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TSHTF Inflation: “What YOU Will Pay for What You Need to Survive”
SSHTF Plan ^ | April 1st, 2014 | John Galt

Posted on 04/01/2014 4:22:45 PM PDT by Kartographer

To begin with, this article is neither to demean the starting prepper nor launch into my fellow bloggers and authors about their version of what being prepared for the worst case scenario might well be; even though the criticism is valid and should remind everyone of the old adage that NO ONE is totally prepared for a societal collapse.

The theory that many of the Pollyanna view of the end of modern convenience then in the end civilization is that indeed, mankind would seek his brother out and be at his best working together to rebuild and save humanity and rebuild civilization. The other view is the darker perspective, the so-called “Jericho” scenario on steroids where no one can or should be trusted and if one works within a community structure the enemy, in often cases the new or what’s left of the existing government will either extinguish or work with other groups to seize control from any opposition to their way of thinking.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: preparedness; preppers
I get what he is getting at. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. It's suprising what you can get for something that during normal times was very cheap, but during extraordinary times its value becomes astronomical! Take a pair of silk or nylon stockings they are CHEAP, but during WW II they were worth a fortune. Same thing for them and blue jeans in the Warsaw Pack before the wall came down. I remember hearing stories about guys trading blue jeans to Russian sailors from grain ships. Like the author pointed out if your wife or child need an operation during SHTF how much would you be will to pay??
1 posted on 04/01/2014 4:22:45 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 04/01/2014 4:23:10 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I have barter items that I think might be exchanged at high value. I know prices for all kinds of things will go nuts and beyond just feeding ourselves we need to think of all those things we simple cannot do for ourselves and barter items might come in handy.


3 posted on 04/01/2014 4:25:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Kartographer

” trading blue jeans to Russian “

Back in the Cold War (*snicker*, as though it was that long ago), I used to trade jeans within many different countries. I always packed several extra if possible just for the opportunity. Some great memories were bought using those jeans.


4 posted on 04/01/2014 4:27:27 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Kartographer

5 posted on 04/01/2014 4:29:45 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: CodeToad

alcohol is a GREAT barter iten and med toolkit item as well...

Plus if thermonuclear war breaks out it is good to down a bottle of vodka while watching the million degree sunrise on your front porch if you happen to live near a millitary base....


6 posted on 04/01/2014 4:31:39 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Kartographer
No wife, and the kids are grown and gone and on their own. So nothing. ;)

I do have high value trade good produced here on site.

I transplanted some of the tobacco plants into the big garden today. Looks like I won't have prepared room for 200, but I'm pretty close. I'll open more land for next year.

/johnny

7 posted on 04/01/2014 4:37:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I am raising goats.


8 posted on 04/01/2014 4:47:11 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: hadaclueonce

Careful the muslims like goats.


9 posted on 04/01/2014 4:49:25 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GraceG
any kind of cheap alcohol and lots of empty pint bottles. can probably get a case of MREs from a soldier for a pint of alcohol. was going to say bourbon but any will do.
10 posted on 04/01/2014 4:55:12 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: Kartographer

People are gonna need caskets. I’m planning on building them. Affordable, simple, attractive.

Actually I’m planning on going to heaven, but caskets are plan B in the mean time.


11 posted on 04/01/2014 5:00:02 PM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk

Not a bad idea but will probably be better once things settle out. During the really bad time a blanket will probably be it.


12 posted on 04/01/2014 5:04:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Just remove the worthless POS and we won’t have to have this discussion...: )


13 posted on 04/01/2014 5:05:14 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Kartographer

Every dollar is a drop of blood, of sweat, or a tear. After the money’s gone. . . you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack. Or dead. Reading John Hersey’s “The Wall,” people paid several tens of thousands of Zloty (Polish currency worth about ten cents on the Dollar) for temporary exit passes out of the ghetto. They abandoned priceless paintings, pianos, everything. The money soon had no meaning at all. Reading “The 900 Days — The Siege Of Leningrad,” by Harrison E. Salisbury, I would note that people paid everything they had for a modest snack of sawdust bread and human flesh. Economics is always right, and that ‘dismal science’ says that demand shall always fix the price at the point of supply. Buy the canned food now. All of it. And give a good surgeon your left testicle.


14 posted on 04/01/2014 5:07:29 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all smart little girls to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Kartographer
Take a pair of silk or nylon stockings they are CHEAP, but during WW II they were worth a fortune

My late FIL had a bad heart and was exempt from service in WW2. When he traveled (salesman) he sometimes stayed in rooming hotels that were mostly filled with women. He used to get women to come to his room saying that he had nylons for sale, which he didn't. But apparently he was able to charm a fair number into staying and partying anyway.

15 posted on 04/01/2014 5:07:57 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: GraceG

I assume it’s the same for other liquors, but I know for a fact that bourbon will keep forever unopened. Good for a year after opening.

I’ve been thinking about adding a couple of cases of some basic well brand bourbon to the stored goods. I don’t think people will be too picky about the brand when times get tough enough.


16 posted on 04/01/2014 5:11:41 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: hadaclueonce
I am raising goats.

I did too, but they finally graduated and moved out. I don't have to worry about that any more. ;)

/johnny

17 posted on 04/01/2014 5:14:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer; ChocChipCookie; Marcella; Bride Of Old Sarge; WakeUpAndVote; yorkiemom; ...
The other view is the darker perspective, the so-called “Jericho” scenario on steroids where no one can or should be trusted

Not "Jericho" - it'll be more like "The Walking Dead. The total breakdown of society will allow people to indulge their inner psychopath.

Examples include The Governor, Shane Walsh, the numerous gangs of marauders, and now the denizens of Terminus.

Other examples include the numerous riffraff who troll prepper threads and forums, declaring they will hunt you and steal your stuff. Selco and Ferfal write about real-world zeros who became wannabe Somali warlords in their own little turfs.

SHTF doesn't only mean the breakdown of the rule of law. It also means the failure of civility and the reassertion of the law of the jungle.

18 posted on 04/01/2014 5:16:03 PM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: lurk

Until I actually need mine for the purpose I built it, I use it on Halloween and store antennas in it otherwise. ;)

/johnny

19 posted on 04/01/2014 5:16:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Kartographer

Do we have to buy tobacco seed every year or is there a way to get seed from the plant for next year? Don’t think I have asked you that.

I have worked on preps for years and think I have what I need so I won’t have to barter at any time. If a collapse comes, I’ll be John Galt in an instant.


20 posted on 04/01/2014 5:20:22 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella
Don't top 3 of the best plants. Let them make seed pods and harvest the pods when they dry. There's about eleventy zillion seeds in each pod.

What you and I planted this year I harvested last July.

/johnny

21 posted on 04/01/2014 5:23:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Let them make seed pods and harvest the pods when they dry.”

OK, I’ll ask you more about that when we get closer to that time plus I have to know more about hanging them up and think I can use storage room for that. Now that I know I can grow them, think I will plant more next year. It would be a blast if I could fill a cigarette blank with my own tobacco. Then, I will know I can actually do it.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 5:32:52 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: driftdiver
Careful the muslims like goats.

I am safe because I am going to raise pigs.

23 posted on 04/01/2014 5:35:48 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17

I’m thinking of goats. Meat, milk, and really good muslim bait.


24 posted on 04/01/2014 5:47:13 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GraceG

It’s also a trap: Leave cheap booze near a bunch of rowdy yahoos you intend to dispatch.


25 posted on 04/01/2014 5:55:47 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: driftdiver
I’m thinking of goats. Meat, milk, and really good muslim bait.

What is good Muslim bait for those goat humpers?

26 posted on 04/01/2014 6:12:32 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17

A pretty goat is good bait. Heck in some areas of Afghanistan they have to put diapers on them to keep them from being raped.


27 posted on 04/01/2014 6:14:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Heck in some areas of Afghanistan they have to put diapers on them to keep them from being raped.

Well, if goat humpers are going to do what goat humpers do, diapers will not protect them.

28 posted on 04/01/2014 6:49:08 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17

No, but a 5.56 or .308 will, hence the term bait.


29 posted on 04/01/2014 6:49:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Old Sarge
The total breakdown of society will allow people to indulge their inner psychopath.

Too many of that type are in government right now - starting with Obama.

The only thing holding them in check is the 2nd amendment and the fact they need more time to purge the military of patriots and replace them with Obamabots.

I believe that in a true TEOTWAWKI situation the government itself will be the largest, most seriousand most immediate threat to preppers and other survivors with an independent spirit.


30 posted on 04/01/2014 6:54:06 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
..but I know for a fact that bourbon will keep forever unopened. Good for a year after opening.

Hmmmm. I did not know that.

So much for my idea of buying large (gals) and selling small (pints) :(
But, then, I'm not a bourbon drinker.

31 posted on 04/01/2014 6:56:03 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: driftdiver
No, but a 5.56 or .308 will, hence the term bait.

Oh yes, the old bait trick. Works every time.

32 posted on 04/01/2014 7:17:41 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: GraceG

or a port city...


33 posted on 04/01/2014 7:55:52 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Jane Long

Your idea would still work. Just open them one gallon at a time, when you need to barter for something. That’s just 8 pints and you would have a whole year to use them for barter


34 posted on 04/01/2014 8:30:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I assume it’s the same for other liquors, but I know for a fact that bourbon will keep forever unopened. Good for a year after opening.

Whoa! Can't imagine the willpower involved in that little experiment.

35 posted on 04/01/2014 8:39:20 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Kartographer; Marcella; JRandomFreeper
Interesting article. He references the years after the end of the war in 1865.

While there was still a government, there was a lot of lawlessness. In the county where I grew up, the people did band together to help each other. They also had vigilante groups to stop the marauders.

The vigilantes were called The Baldknobbers, because of the clearings on top of hills where they had their meetings. It was not ideal, and there was still a lot of violence, but it wasn't anything like the walking dead either.

I do think that the government could be a big issue, if they decide to confiscate the stuff that's been stored - calling it hoarding, and maybe confiscate the gold like Roosevelt did.

I do think that things will be worse than the end of the civil war, because so many no longer share the traditional Christian values.

36 posted on 04/01/2014 8:50:27 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Iron Munro

37 posted on 04/02/2014 4:39:07 AM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That was funny.

Chickens here. lots of eggs.


38 posted on 04/02/2014 5:29:58 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Marcella; JRandomFreeper; Kartographer

Your mention of drying seed reminded me to ask, since you all would know.

What about using attic space for drying? I have a large attic, well-vented, no critters...seems like such a waste of space, since the only thing up there now is Christmas decor.


39 posted on 04/02/2014 5:34:10 AM PDT by LadyBuck (Strangeways, here we come....)
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To: LadyBuck
As long as it doesn't go over about 105F, it should be ok.

/johnny

40 posted on 04/02/2014 5:50:12 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

I have a steer for insurance. Many, many pounds of hamburger for bartering.


41 posted on 04/02/2014 11:10:54 AM PDT by PROTESTBYPROXY (Invictus Maneo !!)
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To: lurk
People are gonna need caskets. I’m planning on building them. Affordable, simple, attractive.

There will be too many of the dead for caskets. I believe mass graves will be the order of the day.

42 posted on 04/02/2014 1:01:08 PM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: driftdiver

the Muslims are buying my goats.

Not selling them with bitcoins either.

Ask the French. They did trade with the Germans in WW2.

Get small, get close.

This will be very ugly.

No honor. No Quarter.


43 posted on 04/02/2014 5:48:30 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: Kartographer; All

Just a thought as regards to “bartering”, try not to trade with new or full items, especially items that look like they just came off of the shelf.

If I were bartering in an environment where you are dealing in leftovers, cast offs, and found items, and someone wanted to trade something unused, my thought process would be; “Why hasn’t he used that item himself? If he’s willing to trade something in that condition, he must have a spare in better condition, or maybe even multiples of the same items.”

You can see how this would quickly brand you as someone who has “supplies” on hand. Not necessarily a good thing. I’m sure everyone on this thread has heard about the “gray man”, well it’s time to think of “gray stuff” as well. When bartering, scuff up your items, apply a little dirt or grime, remove any safety seals, and don’t trade anything that is more than 80% full. This will go a long way towards your ability to remain anonymous, and anonymous is how you keep the bad guys from following you home to take your stuff.


44 posted on 04/03/2014 11:48:41 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Kartographer

AK47s are going for $589 at the local Fleet Farm. Down about $500 from the Sandy Hook high.


45 posted on 04/03/2014 7:18:25 PM PDT by Sawdring
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