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Basic problem solving too hard for German kids
TheLocal.de ^ | 01 Apr 2014 16:10 GMT+02:00

Posted on 04/01/2014 1:00:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai

A fifth of Germany’s schoolchildren have problems with simple decision-making tasks, such as selecting the cheapest item from a page in a catalog, results from the global PISA test showed on Tuesday. […]

For Germany, the performance was not sparkling, with its children ranking behind those of Australia, Canada, Finland, England and most East Asian countries that took part. Germany only scored slightly higher than the average of the 44 countries that took part.

Almost 20 percent failed to reach the OECD’s baseline level. This meant that at best, these pupils could only solve very simple problems that required no forethought, such as selecting the cheapest item from a page of a catalog. …

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1 posted on 04/01/2014 1:00:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
50 years ago they would have led the world.

Look at immigration.

2 posted on 04/01/2014 1:02:11 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Olog-hai

Wonder what the population of Turks is in Germany.


4 posted on 04/01/2014 1:05:08 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: Olog-hai

American kids would have trouble finding the right page


5 posted on 04/01/2014 1:05:25 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Mariner

You wanted them to lead the world in 1964?


6 posted on 04/01/2014 1:08:11 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: DallasDeb

Nearly 20% of Germany’s population are foreign born or descendants of immigrants. That could put a big dent in their testing numbers.


7 posted on 04/01/2014 1:09:28 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: DallasDeb

Highest estimate is about 5 percent of total population.


8 posted on 04/01/2014 1:09:42 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Zey neet ein Leetter!


9 posted on 04/01/2014 1:09:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statemeCLunkes for clunkersnt of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Olog-hai

There are probably a lot of issues behind this problem, but I’d say modern education is mostly about liberal agendas. I’ve talked to kids who know everything about our slaving past, gender identity issues, global warming, building a sustainable energy policy, the importance of abortion, how evil America has been, but nothing about problem solving or math, or history. I spoke to a young man who had graduated in the top 5% of his high school and had never heard of JFK. He could name the presidents from Carter forward. He couldn’t name a world war 2 general or any major battles. It was really disturbing.


10 posted on 04/01/2014 1:10:36 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Olog-hai

Perhaps they need a strong leader to tell them what to do, how to dress, and whom to kill.

(Yeah, little bitter today. Sorry.)


11 posted on 04/01/2014 1:11:54 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Olog-hai

Ein bier bitte!!! Arbeit macht frei!! OObama ist ein idiot!


12 posted on 04/01/2014 1:13:12 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Republican has "I can" at the end. Democrat has "rat". Any questions?)
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To: Olog-hai
A fifth of Germany’s schoolchildren have problems with simple decision-making tasks, such as selecting the cheapest item from a page in a catalog

So they are not good shoppers?

13 posted on 04/01/2014 1:14:41 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Olog-hai

RE: “Almost 20 percent failed.”

I will guess that 20% of Germany’s population are:

(1) Low skill legal immigrants from former Communist nations in eastern Europe.

(2) Low skill legal immigrants from Islamic Turkey.

(3) Low skill legal immigrants from low wage western European neighbors.

Thank you “European Community!”


14 posted on 04/01/2014 1:15:04 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Gen.Blather

If not for me telling them my kids wouldn’t know who Reagan was until they went to private school.


15 posted on 04/01/2014 1:16:32 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Olog-hai
Forgive me, but this is the first comment:

The reason is simple: Germany is an occupied nation and has been since 1945. Germans have been systematically propagandized and dumbed-down by the Anglo-Zionist regime imposed on it by the Judeo-Soviet alliance after World War II. All the peoples of the "West" have been targetted by this inhuman, anti-Western regime which resides in the capital cities like Washington DC, Lodon, Paris, and yes, Berlin. Germans, you do NOT control your own destiny as long as the Anglo-Zionist political regime keeps its intellectual boot on the neck of the German people.
16 posted on 04/01/2014 1:19:33 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Olog-hai; DallasDeb
But what percentage of school aged children are foreign born?

In America I think that Caucasians still outnumber everyone else as a part of the entire population, but not as part of the school aged cohort.

17 posted on 04/01/2014 1:21:04 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Olog-hai
A fifth of Germany’s schoolchildren...

Are low-IQ Middle Eastern immigrants. The evidence that Western European-European American education can improve the circumstances of sub-85 IQ populations is nonexistent. They cannot reason abstractly, which makes high school for them just a giant, meaningless clusterf***. The boys get violent, the girls get pregnant.

The German data is just more evidence for what everyone should know.

18 posted on 04/01/2014 1:21:31 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: PGR88

That sounds more like a math problem to me.


19 posted on 04/01/2014 1:23:11 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: GeronL
American kids would have trouble finding the right page

It doesn't matter if they find the right page or not, as long as they explain what a page is and why they might need a catelog. (Common core, after all)

20 posted on 04/01/2014 1:25:27 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty

lol


21 posted on 04/01/2014 1:26:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: andyk

“Judeo-Soviet alliance after World War II”

Yeah,Stalin loved the Jews so much he killed more than Hitler.

And “Anglo-Zionist”? Really?! Maybe that poster should look up “King David Hotel” and the “Irgun” and how the Brits and Zionists played so well together in the late 1940s.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 1:27:25 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Olog-hai

What about the percentage of the under 18’s? What percentage of that demographic is foreign born or children of foreign born?


23 posted on 04/01/2014 1:32:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
I didn't research that far; however, 20% is 20% if it is the typical bell curve.

I heard recently that caucasians are now less than 50% of the US population. All the other groups combined are more than 50%.

24 posted on 04/01/2014 1:42:54 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: KosmicKitty
as long as they explain what a page is and why they might need a catelog

as long as they explain that a tree lost its life to produce a catelog

25 posted on 04/01/2014 1:44:54 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: DallasDeb

lol

not even close.

The US is 72.5% white currently (as of the 2010 census)

It always shocks me how badly people over estimate the minority population of the US.


26 posted on 04/01/2014 1:48:50 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Gen.Blather

I took my grandson to Washington DC a couple of years ago when he was visiting us from Idaho. The only building he recognized was the Lincoln Memorial and that only because it was the site of MLK’s I have a Dream speech. None of it meant anything to him. The only thing that mattered was that speech. I was flabergasted!


27 posted on 04/01/2014 1:49:13 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: andyk

Was the letter signer A. Schicklgruber?


28 posted on 04/01/2014 1:52:41 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: andyk
the Anglo-Zionist regime imposed on it by the Judeo-Soviet alliance...

Wow. Thanks for posting that. I'm trying to wrap my head around a Judeo-Soviet alliance first. When I manage it I'm going to try to figure out how they managed to impose an Anglo-Zionist regime. It's sort of like mental aerobics - lots of bouncing around but you don't actually travel anywhere.

29 posted on 04/01/2014 1:53:27 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: TexasFreeper2009

It may be a matter of breaking out what constitutes “white”. Hispanics are generally white, which is why you will see clarification on some forms (i.e., White not hispanic or White hispanic). 2010 was 3+ years ago and the hispanic community has continued to have more babies than whites.


30 posted on 04/01/2014 1:54:02 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Maybe it was a projection that was stated improperly on the radio.


31 posted on 04/01/2014 1:56:00 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: Olog-hai; All
... from a page in a catalog, ...

Are the catalogs that they are talking about the old-fashioned paper catalogs? If so, given that the kids use smart phones these days, they may have been confused if this was also their first exposure to such catalogs.

32 posted on 04/01/2014 1:58:39 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: TexasFreeper2009

In 2012, 49.9 percent of the under-age-5 group were minorities. That probably has gone over 50 by now.


33 posted on 04/01/2014 2:03:00 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: DallasDeb

Exactly, most Hispanics are white, because “Hispanic” is not a race, it’s more of a cultural identifier.

The percentage of blacks in the US has hardly changed over the last 120 years.

The percentage of Asians however is shooting through the roof, and for some unknown reason no one is talking about it. Asians are now up to 5% of the population from nearly zero not that long ago.


34 posted on 04/01/2014 2:03:16 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: DallasDeb

you have to be carefull when you hear information about school age children, because they only count those enrolled in public schools.


36 posted on 04/01/2014 2:12:05 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Gen.Blather

I had a “conversation” with a 15 year old high school student (boy) who went into a full rant in how evil Columbus was and the Founding Fathers-—what racists and slave owners all the early Americans were. It was ALL emotion-based. No Reason, no ability to talk about ideology of John Locke or Adam Smith or compare the slavery of native Americans, or other cultures to the colonies. All extreme extortion with no context.

It is really sick what the public schools are doing to the minds of our children. They are removing the ability to use Reason by conditioning and brainwashing. They fill their heads up with Lies and misinformation. It is really evil.


37 posted on 04/01/2014 2:16:56 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

It is actually quite easy to determine the racial breakdown of the US

knowing just a few key pieces of information.

72% self identify as white
13% self identify as black (this hasn’t changed much is 120 years)
5% self identify as Asian

add those three numbers up and you get 90% accounted for

that means everyone else, Mexicans, native americans, and mixed raced people of any combination make up the remaining 10%.

which means none-white or mixed race people are currently 28% of the US population.


38 posted on 04/01/2014 2:17:47 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: savagesusie

Otto Von Bismarck (inventor of Kindergarten) Give me a child for his first seven years and I will make of him the perfect tool for the state.


39 posted on 04/01/2014 2:29:27 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: andyk
Hey, I've got the Anglo (one side of my family) and the Soviet (okay, pre-Soviet - on the other side) parts. I just need a Judeo/Zionist partner and we're in business...

Heck, according to family lore, I may even have the Judeo/Zionist lineage there, as well. I'm a conspiracy all to myself...

40 posted on 04/01/2014 2:36:40 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Olog-hai
Basic problem solving too hard for German kids

Really? Do you mean white kids of German heritage?

41 posted on 04/01/2014 2:37:53 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: IYAS9YAS
I'm a conspiracy all to myself...

Anglo-Zionist doublespeak. We're on to you. :)
42 posted on 04/01/2014 3:09:33 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: KosmicKitty
It doesn't matter if they find the right page or not, as long as they explain what a page is and why they might need a catelog. (Common core, after all)

I wonder if Common Core will teach the correct spelling of "catalog"? Probably not.

43 posted on 04/01/2014 4:24:20 PM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: BfloGuy

Yes. As I hit post, skipping preview, I realized I had a spelling faux pas.

Will you please forgive me :-)


44 posted on 04/01/2014 4:54:44 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Olog-hai; TheThirdRuffian; Billthedrill
What's not mentioned is that the German educational system will funnel these know-nots into menial labor that they're suited for. The academic testing that Germany uses is very good at placing people where their talents lie. Their apprenticeships in the Berufsschule will give them productive vocational jobs where they can be their best at.

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@TheThirdRuffian:
“Judeo-Soviet alliance after World War II” Yeah,Stalin loved the Jews so much he killed more than Hitler.
Neo-Nazis usually try to say that the Stalinist pogroms against the Jews were so much smoke and mirrors and that Stalin was controlled by a secret Jewish council of elders. Crazy stuff.
45 posted on 04/01/2014 6:48:22 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS; Olog-hai
It is a Third World conquest of the Western World and already in all Western countries the darkies are favored over the native whites, for schools, jobs, medical care, housing etc. etc. Our leaders turned traitor for votes, money and power.
The "darkies"....what? I don't much care for that language, nor for what it seems like you're suggesting.
46 posted on 04/01/2014 6:49:01 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: GAFreedom

“Neo-Nazis usually try to say that the Stalinist pogroms against the Jews were so much smoke and mirrors and that Stalin was controlled by a secret Jewish council of elders. Crazy stuff.”

Saw the Ukrainian protestors (or at least an element of them) spreading this line and it made me deeply skeptical of them.

Hitler used the same lie.


47 posted on 04/02/2014 9:24:57 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: KosmicKitty
Will you please forgive me :-)

Heh, of course, I will.

Actually, I was just being a snot. It's an Internet law that criticizing some aspect of education will inevitably result in a grammar mistake.

But beyond that, the Common Core guidelines aren't all that bad given the nonsense that fills our schools. Much of the criticism we hear is based on interpretation of the curriculum which is sometimes faulty.

I think we should stick to the major fault of Common Core which is that it's just another example of the Feds trying to control that which was once local.

48 posted on 04/02/2014 4:07:19 PM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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