Skip to comments.TSHTF Inflation: “What YOU Will Pay for What You Need to Survive”
Posted on 04/01/2014 4:22:45 PM PDT by Kartographer
To begin with, this article is neither to demean the starting prepper nor launch into my fellow bloggers and authors about their version of what being prepared for the worst case scenario might well be; even though the criticism is valid and should remind everyone of the old adage that NO ONE is totally prepared for a societal collapse.
The theory that many of the Pollyanna view of the end of modern convenience then in the end civilization is that indeed, mankind would seek his brother out and be at his best working together to rebuild and save humanity and rebuild civilization. The other view is the darker perspective, the so-called Jericho scenario on steroids where no one can or should be trusted and if one works within a community structure the enemy, in often cases the new or whats left of the existing government will either extinguish or work with other groups to seize control from any opposition to their way of thinking.
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I have barter items that I think might be exchanged at high value. I know prices for all kinds of things will go nuts and beyond just feeding ourselves we need to think of all those things we simple cannot do for ourselves and barter items might come in handy.
” trading blue jeans to Russian “
Back in the Cold War (*snicker*, as though it was that long ago), I used to trade jeans within many different countries. I always packed several extra if possible just for the opportunity. Some great memories were bought using those jeans.
alcohol is a GREAT barter iten and med toolkit item as well...
Plus if thermonuclear war breaks out it is good to down a bottle of vodka while watching the million degree sunrise on your front porch if you happen to live near a millitary base....
I do have high value trade good produced here on site.
I transplanted some of the tobacco plants into the big garden today. Looks like I won't have prepared room for 200, but I'm pretty close. I'll open more land for next year.
I am raising goats.
Careful the muslims like goats.
People are gonna need caskets. I’m planning on building them. Affordable, simple, attractive.
Actually I’m planning on going to heaven, but caskets are plan B in the mean time.
Not a bad idea but will probably be better once things settle out. During the really bad time a blanket will probably be it.
Just remove the worthless POS and we won’t have to have this discussion...: )
Every dollar is a drop of blood, of sweat, or a tear. After the money’s gone. . . you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack. Or dead. Reading John Hersey’s “The Wall,” people paid several tens of thousands of Zloty (Polish currency worth about ten cents on the Dollar) for temporary exit passes out of the ghetto. They abandoned priceless paintings, pianos, everything. The money soon had no meaning at all. Reading “The 900 Days — The Siege Of Leningrad,” by Harrison E. Salisbury, I would note that people paid everything they had for a modest snack of sawdust bread and human flesh. Economics is always right, and that ‘dismal science’ says that demand shall always fix the price at the point of supply. Buy the canned food now. All of it. And give a good surgeon your left testicle.
My late FIL had a bad heart and was exempt from service in WW2. When he traveled (salesman) he sometimes stayed in rooming hotels that were mostly filled with women. He used to get women to come to his room saying that he had nylons for sale, which he didn't. But apparently he was able to charm a fair number into staying and partying anyway.
I assume it’s the same for other liquors, but I know for a fact that bourbon will keep forever unopened. Good for a year after opening.
I’ve been thinking about adding a couple of cases of some basic well brand bourbon to the stored goods. I don’t think people will be too picky about the brand when times get tough enough.
I did too, but they finally graduated and moved out. I don't have to worry about that any more. ;)
Not "Jericho" - it'll be more like "The Walking Dead. The total breakdown of society will allow people to indulge their inner psychopath.
Examples include The Governor, Shane Walsh, the numerous gangs of marauders, and now the denizens of Terminus.
Other examples include the numerous riffraff who troll prepper threads and forums, declaring they will hunt you and steal your stuff. Selco and Ferfal write about real-world zeros who became wannabe Somali warlords in their own little turfs.
SHTF doesn't only mean the breakdown of the rule of law. It also means the failure of civility and the reassertion of the law of the jungle.
Until I actually need mine for the purpose I built it, I use it on Halloween and store antennas in it otherwise. ;)
Do we have to buy tobacco seed every year or is there a way to get seed from the plant for next year? Don’t think I have asked you that.
I have worked on preps for years and think I have what I need so I won’t have to barter at any time. If a collapse comes, I’ll be John Galt in an instant.
What you and I planted this year I harvested last July.
“Let them make seed pods and harvest the pods when they dry.”
OK, I’ll ask you more about that when we get closer to that time plus I have to know more about hanging them up and think I can use storage room for that. Now that I know I can grow them, think I will plant more next year. It would be a blast if I could fill a cigarette blank with my own tobacco. Then, I will know I can actually do it.
I am safe because I am going to raise pigs.
I’m thinking of goats. Meat, milk, and really good muslim bait.
It’s also a trap: Leave cheap booze near a bunch of rowdy yahoos you intend to dispatch.
What is good Muslim bait for those goat humpers?
A pretty goat is good bait. Heck in some areas of Afghanistan they have to put diapers on them to keep them from being raped.
Well, if goat humpers are going to do what goat humpers do, diapers will not protect them.
No, but a 5.56 or .308 will, hence the term bait.
Too many of that type are in government right now - starting with Obama.
The only thing holding them in check is the 2nd amendment and the fact they need more time to purge the military of patriots and replace them with Obamabots.
I believe that in a true TEOTWAWKI situation the government itself will be the largest, most seriousand most immediate threat to preppers and other survivors with an independent spirit.
Hmmmm. I did not know that.
So much for my idea of buying large (gals) and selling small (pints) :(
But, then, I'm not a bourbon drinker.
Oh yes, the old bait trick. Works every time.
or a port city...
Your idea would still work. Just open them one gallon at a time, when you need to barter for something. That’s just 8 pints and you would have a whole year to use them for barter
Whoa! Can't imagine the willpower involved in that little experiment.
While there was still a government, there was a lot of lawlessness. In the county where I grew up, the people did band together to help each other. They also had vigilante groups to stop the marauders.
The vigilantes were called The Baldknobbers, because of the clearings on top of hills where they had their meetings. It was not ideal, and there was still a lot of violence, but it wasn't anything like the walking dead either.
I do think that the government could be a big issue, if they decide to confiscate the stuff that's been stored - calling it hoarding, and maybe confiscate the gold like Roosevelt did.
I do think that things will be worse than the end of the civil war, because so many no longer share the traditional Christian values.
That was funny.
Chickens here. lots of eggs.
Your mention of drying seed reminded me to ask, since you all would know.
What about using attic space for drying? I have a large attic, well-vented, no critters...seems like such a waste of space, since the only thing up there now is Christmas decor.
I have a steer for insurance. Many, many pounds of hamburger for bartering.
There will be too many of the dead for caskets. I believe mass graves will be the order of the day.
the Muslims are buying my goats.
Not selling them with bitcoins either.
Ask the French. They did trade with the Germans in WW2.
Get small, get close.
This will be very ugly.
No honor. No Quarter.
Just a thought as regards to bartering, try not to trade with new or full items, especially items that look like they just came off of the shelf.
If I were bartering in an environment where you are dealing in leftovers, cast offs, and found items, and someone wanted to trade something unused, my thought process would be; Why hasnt he used that item himself? If hes willing to trade something in that condition, he must have a spare in better condition, or maybe even multiples of the same items.
You can see how this would quickly brand you as someone who has supplies on hand. Not necessarily a good thing. Im sure everyone on this thread has heard about the gray man, well its time to think of gray stuff as well. When bartering, scuff up your items, apply a little dirt or grime, remove any safety seals, and dont trade anything that is more than 80% full. This will go a long way towards your ability to remain anonymous, and anonymous is how you keep the bad guys from following you home to take your stuff.
AK47s are going for $589 at the local Fleet Farm. Down about $500 from the Sandy Hook high.