Skip to comments.Black Death skeletons unearthed by Crossrail project
Posted on 03/31/2014 11:43:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin
Records say thousands of Londoners perished and their corpses were dumped in a mass grave outside the City, but its exact location was a mystery.
Archaeologists now believe it is under Charterhouse Square near the Barbican.
They plan to expand their search for victims across the square - guided by underground radar scans, which have picked up signs of many more graves.
Crossrail's lead archaeologist Jay Carver says the find "solves a 660-year-old mystery".
"This discovery is a hugely important step forward in documenting and understanding Europe's most devastating pandemic," he said
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they might wish to be careful digging through a Black Death cemetery! just sayin..
Sounds like a really good way to re-start a pandemic.
But I’m not dead yet....
Are we going to have another “Black Plaque” from off the bones?
Not if we floss properly.
Bubonic plague from time to time shows up in New Mexico.
It’s speculated that it is spread by rats that eat pinion pine nuts and urinate on them. Humans pick up the nuts and eat them.
Not sure this is the actual vector, but the plague still exists in the real world. Different strain? Not sure.
Have you ever heard of the bubonic plague,Manuel? It was very popular around here at one time.
“Not sure this is the actual vector”
A couple of years ago a hunter got it from the vermin infesting a rabbit he shot. I have also heard of plague in prairie dog towns.
I would *really* like to visit the Church of Saint Bartholomew the Great.
A black plaque might form on your teeth if you don’t brush and floss regularly but it won’t come from Y. Pestis.
The transmission vector is insect/animal and from contact with active buboes and body fluids of an infected person.
Dry bones centuries old, no. It is possible to extract Y. Pestis DNA from bones of medieval plague victims but not the bacterium itself.
I believe the medical scientists say now that the plague is mostly transmitted by fleas (from the rats we always heard about).
Either way, these researchers are well advised to please be careful digging in a Black Death cemetery (not that it hasn’t been done before without spreading the disease, it has....but STILL......fleas are very tiny and hard to see and prevent from spreading...)
With the rabbit it was probably still from fleas on the animal. Contact with rabbit blood from a rabbit infected with tularemia can be a big problem. Tularemia can cause blisters and boils along with a pneumonic form and issues with the lymph nodes which are somewhat similar to the diagnostic points for plague.
The plague carrying fleas that infected these medieval victims were already dead about the time the bodies were thrown on the cart for disposal. Fleas do not survive being buried in the ground for hundreds of years any more than the bacterium.
The article states, “Traces of plague bacterium found in some of the teeth”. I guess such a little trace that it wouldn’t bother someone?
“With the rabbit it was probably still from fleas on the animal.”
That sounds right. Darn vermin. Or to go full-bore western, dern varmints.
“Tularemia can cause blisters and boils along with a pneumonic form and issues with the lymph nodes which are somewhat similar to the diagnostic points for plague.”
Yeh next thing you know they will be cloning it. Egad!
OK good! thanks
Most people forget that we are all Black Plague survivors.
Maybe the original name was Charnelhouse Square
It is possible to extract Y. Pestis DNA from bones of medieval plague victims but not the bacterium itself.
That is reassuring. Thanks for the info.
There was a small plague outbreak in San Francisco's Chinatown district. An alert doctor spotted the outbreak almost immediately, and appealed to the city council to institute a quarantine and rat catching program.
The town fathers refused to believe there was plague in their fair city.
They screwed around long enough for it to infect the local ground squirrel population where there was no hope stopping it from spreading. Thanks to their inaction, one can be exposed to plague anywhere in the western US.
Any parallels one wishes to draw with a more recent "gay plague" are left to the reader as an exercise.
Those who do not learn the lessons of the past...
Nope, fragments of Y. Pestis DNA that are identifiable to the specific bacterium but DNA strands like this are not an infectious agent.
That is pretty much true of most of today’s populations. There was a Documentary show on a study done in England as to why a certain village survived one of the plagues. It was found that a certain DNA marker for resistance was passed to the decendents of survivors of the first great plague and they mostly survived and passed that DNA to their decendents up to today.
“Those who do not learn the lessons of the past... “
Well, not us personally, but many of our ancestors skated through. :’)
The pneumonic version of the plague is very contagious and kills faster, while the much more common flea-bite kind is pretty hit and miss.
Once infected, most people will die in about three days, or “72 hours and out” as it was once described to me. The estimated drop in the European population during the series of plague outbreaks during the Middle Ages and on into the Renaissance is in the ballpark of one third to one half, and worldwide it was in that same area, up to half the human population just up and died.
:’) There were four others, this one was Charnel No.5.
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