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Vanity - if SCOTUS rules for HobbyLobby is Obamacare dead?

Posted on 04/03/2014 5:20:59 PM PDT by Perdogg

Vanity - if SCOTUS rules for HobbyLobby is Obamacare dead?

Due to the serviceability clause?


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1 posted on 04/03/2014 5:20:59 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Obamacare will be dead when people don’t pay the penalty.


2 posted on 04/03/2014 5:24:47 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Perdogg

No.


3 posted on 04/03/2014 5:25:20 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Obamacare will be dead when people don’t pay the penalty.

How will that happen? Do people not have jobs and bank accounts?

4 posted on 04/03/2014 5:25:51 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Perdogg

nope.


5 posted on 04/03/2014 5:25:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Perdogg

I am a skeptic. I do not think SCOTUS will rule in favor of the Constitution, conscience and Hobby Lobby.

I hope I’m wrong.


6 posted on 04/03/2014 5:26:03 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Perdogg
The question is, if the Supreme Court rules against Hobby Lobby, are our liberties dead, and, most importantly, what are we going to do about it?
7 posted on 04/03/2014 5:27:01 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Jemian

I believe you are going to be correct. Getting hard to find an unshredded piece of the Constitution. Or people that give a damn.


8 posted on 04/03/2014 5:28:45 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Perdogg

No

Just allows these groups to exempt themselves. It doesn’t help them of course, but I think the doctors will decide this law. And a lot of them are retiring or going fully private for cash payments.


9 posted on 04/03/2014 5:29:52 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Perdogg

That would be so wonderful.


10 posted on 04/03/2014 5:30:08 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Perdogg

The Führer will just tell you it isn’t...


11 posted on 04/03/2014 5:32:42 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Viennacon
Just allows these groups to exempt themselves. It doesn’t help them of course, but I think the doctors will decide this law. And a lot of them are retiring or going fully private for cash payments.

The ultimate goal is to have 100% affirmative action doctors.

You'll be better off operating on yourself than going to one of them.

12 posted on 04/03/2014 5:35:17 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Viennacon
...but I think the doctors will decide this law. And a lot of them are retiring or going fully private for cash payments.

You make the mistake in thinking that this law is "settled" and static, when IT IS STILL BEING WRITTEN, and will morph to a point where doctors MUST comply with every whim of the government, or lose their licenses to practice.

this is no exaggeration.

13 posted on 04/03/2014 5:38:40 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Perdogg

Now that it’s here, it will never be dead. That’s why Dems were in such a damn hurry to give it to us, and why Repubs have only half-heartedly fought it — it means generations of “an issue” to fight over, tweak, and pretend to fix, all the while just scraping enough votes to get them to the next election, when they can do it all over again. Just like Social Security and “the debt.”


14 posted on 04/03/2014 5:41:36 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Perdogg
serviceability clause?
15 posted on 04/03/2014 5:42:51 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Perdogg

I don’t trust this court to rule righteously on this debacle called 0bamacare at all.


16 posted on 04/03/2014 5:48:00 PM PDT by Sister_T (So, ACA is the law of the land? Remember: DADT and DOMA were the laws of the land! Repeal ACA!)
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To: Perdogg

Try to understand the Catholic perspective. Catholics have rightly held that the Obama administration is guilty of vile anti Catholic bigotry. It knew exactly what it was doing when it passed administrative rules that would force Catholics to violate their deeply held religious beliefs by funding the use of abortion inducing drugs. Otherwise as a matter of conscience they would have to close institutions that are a part of their religious expression i.e. health care, social services, education. The Supreme Court Justices who would vote to uphold these regulations would forever be known as anti Catholic bigots. If they decide in favor of the non Catholic Hobby Lobby case, then the appellate courts should find the anti Catholic rules unconstitutional.It would spare the Justices the bigot label.


17 posted on 04/03/2014 5:48:42 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Perdogg

What happens if they rule against The Little Sisters of the Poor? If the nuns dont comply and I believe they won’t are they going to send in armed agents to sieze assets anxd evict the elderly? I don’t think Obama and Jarrett have considered the blowback on such an Atlas Shrugged event.


18 posted on 04/03/2014 5:50:21 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Caipirabob

“The Führer will just tell you it isn’t...”

...with the support of the unfailing media.


19 posted on 04/03/2014 5:52:46 PM PDT by vg0va3
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To: Blackirish

An entire nation under interdict?
That might wake up some cafeteria Catholics.


20 posted on 04/03/2014 5:56:51 PM PDT by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning.)
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To: Perdogg

if obamacare dies and takes the health insurance industry with it, it won’t matter


21 posted on 04/03/2014 5:58:28 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"You'll be better off operating on yourself than going to one of them." idiocracy photo: Idiocracy Idiocracy30.jpg Paging Dr. Lexus.
22 posted on 04/03/2014 5:58:51 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: Perdogg

Well, campaign finance reform is surely dead after yesterday. The Supremes will probably kill it on the installment plan.


23 posted on 04/03/2014 5:59:03 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: Sacajaweau

They will collect it or attach something unless you have nothing.


24 posted on 04/03/2014 6:00:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: fwdude

ever been to a farmer’s market... cash baby cash


25 posted on 04/03/2014 6:08:49 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: workerbee

Not a single Pubbie voted for the ACA in the House or Senate, so how were they “only half-hearted?” They were also excluded by the Demo majority at the time from even participating in an open debate re the plan.


26 posted on 04/03/2014 6:19:47 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: ptsal
ever been to a farmer’s market... cash baby cash

This can be the new cash cow for Indian reservations - medical clinics/hospitals exempt from Obamacare regs!
27 posted on 04/03/2014 6:21:25 PM PDT by RushingWater
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To: RushingWater

Thunk you berry much.


28 posted on 04/03/2014 6:24:00 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: Blackirish

Everyone should be re-reading Atlas Shrugged and Brave New World, paying attention to the parallels.. . 1984, too.


29 posted on 04/03/2014 6:28:43 PM PDT by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: Paulus Invictus
I said Repubs "have only half-heartedly fought it."

Yeah, I know, I know -- none voted for the actual bill. They knew it would be a straight party-line vote, so why risk it? But since then? If you want to believe the GOP has been doing all it can to oppose O-care, be my guest.

30 posted on 04/03/2014 6:29:46 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Perdogg

Maybe you mean severability? If one section is bad then the whole document isn’t bad, just that one section.

Wasn’t the fact that nobamacare has no severability clause one of the first problems it had?


31 posted on 04/03/2014 6:30:55 PM PDT by upchuck (South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy for Speaker of the House!!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

I made my quarterly “liberty payment” Monday. My bean counter claimed I did not need to, however, my wife knows better. I slept good Monday night!


32 posted on 04/03/2014 6:31:21 PM PDT by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed!)
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To: Perdogg

No, that won’t do it.


33 posted on 04/03/2014 6:51:25 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: OldPossum

I think that would be the severability clause, ie, the lack thereof


34 posted on 04/03/2014 6:56:49 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: Perdogg

They won’t, Roberts is in their corner.


35 posted on 04/03/2014 6:58:38 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Perdogg

I’m sure you meant “severability” clause, not serviceability.


36 posted on 04/03/2014 7:04:08 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: HotHunt

I was on my smartphone and it changed the word without asking.


37 posted on 04/03/2014 7:05:24 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

“How is it that you can tell what the weather will be by how the sky looks at sunset or sunrise, discerning the signs of the sky - but you do not know the sign of the times?’

Paraphrasing Matthew 16:3

The zeitgeist says SCOTUS will rule against Christianity and empower the god of fascist government and dominance to subjugate them.

It has already been decreed that we do not have the right of the free exercise of religion. It is accepted that we only have a right not to be offended by religion.

The times say that we have no right to biblical religion and faith outside of a box that is hidden so as to not offend the hedonist or the Muslim.


38 posted on 04/03/2014 7:11:35 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Perdogg

That happens to me all the time. My computer does it too. You can turn that spell-corrector feature off, so the computer or phone doesn’t change what you typed. Otherwise, be prepared to carefully edit everything you write before hitting “Send”.


39 posted on 04/03/2014 7:11:37 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: Perdogg

If we lived under the rule of law, ObamaCare would already be dead because the Supremes invalidated parts of that atrocity in the otherwise dreadful Roberts ruling. If they uphold ObamaCare again, the First Amendment is dead, as is freedom. If they decide in favor of Hobby Lobby, I assume they will once again illegally legislate from the bench to save portions of ObamaCare. America is facing its most deadly threat ever, and I am not optimistic on a quick victory.


40 posted on 04/03/2014 7:19:18 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: I-ambush

My father is in a Little Sister’s home. It’s a wonderful truly holy place. But make the radical left is making a huge mistake here. These woman will never compromise there beliefs even at gunpoint. Picking a fight with nuns is a lose...lose. If the Dept of Justice lose in court they lose. If they win in court the nun will destroy this administration in the court of public opinion. They will end up slapping Obama around like that nun did to Jake and Elwood in the Blues Brothers


41 posted on 04/03/2014 7:21:06 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: I-ambush

My father is in a Little Sister’s home. It’s a wonderful truly holy place. But make the radical left is making a huge mistake here. These woman will never compromise there beliefs even at gunpoint. Picking a fight with nuns is a lose...lose. If the Dept of Justice lose in court they lose. If they win in court the nun will destroy this administration in the court of public opinion. They will end up slapping Obama around like that nun did to Jake and Elwood in the Blues Brothers


42 posted on 04/03/2014 7:21:13 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: I-ambush

My father is in a Little Sister’s home. It’s a wonderful truly holy place. But make the radical left is making a huge mistake here. These woman will never compromise there beliefs even at gunpoint. Picking a fight with nuns is a lose...lose. If the Dept of Justice lose in court they lose. If they win in court the nun will destroy this administration in the court of public opinion. They will end up slapping Obama around like that nun did to Jake and Elwood in the Blues Brothers


43 posted on 04/03/2014 7:21:24 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: I-ambush

My father is in a Little Sister’s home. It’s a wonderful truly holy place. But make the radical left is making a huge mistake here. These woman will never compromise there beliefs even at gunpoint. Picking a fight with nuns is a lose...lose. If the Dept of Justice lose in court they lose. If they win in court the nun will destroy this administration in the court of public opinion. They will end up slapping Obama around like that nun did to Jake and Elwood in the Blues Brothers


44 posted on 04/03/2014 7:21:38 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish

Sorry for the repost. My phone .....!


45 posted on 04/03/2014 7:23:05 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: fwdude

It was my understanding that if one didn’t pay the penalties,they could only be taken in lieu of receiving a due tax refund. Has this changed or did I misunderstand?


46 posted on 04/03/2014 7:51:52 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: Perdogg

No. There is no contraceptive coverage mandate in the statue. The offending requirement was made up by SecHHS Sebelius under one of the “as the secretary shall direct” clauses making her Health Insurance Dictator, presumably for the sole purpose of sticking a pointy stick in the eye of the Latin church from which she is an apostate (though it might also have the effect, desirable to American leftists of helping metrosexual men get laid, since women on hormonal contraceptives tend to be attracted to less masculine men than are women with their natural hormonal cycles undisturbed). The regulation can be struck down without striking down any part of the statue.


47 posted on 04/03/2014 8:32:32 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Perdogg

Roberts is still on the Supreme Court, so obamma has little worry.


48 posted on 04/03/2014 8:39:10 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Perdogg
"I was on my smartphone and it changed the word without asking"

Anyone who leaves auto correct turned on deserves all the joy it brings :^)

49 posted on 04/04/2014 5:46:17 AM PDT by Borderline
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To: oldtech
It was my understanding that if one didn’t pay the penalties,they could only be taken in lieu of receiving a due tax refund. Has this changed or did I misunderstand?

How is doing so not TAKING your money - i.e., making you pay?

Many people seem to misunderstand tax refunds, as if it is a windfall of unanticipated money. Think of it as change due on a purchase, as if you've paid a $75 grocery bill with a $100 bill. The money you are getting back isn't income or a windfall - it isn't an increase.

It's your money.

50 posted on 04/04/2014 7:22:17 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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