall be notified in writing of the reason for the delay, if the cause of death cannot be determined within three days.”

I guess we need to request that document...

841-8 “(a) Every coroner, or deputy coroner, shall, without delay, forward to the county attorney in the case of coroners for the counties of Maui and Kauai, and the prosecuting attorney in the case of coroners for the city and county of Honolulu and the county of Hawaii, a true and correct copy of the inquisition. “

Wasn’t that the guy in Maui County who was in a fiery plane crash not too long ago, and managed to get a couple of his co-workers pulled out of the fire but suffered serious burns himself?

841-9: “Upon the application by other than governmental agencies for a certified copy of any coroner’s report and inquest, the coroner or deputy coroner shall collect the sum of $2 as a governmental realization for the preparation and issuance of the same. “

That doesn’t discriminate between who can and can’t receive a certified copy of a coroner’s report.

841-14.5: “An autopsy of a deceased person under this chapter shall be performed by an anatomic or forensic pathologist certified as such by the American Board of Pathology”

I wonder what the standards are for certified pathologists...

[cousteausghost]

Then if Fuddy is still alive you are left with explaining why hundreds of mourners saw her in her open casket funeral. If they weren’t in on it as you say- why didn’t they mention she wasn’t in her casket?

[butterdezillion]

Show me where anybody specifically stated that they saw her in the casket.

How often do you publicly second-guess the funeral arrangements of somebody close enough that you would attend their funeral, who you know is a member of a cult? Seems to me that your cohorts are accusing me of being a terrible, immoral person for raising any questions about it at all when I’m a stranger; what would you say to those who were her FRIENDS and questioned the arrangements?

I didn’t even check into the funeral arrangements for a long time because it would be pretty simple to have a wax double, since the bodies in a casket hardly ever really look like the person when they were alive. I assumed if there was no body that is what they would do, if they didn’t want to claim that a cremation had been done.

And I believe I’ve already answered these questions several times before, maybe even directly to you.

[butterdezillion]

Jim, cousteausghost has asked me what I see in the video. Am I OK to tell him?

[cousteausghost]

So those photos of the mourners filing past her open casket were what exactly? Her closest family, friends and colleagues couldn’t distinguish between her dead body and a waxwork? Seriously? Nobody touched her and thought it strange that she felt like wax? Or none of the hundreds at the funeral saw it on the news and thought to say it was all photoshopped? Are you beginning to understand why most normal people find your theories foolish and naive?

[butterdezillion]

§841-14 Autopsies and further investigations. If, in the opinion of the coroner, or of the coroner’s physician, or of the prosecuting attorney, or of the chief of police (in the city and county of Honolulu), an autopsy of the remains of any human body appearing to have come to death under any of the circumstances set forth in section 841-3 is necessary in the interest of the public safety or welfare, that person shall cause to have performed, such an autopsy. If, in the opinion of the coroner’s physician, a further or additional investigation as to the cause of death is necessary, the coroner’s physician may conduct the same or have the same made, and the expenses thereof shall be paid by the county concerned, and for this purpose, the coroner’s physician shall have the duties and powers conferred upon the coroner or deputy coroner by sections 841-4 to 841-8.
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An “autopsy” apparently doesn’t have to include a forensic examination of the body. But if the coroner’s physician needs to do a forensic examination of the body in order to determine the cause of death, that examination is to be done.

Which makes the autopsy report especially suspicious. Is there anything in that report that even indicates that a forensic examination of a/the body was done?

[butterdezillion]

§841-14 Autopsies and further investigations. If, in the opinion of the coroner, or of the coroner’s physician, or of the prosecuting attorney, or of the chief of police (in the city and county of Honolulu), an autopsy of the remains of any human body appearing to have come to death under any of the circumstances set forth in section 841-3 is necessary in the interest of the public safety or welfare, that person shall cause to have performed, such an autopsy. If, in the opinion of the coroner’s physician, a further or additional investigation as to the cause of death is necessary, the coroner’s physician may conduct the same or have the same made, and the expenses thereof shall be paid by the county concerned, and for this purpose, the coroner’s physician shall have the duties and powers conferred upon the coroner or deputy coroner by sections 841-4 to 841-8.
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An “autopsy” apparently doesn’t have to include a forensic examination of the body. But if the coroner’s physician needs to do a forensic examination of the body in order to determine the cause of death, that examination is to be done.

Which makes the autopsy report especially suspicious. Is there anything in that report that even indicates that a forensic examination of a/the body was done?

[cousteausghost]

To: cousteausghost

Show me where anybody specifically stated that they saw her in the casket.

633 posted on 07 April 2014 14:24:05 by butterdezillion

On your own blog in February you posted a photo(screenshot from a video I think) of a long queue of mourners filing past her open casket and looking in intently. Are you claiming the mourners did not file past her casket?

[cousteausghost]

Here you go: http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/02/

See photo captioned “Hundreds bid fond farewell to Fuddy at funeral” (or something similar)on your own blog.

[butterdezillion]

Seems like the word “autopsy” is used to refer to the forensic examination of the body. The coroner’s inquest into the cause of death may or may not include a forensic examination of the body.

The statute doesn’t say what the forensic examination includes - except that it must be done by a certified anatomic or forensic pathologist. The statutes provide for costs for lab work on organs and tissues but nowhere says that an autopsy has to include those things. So we really don’t know whether that stuff was done. The way we would know is by having the lab results cited but the AP report on the autopsy doesn’t cite any lab work. Just external, psychological stuff that could be claimed to rely on witness statements.

841-18: “§841-18 Coroner’s physician; laboratory facilities. The medical examiner or any of the medical examiner’s assistants in the city and county of Honolulu, and any experienced or qualified government physician designated by the coroner in the counties of Hawaii, Maui, and Kauai, shall be the coroner’s physician for such county or city and county. The facilities of the laboratories of the state department of health shall be made available to the coroner’s physician. The term government physician as used in this chapter means a physician employed by the State or any of its political subdivisions. [L 1949, c 355, pt of §5; RL 1955, §260-18; am L 1962, c 8, §2; HRS §715-18; ren L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; gen ch 1985]”
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IOW, the HDOH does the lab testing. Convenient.

It was interesting in the USCG report: it was a female doctor from the HDOH who contacted USCG asking the status of Fuddy and Yamamoto, at 5:15pm, which was 2 minutes before the MCFD said that the USCG reported one in critical condition. That wouldn’t be somebody at the Vital Records Dept; that would be somebody else. I wonder what department at the HDOH has doctors. Maybe the lab? Who else?