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(Freeper) Master Sergeant Christopher Grisham found guilty in right to carry trial
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Posted on 03/31/2014 12:40:49 PM PDT by Altariel

BREAKING: Master Sergeant Christopher Grisham has been found guilty of interfering with police duties, a class B misdemeanor. Grisham could face a possible $2,000 fine and up to 180 days in jail for the offense.

The retrial of Fort Hood soldier C.J. Grisham began Monday after a jury was unable to come to a verdict in the case last month.

Monday, the jury heard two witnesses testify including the Temple police officer who arrested Grisham as well as the woman who made the call to police.

Temple police officer Steve Ermis took the stand to give his account of what he said happened last March when he stopped Grisham and his son after a concerned citizen called police about a man carrying a large black gun on the wrong side of the road.

Ermis testified that he believed Grisham did interfere with police duties when he tried to disarm him of an AR-15 rifle he was carrying while out on a hike with his son for a Boy Scout project.  During testimony, the jury in the case also got to see firsthand what actually happened through police dash cam video taken of the incident.

In the video, Ermis is seen approaching Grisham and his son asking the two what they were doing and grabbing the gun off Grisham's chest. Ermis is then heard asking Grisham why he had the gun to which Grisham replied "because I can."

When Ermis tries to disarm Grisham, he reacts by reaching up at the gun while Ermis draws his own pistol and points it at Grisham's head out of what he said was fear for his own safety.

Grisham can then be heard yelling that Ermis can't take his weapon and that he has a concealed carry license and is legally able to have the gun.  Ermis then proceeds to take the weapon and gives it to a fellow officer while Grisham is handcuffed and held face down on the hood of the police car.

The video ends with Grisham being detained and the second officer telling Grisham he is being taken into custody for resisting arrest.

That charge was ultimately changed to the current charge of interfering with police duties, and Grisham could face a possible $2,000 fine and up to 180 days in jail for the offense.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; abuseofpower; banglist; freeper; grisham; opencarry; texas
A real shame, Mr. Grisham, a real shame.
1 posted on 03/31/2014 12:40:49 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Old News. From last year.


2 posted on 03/31/2014 12:43:06 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Altariel

It’s only a matter of time before people start shooting back at these bastards.

Oh well.


3 posted on 03/31/2014 12:43:12 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Altariel

“Resisting” and other such crap charges should be automatically dropped, when the underlying charge is found to be baseless.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 12:43:52 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Altariel

11/18/13


5 posted on 03/31/2014 12:45:12 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!!!)
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To: Altariel

If MSG Grisham had been an illegal alien doing the same thing, little Stevie the Cop would have went back to eating donuts and everything would have been fine. Unfortunately, in Barry’s “fundamentally transformed” Amerika, whitey is gonna pay!


6 posted on 03/31/2014 12:46:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Happy Brain Injury Awareness Month!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

He was taking his son on a hike for a Boy Scout project. Clearly suspicious and criminal behavior.


7 posted on 03/31/2014 12:50:52 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: SampleMan

I think resisting is a catch all charge no matter what you do. Maybe throwing yourself prostrate on the ground might satisfy them but even then you might be accused of evading arrest because the cop has to bend over to cuff you.


8 posted on 03/31/2014 12:51:07 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Altariel

That DOES seem a serious miscarriage of justice. WHERE do they get these weak JURIES??


9 posted on 03/31/2014 12:51:41 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: SampleMan

Ever notice that hoplophobia strikes selectively?


10 posted on 03/31/2014 12:53:26 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

He was taking his son on a hike for a Boy Scout project. Clearly suspicious and criminal behavior.

________________________________________

And doesn’t everybody strap on bandoliers and an AR 15 when they go for said Boy Scout Hike? And don’t forget your video camera.


11 posted on 03/31/2014 12:55:17 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Altariel

A real shame, Mr. Grisham, a real shame.


Right, it is a wonder more police officers are not shot before they can start their bulling and i am afraid it will come to that and of course the good ones will also be in danger.


12 posted on 03/31/2014 12:55:36 PM PDT by ravenwolf (hat many years.ost void of pend us)
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To: Altariel

a guy with his gun slung gets a pistol pointed at him for not giving it to an officer?????

I HOPE THIS GETS APPEALED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


13 posted on 03/31/2014 12:55:37 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: Altariel
Ermis is seen approaching Grisham and his son asking the two what they were doing and grabbing the gun off Grisham's chest.

The charge was ultimately changed to the current charge

I don't know the specific details here but it seems as though the officer was in the wrong. He asked why Grisham was carrying the weapon, he responded, 'because I can' , which should have indicated he was legally carrying. The officer could have then inquired along that line but instead chose to grab the weapon. I'm guessing that's why the charge was changed,

If my assumptions are correct, how can Grisham be charged when the policeman was the aggressor?

14 posted on 03/31/2014 12:56:45 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: liberalh8ter
"If my assumptions are correct, how can Grisham be charged when the policeman was the aggressor?"

It does seem like Grisham should be able to counter sue for a civil rights violation for illegal seizure since the officer grabbed the gun off of his chest.

15 posted on 03/31/2014 1:02:28 PM PDT by DannyTN ( .)
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To: liberalh8ter
"If my assumptions are correct, how can Grisham be charged when the policeman was the aggressor?"

It does seem like Grisham should be able to counter sue for a civil rights violation for illegal seizure since the officer grabbed the gun off of his chest.

16 posted on 03/31/2014 1:02:28 PM PDT by DannyTN ( .)
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To: Altariel

Cop was needlessly aggressive, out of control.


17 posted on 03/31/2014 1:04:43 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Altariel

I would love to see the dashcam video. Did the cop request the weapon or did he simply grab at a loaded rifle like a two year old throwing a tantrum. Texas cops are legally allowed to disarm you while they assess a situation so if he asked for the rifle and was refused that is interfereing. If the cop just grabbed for the gun and ilicited an involuntary response I fail to see how this guy was convicted.


18 posted on 03/31/2014 1:07:10 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Altariel

All of these cases in Michigan have slammed the police and local governments. Thank God for the founders of the state of Michigan and the wonderful constitution they gave us.


19 posted on 03/31/2014 1:10:15 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Just watched the dashcam. Porky pig never requested he relenquish his weapon and went batshit becuase the guy touched the buttstock while the “officer” was grabbing at him. What a pathetic jury to convict on anything.


20 posted on 03/31/2014 1:10:52 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: RightOnTheBorder

” Texas cops are legally allowed to disarm you while they assess a situation”

According to what part of the Second Amendment?

Oh, right, I keep forgetting that The State may ignore the Constitution when it best serves her interests.....

Which Texas governor signed that gem into “law”?


21 posted on 03/31/2014 1:12:41 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: DannyTN
It sure seems as though he was ‘profiled’ by the officer, doesn't it? If so, he's being made an example of. **sigh**
22 posted on 03/31/2014 1:14:21 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: RightOnTheBorder
Just watched the dashcam. Porky pig never requested he relenquish his weapon and went batshit becuase the guy touched the buttstock while the “officer” was grabbing at him. What a pathetic jury to convict on anything.

Agreed.

23 posted on 03/31/2014 1:18:48 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: ravenwolf

If the 'good' ones don't get a pronto handle on the lunatics/thugs in their midst, it'll likely end up as a distinction w/o difference.

24 posted on 03/31/2014 1:26:35 PM PDT by tomkat (can hear the whirlwind comin')
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To: Altariel

I live close to Fort Hood and there are lots of soldiers coming home from war. I think that the Police are more cautious in places like that. Just saying.


25 posted on 03/31/2014 1:29:41 PM PDT by NativeTxn
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To: Altariel

Resisting an unjust arrest is still a crime?


26 posted on 03/31/2014 1:29:59 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Altariel

Since when has violation of the second amendment by police been an official “police duty”?


27 posted on 03/31/2014 1:34:56 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Bandoliers?

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28 posted on 03/31/2014 1:40:41 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: NativeTxn

Killeen, unfortunately like too many towns around military bases, isn’t the best of places to begin with. Lots of gang activity.

Temple, however, is a bit further away. Army folks aren’t unheard of there, but they weren’t as common as coppers cove, Harker heights, and Killeen.

At least that was my experiences with Killeen/Ft hood and the surrounding areas in the 90s.


29 posted on 03/31/2014 1:43:30 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Altariel
Assuming that state and/or federal law required the MSGT to *temporarily* surrender,peacefully surrender,his weapon to the cop (I don't know if that's the case or not) then he should have done so.In fact,even if the law *didn't* require him to do so he should have surrendered it and then sued for damages.And if,by chance,the cop was legally justified to demand the weapon in that situation then efforts surely should be made to change that law.

If we can't trust officers or senior enlisted men in our Armed Forces to carry weapons then who *can* we trust?

30 posted on 03/31/2014 1:44:19 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Altariel
Old News. From last year.

...and the spark that would have led to a new revolution died from lack of interest.

Hey, it's understandable considering the house mortgage, the payments on the new truck and boat and the kids with their soccer games on the weekend.

Truth be told, there ain't gonna be no revolution........

31 posted on 03/31/2014 1:50:20 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: chcknhawk

Best wishes.


32 posted on 03/31/2014 1:57:48 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

I was thinking this was Arizona at first, and remembered from living there many, many years ago it was open carry. My landlord carried a revolver on his hip at all times and at first it made me a little nervous because I’d only been around long guns, deer hunting stuff. Once I found out he was a veteran and he was a swell guy I didn’t worry about it again.

It is (was?) one of the really civilized aspects of living in Arizona.


33 posted on 03/31/2014 2:01:56 PM PDT by CH3CN
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To: Altariel
Just watched the video on youtube...about 15 minutes long.It looks like the police were basically trying to cover themselves to prevent disciplinary action being taken against them and/or to possibly avoid some kind of civil lawsuit.
34 posted on 03/31/2014 2:04:27 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: unixfox

I humbly suggest getting all sides of the story to find out who this guy (Grisham) is.

IMHO he is not one we want to champion our side.

As demonstrated and proved, he is wacko and guilty of Stolen Valor: https://www.michaelyon-online.com/stalking-soldier-arrested-disarmed-by-texas-police-some-facts-opinion-and-analysis.htm

The following from https://www.facebook.com/MichaelYonFanPage/posts/158735464175074

Michael Yon John — there is particular soldier who is a common denominator in the Soldiers’ Angels attacks, and the three soldiers I had problems with this time in Afghanistan. One soldier is in the middle of this, and he is one of those three. The other two were part of his “blocked by Michael Yon” facebook page. They would come on FB and curse at people and act like children, get blocked and brag about it. US Soldiers did such things, including one Captain Chris Carbone. Officer. US Army. Civil Affairs guy. Think he was winning battles in Afghanistan?

4-4 Cav was getting great press until Chris Carbone and the other two soldiers decided that good press is not what 4-4 Cav needed. Keeping in mind that none of these soldiers where in 4-4 Cav. Two were Civil Affairs, one was intelligence. (How smart is that?) They didn’t mind destroying the good press that 4-4 earned and deserved.

The problem soldier is wrapped tight with Blackfive (Matt Burden, Godfather of Blackfive, is a boardmember at SA), Mudville Gazette, and the rest of that small clan who really could care less about the troops downrange. If they cared, they would have left me alone to tell Soldier stories.

I was doing it every chance I got, but Soldiers’ Angels officers are a principal reason for my problems downrange. Wonder why I am not telling Soldiers’ stories? Ask the Mary Ann Phillips who wants unarmed Dustoffs to wear Red Crosses into hot LZs. What does Mary Ann know about gunfire? Phillips, an SA “leader”, fully supports sending unarmed people into combat. Don’t lie about it Mary Ann...I’ve got your email traffic. Make my day.

(Those extra casualties could help the SA bank account and fund more fun trips to concerts and golf tournamets.)

They’ve been attacking since 2010 when I said Menard and McChrystal should be fired. (They then were fired.) That’s where it started. I asked Patti about this yesterday but instead of taking time to answer (after she reached out initially), she went soap-opera with it and dragged her organization right there it belongs; into the spotlight.

If they were reputable leaders of a volunteer organization, they would not spend so much Soldiers’ Angels resources attacking a lone American writer. They got the attention they wanted. Now what?

That’s all. Cheers.


35 posted on 03/31/2014 2:21:03 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Also in the interest of full disclosure:

Veteran Disarmed

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3004605/posts

Trial Of Soldier (FREEPER) Chris Grisham, Who Carried AR-15 Rifle On Public Street, Goes To Jury

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3080237/posts


36 posted on 03/31/2014 2:55:22 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: saganite

“I think resisting is a catch all charge no matter what you do.”

Of course it is. The videos of the police pounding the crap out of someone while screaming ‘stop resisting, stop resisting’ are quite revealing.


37 posted on 03/31/2014 3:39:06 PM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Altariel

Still a nutter.


38 posted on 03/31/2014 3:39:46 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: tomkat

If the ‘good’ ones don’t get a pronto handle on the lunatics/thugs in their midst, it’ll likely end up as a distinction w/o difference.


I think so also, though it seems to be procedure more than an individual thing, either way i think it will just get worse.


39 posted on 03/31/2014 4:00:15 PM PDT by ravenwolf (hat many years.ost void of pend us)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Would’ve been sumpin if had occurred on 11/12/13...


40 posted on 03/31/2014 4:03:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

My recollection from the video was that the officer grabbed the weapon.

He made no demand.

T’ain’t right...


41 posted on 03/31/2014 4:04:45 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: dljordan

Without a charge of a real crime accompanying it (murder, rape, robbery, trespassing, etc.) “resisting an officer” typically means “The citizen didn’t commit any crime, but we needed to charge him with something to justify our salaries and save face.”


42 posted on 03/31/2014 4:35:50 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
after a concerned citizen called police about a man carrying a large black gun on the wrong side of the road.

Which side of the road is the correct one for carrying?!? We're all just a 50-50 chance away from arrest?!?

43 posted on 03/31/2014 4:37:30 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Mr. K; All

“I HOPE THIS GETS APPEALED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

I believe that Sgt. Grisham is appealing this decision. As I recall, one of the grounds for appeal is that the judge is said to have made prejudicial statements before the trial.


44 posted on 03/31/2014 4:52:37 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Altariel

they saw the police dash cam ? . Did they get to see Grisham’s video? He gave his camera to his kid and they have it video’d


45 posted on 03/31/2014 5:17:09 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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http://www.examiner.com/article/dashcam-video-reveals-police-interaction-with-grisham-son

It appears a Notice of Appeal was filed and Master Sergeant Grisham is suing one of the officers and the department.

****

Grisham, a well-known military blogger, captured a large portion of his arrest on cellphone video which was released shortly after the incident. It quickly went viral and has prompted much interest on the fronts of gun rights, police use of authority and government transparency/accountability issues.

Grisham describes the new video as follows:

I was finally able to get a copy of the complete dashcam footage that included the entire footage of my son’s ride home in a squad car. The important aspect of this video is the utter lack of respect and contempt that Temple Police Department officers have for members of the public that dare to stand up to their abuse of authority under color of law.

As you will hear in this video, I gave explicit instructions to my son that he need not answer any questions. At the time of this video he had just turned 15 almost two weeks prior. He didn’t fully understand his rights to remain silent as a minor. Texas law does not explicitly require or prevent officers from questioning minors in the presence of parents, but in a situation in which the minor is NOT accused of a crime, common sense and decency dictate that a parent be involved in any questioning!

Temple Police Department Sergeant Tom Menix wasted no time violating my instructions to my son by immediately trying to win his trust with menial conversation. Barely a minute passes from the time my patrol takes off and Menix begins questioning my son. I’m not talking about asking where he lives or even his first name – I understand that. However, any further conversation is extraneous and completely out of line.

(more at the link)


46 posted on 04/01/2014 7:21:34 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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