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Noah’s Ark would have floated…even with 70,000 animals
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 7:00AM BST 03 Apr 2014 | Sarah Knapton

Posted on 04/03/2014 7:23:19 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Noah’s Ark would have floated even with two of every animal in the world packed inside, scientists have calculated.

Although researchers are unsure if all the creatures could have squeezed into the huge boat, they are confident it would have handled the weight of 70,000 creatures without sinking.

A group of master’s students from the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Leicester University studied the exact dimensions of the Ark, set out in Genesis 6:13-22. According to The Bible, God instructed Noah to build a boat which was 300 cubits long 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high—recommending gopher wood for the enormous lifeboat. The students averaged out the Egyptian and Hebrew cubit measurement to come up with 48.2 cm, making the Ark around 144 meters long—about 100 meters shorter than Ark Royal. Using the dimensions, the Archimedes principle of buoyancy and approximate animal weights, they were astonished to find out that the Ark would have floated. …

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: bible; coracle; cuneiform; fauxiantrolls; godsgravesglyphs; irvingfinkel; noah; noahsark
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1 posted on 04/03/2014 7:23:19 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Well, Im glad they satisfied their curiosity! I sensed the numbers were correct...


2 posted on 04/03/2014 7:40:15 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

wish he would had left the mosquitos behind.


3 posted on 04/03/2014 7:44:26 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

yeah What purpose Do those pesky things serve other than being PESKY?


4 posted on 04/03/2014 7:50:44 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: morphing libertarian

Both sexes of those eat plant sap until it’s time for the females to lay eggs; then the females switch to blood. Only females bite for blood; the males stay vegetarian.


5 posted on 04/03/2014 7:50:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Amazing when liberals discover the Bible isn’t all the hocus pocus they’d like it to be.


6 posted on 04/03/2014 7:51:05 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: MeshugeMikey

Staple food of lots of bat species, IIRC.


7 posted on 04/03/2014 7:51:24 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: MeshugeMikey

If they leave the mosquitos out, I’ll go see the movie.


8 posted on 04/03/2014 7:52:02 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Olog-hai

too much info. ………………reaching for the DDT.


9 posted on 04/03/2014 7:52:33 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Olog-hai

There was probably a box with the 400,000 beetle species somewhere.


10 posted on 04/03/2014 7:53:09 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: morphing libertarian

God in his wisdom made the fly
And then forgot to tell us why.

— Ogden Nash


11 posted on 04/03/2014 7:58:47 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: morphing libertarian

I’m glad he didn’t forget about the pigs. Or we’d have no bacon today!


12 posted on 04/03/2014 7:59:38 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: morphing libertarian

There’ll be green aligators and long necked geese
some humpty back camels and some chimpanzes
some rats and cats and elephants, as sure as your born
but you just won’t see no unicorns.


13 posted on 04/03/2014 8:01:13 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Olog-hai

Can’t imagine the logistics involved in getting the wombats and platypuses on that ark, but hey, it’s in the Bible that they were there, even if not named specifically.


14 posted on 04/03/2014 8:02:32 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Nash should have asked the flycatcher.


15 posted on 04/03/2014 8:05:01 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ArtDodger

A Great song by The Irish Rovers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EPsuOEH1fY


16 posted on 04/03/2014 8:08:32 PM PDT by stirrinthepuddin
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To: Olog-hai

aha I knew there had to be a good reason.

Thank you.


17 posted on 04/03/2014 8:10:27 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Amberdawn

Well, when you consider the fact that Noah probably chose juvenile species rather than adult species when considering the larger mammals, it makes perfect sense.

People who question the Noah account in the Bible often picture grown animals, besides the fact that they simply disbelieve God’s Word.


18 posted on 04/03/2014 8:11:23 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: morphing libertarian

I just heard a NEW AD for the stinking movie on Christian Radio....

they claim ....it has LAUDED as a great acheivement...by “noted” Christians..

FAT CHANCE

they close the ad by saying that it takes liberties with the Scriptures...in a less that forthright manner


19 posted on 04/03/2014 8:13:12 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Amberdawn

It was a simple math problem for students. It doesn’t take into account:

7 months of food
7 months of water
7 months of dung

Not a liberal or conservative issue. Based on basic math and science, the Ark is a myth. It has to have the hocus pocus part to be believable.


20 posted on 04/03/2014 8:15:29 PM PDT by martiangohome
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To: Olog-hai

” Only females bite for blood..”

True for more than just mosquitoes.


21 posted on 04/03/2014 8:19:54 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Olog-hai
The "two by two" concept is a distortion.

Noah took SEVEN PAIRS (14 of each for the math inept) of every clean animal and one pair of every unclean animal.

Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

22 posted on 04/03/2014 8:25:52 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why are cops ROE more lenient against us, here in the US, than U.S. military's ROE's in a war zone?)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Mosquitoes are a primary food source for fish, bats, and birds.

That is their only useful purpose.


23 posted on 04/03/2014 8:26:45 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Olog-hai

Well ... considering that God made the entire universe and everything in it, I think he knows how to build a boat ... :-) ...


24 posted on 04/03/2014 8:28:05 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: This Just In

I suggest a much bigger issue than whether the Ark could float the animals is whether it could float their supplies.

An elephant eats upwards of 300 pounds per day, so two adult elephants would consume upwards of 110 tons of food over the course of the arks journey.

That compares with perhaps 6 to 10 tons for the elephants themselves. Which gives us a ratio of perhaps 10x to 15x for the food supply as compared to the mass of the animals themselves.

Applying the ratio to people, which is perhaps more typical of many animals, particularly omnivores. 200 pound man requires about 2 pounds of dry food per day. 2 x 370 days = 740 pounds = food ratio of 3.7.

Horses eat about 3% of body weight per day, so food ratio of somewhere around 11.

Norm the ratio at a conservative 6:1 for food for all animals. The article unfortunately doesn’t seem to include the rather important number of the weight of the animals, only their quantity. But it would seem their food would weigh at least 6x as much as they did.

Also, if the entire earth was flooded, presumably the water the Ark was surrounded by was salty, which presents a rather critical logistical problem in itself.


25 posted on 04/03/2014 8:35:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jet Jaguar

theyre tiny but then again so are the krill that whales eat..

Thank you.


26 posted on 04/03/2014 8:39:20 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: martiangohome

I believe Noah and the animals were in the Ark for at least 377 days. Loading would no doubt have taken some days, so some of the animals were on board for somewhat longer.


27 posted on 04/03/2014 8:40:15 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: martiangohome

God would have supernaturally provided for the animals perhaps putting them in a state of hibernation.


28 posted on 04/03/2014 8:45:47 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Olog-hai

According to The Bible, God instructed Noah to build a boat which was 300 cubits long 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high—recommending gopher wood for the enormous lifeboat.


No wonder Home Depot is out of gopher wood; Noah used it all up.


29 posted on 04/03/2014 9:05:49 PM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: martiangohome

I think one who can “bidd’st the mighty ocean deep, its own appointed limits keep” might not have a problem with a little “loaves and fishes” on the ark.


30 posted on 04/03/2014 9:25:00 PM PDT by UncleHambone ("Laughter is America's most important export." - Walt Disney)
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To: Repeat Offender

Old bar bet:

How many animals of each kind did Noah take on the ark with him?

A) 0
B) 2
C) 7
D) 14
E) All the above

= = =
The answer is . . . E)

0 – Gen 7: 14 “They had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings.” (Fish were excluded)

2 – Gen 7:2b “. . . and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate”

7 – (Gen 7:13 “On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.”

14 - Gen 7:2a “Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate . . .”


31 posted on 04/03/2014 9:39:37 PM PDT by Boojum
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To: Repeat Offender

And that’s the first mention of clean and unclean animals in the Bible too, chronologically speaking.

Scientists also like to say that most of the species that exist on earth have yet to be discovered, too.

BTW, the list would have included two behemoths. Depending on who you believe, that could have been a pair of the species Paraceratherium.


32 posted on 04/03/2014 10:01:25 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Sherman Logan

Very good point! Much less the tons of crap that would accumulate and have to be disposed of on a minute to minute basis.


33 posted on 04/03/2014 10:04:09 PM PDT by PrivateIdaho ( "Courage is being scared to death... but saddling up anyway." (John Wayne))
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To: martiangohome

Well, the dung can be thrown overboard and food and water stored. Feed the dead animals to the predators, etc. I wonder what the gross tonnage of a ship of that size would be?


34 posted on 04/03/2014 10:05:25 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: This Just In

Yes, baby tigers would be easier to handle; that is, if you could get them away from their mothers.


35 posted on 04/03/2014 10:16:12 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: Sherman Logan

How about the weight of the biggest cruise ship pool ever—just to float the whales?


36 posted on 04/03/2014 10:33:47 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: martiangohome
Are you saying " the Ark is a myth",
or are you saying that the writers of that math problem said " the Ark is a myth" ?
37 posted on 04/03/2014 11:52:06 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Olog-hai

38 posted on 04/04/2014 2:04:12 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Olog-hai

Interesting that the length/width ratio is 6/1. Many boats/ships today have that same ratio. It promotes stability


39 posted on 04/04/2014 3:26:26 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Sherman Logan

Sounds like you don’t believe it really happened. Apparently you have not heard the ideas of bringing in juvenile or even infant versions of each animal kind nor the idea that most any species has the ability to hibernate esp. under extremely stress-filled conditions.

If the rain water wasn’t fresh I’m fairly certain God provided a way for their every need. Heck, even now a days He provides for the atheist’s every need, doesn’t He?

creationscience.com - the only plausible explanation for our present-day conditions and it’s rich abundant variety of life forms imho.


40 posted on 04/04/2014 5:50:58 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: Boojum

Interesting post. It should be noted that Noah is reported as having one wife, the number of wives each of his sons is not reported, except that it was apparently at least one each.


41 posted on 04/04/2014 5:52:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: 9YearLurker

See no reason why whales would need to be in the ark. They could have been swimming around just fine.


42 posted on 04/04/2014 5:57:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Good point.


43 posted on 04/04/2014 6:01:08 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BrandtMichaels

Here’s the problem. You just can’t go around making calculations about the probable size of the Ark to “prove” that it was capable of floating the purported weight of all the animals, and then when someone points out some of the other logistical issues Noah would have to deal with suddenly revert to miraculous help involving animals in suspected animation or their food/water being provided (and waste disposed of) by miraculous means.

You can logically claim either scientific/logical support for all aspects of the Bible story of Noah, or you can claim that the whole thing was a miracle outside the normal bounds of science. You cannot, IMO, logically claim that science supports your position on aspect A of the issue and therefore the story true, while abandoning science and going to the unknowable powers of God on aspect B when you cannot support your position by science/logic.

Or, more accurately, you can claim anything you like. But you damage your own position when you mix science/logic and divine intervention as convenient to you in a single argument. Or at least that’s how it looks to me.


44 posted on 04/04/2014 6:10:49 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Well put.


45 posted on 04/04/2014 6:22:44 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: morphing libertarian

Since mosquitoes breed and grow in water, they weren’t on the Ark.

They were allowed to live so the mosquito eating birds and bats would have something to chew on when they left the Ark...duh! :-)


46 posted on 04/04/2014 8:45:53 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: ArtDodger
but you just won’t see no unicorns.

Apparently Cain's son ate them.

47 posted on 04/04/2014 8:47:05 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Nice try but you don’t get to make the rules. For believers it is obvious God made the rules for us - He [who can create out of nothing and knows all things past, present, and future [b/c He also created time itself!]] can bend or break any rule He darn well pleases.

Also for all of us true believers it’s obvious that true science will agree completely with God’s infallible word.

But any true atheist will readily admit science does not, can not, and will not ever have an answer for everything.

Seeing as how these ‘sciencey’ answers still come from man it is also obvious that a good portion of them will continue to proven and dis-proven ad-nauseum.


48 posted on 04/04/2014 9:53:03 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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49 posted on 04/06/2014 2:12:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Sherman Logan; Teacher317

Very.


50 posted on 04/06/2014 2:14:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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