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Black Death skeletons unearthed by Crossrail project
BBC ^ | 29 March 2014 Last updated at 20:00 ET | James Morgan

Posted on 03/31/2014 11:43:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Records say thousands of Londoners perished and their corpses were dumped in a mass grave outside the City, but its exact location was a mystery.

Archaeologists now believe it is under Charterhouse Square near the Barbican.

They plan to expand their search for victims across the square - guided by underground radar scans, which have picked up signs of many more graves.

Crossrail's lead archaeologist Jay Carver says the find "solves a 660-year-old mystery".

"This discovery is a hugely important step forward in documenting and understanding Europe's most devastating pandemic," he said

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; blackdeath; bubonicplague; godsgravesglyphs; yersiniapestis

1 posted on 03/31/2014 11:43:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: SunkenCiv

2 posted on 03/31/2014 11:44:35 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

they might wish to be careful digging through a Black Death cemetery! just sayin..


3 posted on 03/31/2014 11:44:54 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: BenLurkin

Sounds like a really good way to re-start a pandemic.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 11:46:26 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: BenLurkin

But I’m not dead yet....


5 posted on 03/31/2014 11:47:49 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: BenLurkin

Are we going to have another “Black Plaque” from off the bones?


6 posted on 03/31/2014 11:51:27 AM PDT by BillT (If you can not stand behind our military, you might as well stand in front of them!)
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To: BillT

Not if we floss properly.


7 posted on 03/31/2014 11:52:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BillT

Bubonic plague from time to time shows up in New Mexico.

It’s speculated that it is spread by rats that eat pinion pine nuts and urinate on them. Humans pick up the nuts and eat them.

Not sure this is the actual vector, but the plague still exists in the real world. Different strain? Not sure.


8 posted on 03/31/2014 11:55:52 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: BenLurkin

Have you ever heard of the bubonic plague,Manuel? It was very popular around here at one time.

9 posted on 03/31/2014 11:56:33 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: BenLurkin

*snicker*


10 posted on 03/31/2014 11:57:18 AM PDT by Constitution Day (;^)
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To: BenLurkin
Charterhouse Square near the Barbican

11 posted on 03/31/2014 12:01:41 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Not sure this is the actual vector”

A couple of years ago a hunter got it from the vermin infesting a rabbit he shot. I have also heard of plague in prairie dog towns.


12 posted on 03/31/2014 12:02:09 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I would *really* like to visit the Church of Saint Bartholomew the Great.


13 posted on 03/31/2014 12:06:05 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: BenLurkin

14 posted on 03/31/2014 12:11:58 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: BillT

A black plaque might form on your teeth if you don’t brush and floss regularly but it won’t come from Y. Pestis.

The transmission vector is insect/animal and from contact with active buboes and body fluids of an infected person.

Dry bones centuries old, no. It is possible to extract Y. Pestis DNA from bones of medieval plague victims but not the bacterium itself.


15 posted on 03/31/2014 12:13:41 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: BillT

I believe the medical scientists say now that the plague is mostly transmitted by fleas (from the rats we always heard about).
Either way, these researchers are well advised to please be careful digging in a Black Death cemetery (not that it hasn’t been done before without spreading the disease, it has....but STILL......fleas are very tiny and hard to see and prevent from spreading...)


16 posted on 03/31/2014 12:16:15 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: dsc

With the rabbit it was probably still from fleas on the animal. Contact with rabbit blood from a rabbit infected with tularemia can be a big problem. Tularemia can cause blisters and boils along with a pneumonic form and issues with the lymph nodes which are somewhat similar to the diagnostic points for plague.


17 posted on 03/31/2014 12:19:48 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: faithhopecharity

The plague carrying fleas that infected these medieval victims were already dead about the time the bodies were thrown on the cart for disposal. Fleas do not survive being buried in the ground for hundreds of years any more than the bacterium.


18 posted on 03/31/2014 12:22:57 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: BenLurkin; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks BenLurkin.

19 posted on 03/31/2014 12:23:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: RJS1950

The article states, “Traces of plague bacterium found in some of the teeth”. I guess such a little trace that it wouldn’t bother someone?


20 posted on 03/31/2014 12:35:21 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: RJS1950

“With the rabbit it was probably still from fleas on the animal.”

That sounds right. Darn vermin. Or to go full-bore western, dern varmints.

“Tularemia can cause blisters and boils along with a pneumonic form and issues with the lymph nodes which are somewhat similar to the diagnostic points for plague.”

Great googly-moogly!


21 posted on 03/31/2014 12:42:13 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Yeh next thing you know they will be cloning it. Egad!


22 posted on 03/31/2014 12:58:27 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RJS1950

OK good! thanks


23 posted on 03/31/2014 1:01:58 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: SunkenCiv

Most people forget that we are all Black Plague survivors.


24 posted on 03/31/2014 1:11:33 PM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: BenLurkin; SunkenCiv

Maybe the original name was Charnelhouse Square


25 posted on 03/31/2014 1:34:44 PM PDT by wildbill (Bed)
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To: SpinnerWebb

ROTF!!!


26 posted on 03/31/2014 1:36:24 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: RJS1950

It is possible to extract Y. Pestis DNA from bones of medieval plague victims but not the bacterium itself.

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That is reassuring. Thanks for the info.


27 posted on 03/31/2014 2:10:48 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: dsc
Yep. Plague first came to the United States in the 1850's. The rail companies were importing Chinese Coolies to work on the transcontinental railway.

There was a small plague outbreak in San Francisco's Chinatown district. An alert doctor spotted the outbreak almost immediately, and appealed to the city council to institute a quarantine and rat catching program.

The town fathers refused to believe there was plague in their fair city.

They screwed around long enough for it to infect the local ground squirrel population where there was no hope stopping it from spreading. Thanks to their inaction, one can be exposed to plague anywhere in the western US.

Any parallels one wishes to draw with a more recent "gay plague" are left to the reader as an exercise.

Those who do not learn the lessons of the past...

28 posted on 03/31/2014 2:14:27 PM PDT by null and void ( Everything evil in the world may not be Islamic but everything Islamic is evil.)
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To: momtothree

Nope, fragments of Y. Pestis DNA that are identifiable to the specific bacterium but DNA strands like this are not an infectious agent.


29 posted on 03/31/2014 2:55:05 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Little Bill

That is pretty much true of most of today’s populations. There was a Documentary show on a study done in England as to why a certain village survived one of the plagues. It was found that a certain DNA marker for resistance was passed to the decendents of survivors of the first great plague and they mostly survived and passed that DNA to their decendents up to today.


30 posted on 03/31/2014 2:57:58 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: null and void

“Those who do not learn the lessons of the past... “

Jesus wept.


31 posted on 03/31/2014 3:03:39 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Little Bill

Well, not us personally, but many of our ancestors skated through. :’)

The pneumonic version of the plague is very contagious and kills faster, while the much more common flea-bite kind is pretty hit and miss.

Once infected, most people will die in about three days, or “72 hours and out” as it was once described to me. The estimated drop in the European population during the series of plague outbreaks during the Middle Ages and on into the Renaissance is in the ballpark of one third to one half, and worldwide it was in that same area, up to half the human population just up and died.


32 posted on 04/01/2014 2:09:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: wildbill

:’) There were four others, this one was Charnel No.5.


33 posted on 04/01/2014 2:10:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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Teeth help scientists unearth secrets of Black Death
http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/teeth-help-scientists-unearth-secrets-of-black-death-263706.html


34 posted on 04/01/2014 2:15:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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