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Noah’s Ark could have floated with the weight of 70,000 animals inside, researchers calculate
National Post ^ | 04/04/2014 | Sarah Knapton, The Telegraph

Posted on 04/04/2014 11:57:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Noah’s Ark could have floated even with two of every land animal in the world packed inside, scientists have calculated.

Although researchers are unsure if all the creatures could have squeezed into the huge vessel, they are confident it would have handled the weight of 70,000 animals without sinking.

A group of master’s students from the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Leicester University studied the exact dimensions of the Ark, set out in Genesis 6:13-22.

According to The Bible, God instructed Noah to build a boat that was 300 cubits long 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high — recommending that it be constructed from gopher wood. The students averaged out the Egyptian and Hebrew cubit measurement to come up with 48 centimetres, making the Ark around 144 metres long.

Using those dimensions, the Archimedes principle of buoyancy and the approximate weight of various animals, they were surprised to discover that the Ark could have floated.

Benjamin Jordan, 21, a student from Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, said: “Using the dimensions of the Ark and the density of the water, we were able to calculate its buoyancy force, which, according to Archimedes’s principle, is equal to the weight of the volume of fluid the object displaces. This meant we were then able to estimate the total mass the Ark could support before the gravitational weight would overcome the buoyancy force, causing the Ark to sink.”

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1 posted on 04/04/2014 11:57:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

More from the University of Leicester website:

http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/press/press-releases/2014/april/hurrah-the-animals-could-have-floated-two-by-two-according-to-physicists

University of Leicester students show Noah’s ark would have been strong enough to carry pairs of each animal species


2 posted on 04/04/2014 11:58:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (uestion)
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To: SeekAndFind

And here’s the latest country to ban the movie ( the one that gave us MH370 ):

Russell Crowe’s ‘Noah’ Banned in Malaysia

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/russell-crowes-noah-banned-malaysia-693647


3 posted on 04/04/2014 11:59:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (uestion)
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To: F15Eagle

MORE HERE:

Noah COULD have floated his boat, say scientists: Ark really could have coped with two of every animal:

* University of Leicester students looked into the physics of Noah’s ark

* Calculated would have been strong enough to carry two of each species

* Ark could have held equivalent of 2.15 million sheep without sinking

* ‘We’re not proving that it’s true, but the concept would definitely work,’ they added

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2595943/Did-animals-really-float-two-two-Noahs-Ark-coped-animal-claim-physicists.html#ixzz2xwhxlHcD


6 posted on 04/04/2014 12:03:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (uestion)
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To: SeekAndFind
Did they include in their calculations the additional thousands of pounds of waste & food?

Speaking of, how would they explain the animals not attacking & killing each other?

7 posted on 04/04/2014 12:04:24 PM PDT by gdani
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To: SeekAndFind
Two or Seven?

Your daily FR Bible reading for today.

From Genesis 6 and 7, New American Standard Bible
but I haved placed some words in boldface.

17 "Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish. 18 "But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark--you and your sons and your wife, and your sons' wives with you. 19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 "Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. 21 "As for you, take for yourself some of all food which is edible, and gather it to yourself; and it shall be for food for you and for them." 22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God had commanded him, so he did. 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time. 2 "You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female; 3 also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth. 4 "For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made." 5 Noah did according to all that the LORD had commanded him. 6 Now Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of water came upon the earth. 7 Then Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him entered the ark because of the water of the flood. 8 Of clean animals and animals that are not clean and birds and everything that creeps on the ground, 9 there went into the ark to Noah by twos, male and female, as God had commanded Noah. (All text NASB.)

8 posted on 04/04/2014 12:12:48 PM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: SeekAndFind

I just did some q&d math ... here it is ..

468’ length
78’ beam
47’ height

1.716 million cubic feet gross volume
7.48 gallons per cubic foot
12.8M gallons total volume
8# per gallon (fresh or salt?)
102.7M# carrying capacity
minus 33% because of necessary “freeboard” you can still carry 68M#

This is small ocean liner size ...


9 posted on 04/04/2014 12:14:59 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: gdani

Just a few months ago you asked those same questions and I answered them. I’ll do so again, but I doubt you’ll accept the answer any more than you did then.

Ever heard of God? You know, otherwise called the Almighty? The One who created the world and everything in it? I think He could probably manage those other problems. It’s possible that He provided food as He did for the Israelites in the wilderness, who knows.

I believe the Holy Spirit covered that boat and brought peace to everyone and every thing aboard it; otherwise there WOULD have been bloodshed. I think, too, that God’s power enabled Noah and His sons to build such an enormous vessel in the first place.


10 posted on 04/04/2014 12:17:41 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: SeekAndFind

First I’d heard that God “recommended” gopher wood. “Well, y’know, Noah, if it was ME, I’d go with the gopher wood, but...yah....”

[eyeroll]


11 posted on 04/04/2014 12:17:48 PM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: mbarker12474

Now Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of water came upon the earth.
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It would have taken his family 500 years to build the craft... makes sense.


12 posted on 04/04/2014 12:18:06 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Don't forget. Two of every unclean, but SEVEN of clean animals. They walked aboard the ark two by two. Genesis 7:2-15
13 posted on 04/04/2014 12:20:19 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl (Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. - Edmund Burke 1790)
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To: Neidermeyer

Did the Bible say that Noah was 100 when they started building the ark?


14 posted on 04/04/2014 12:20:22 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (uestion)
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To: jagusafr

I hadn’t heard of “gopher” wood either ,, did a quick search on it ,, there are many theories ,, the one that sounded most plausible to me was a scribes error ,, it could have been “pitched” wood ,, you would certainly need more than a few buckets of sealant for this craft.


15 posted on 04/04/2014 12:26:47 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: mbarker12474

Yep. Larger numbers of clean animals needed for sacrificial purposes at the end, among other reasons.

Gen 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

And lest we forget, Noah only needed one cat kind, one dog kind, etc. Even today there are also such things as tigons and ligers, and there are zorses, zedonks, etc., proving they’re still able to interbreed.


16 posted on 04/04/2014 12:27:25 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: SeekAndFind

There are about 900 breeds of cattle in the world, 400 breeds of dogs, 100 of cats, just to name a few common animals.


17 posted on 04/04/2014 12:27:27 PM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“.....but sure as you’re born, you’re never gonna see no Unicorn”


18 posted on 04/04/2014 12:30:29 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: SeekAndFind

No , but he was old enough to be a clan leader so he was already old ,,, 40’s? or more at least... just commenting on the enormity of the construction project... a modern shipyard would take hundreds of workers several years to build this.,, especially as we’re talking primitive tools and probably wood peg construction.. metal would have likely been used for tools but would have been far too costly to purchase for use as fasteners.


19 posted on 04/04/2014 12:31:43 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about the weight of the food and fresh water for 70,000 animals for 40 days?
Did that figure in the calculations?


20 posted on 04/04/2014 12:34:42 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: TennesseeGirl

How do you get two by two out of seven? There’s one left over.


21 posted on 04/04/2014 12:39:21 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Neidermeyer
Now Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of water came upon the earth.
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It would have taken his family 500 years to build the craft... makes sense.

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The problem with that is the first planks put in would have already ROTTED away long before the 500 years needed to build it.

What? Did Noah have the "rock people" working hard for him?

22 posted on 04/04/2014 12:40:33 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: gdani
Speaking of, how would they explain the animals not attacking & killing each other?

Not a physics problem; more the purview of theology.

Did they include in their calculations the additional thousands of pounds of waste & food?

The waste is easy: dump it overboard — not only this, but that would make the boat lighter over the course of the voyage as it would be expelling mass from the system.

As for the food, see Gen 6:21
"As for you, take for yourself some of all food which is edible, and gather it to yourself; and it shall be for food for you and for them."
So, if you're going to calculate using the given dimensions of construction-instructions, you cannot reject the instruction to carry foodstuffs, too. (There is no record of how much food that was.)

23 posted on 04/04/2014 12:46:15 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Biblical ignorance on parade.

First, there was no concept of “species” in the days of Noah. There were “kinds” — which is different from “species”. I suppose we could think of “kinds” as more like a “genus” than a “species” ... but regardless, since the days of Noah, the various species of creatures has expanded, not as evolution proposes, but as creation science proposes. See the Orchard model discussed here: http://creation.com/refuting-evolution-chapter-2-variation-and-natural-selection-versus-evolution

Second, there were not simply two of every land animal onboard the ark. There were *seven* of every kind of clean land animal onboard.


24 posted on 04/04/2014 12:46:16 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Taking the story literally is not a good idea.

I eagerly await the flaming.


25 posted on 04/04/2014 12:55:24 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: gdani

God brought the various animals to the ark and God protected each species he created while on the ark


26 posted on 04/04/2014 12:56:35 PM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: Jack of all Trades
There are about 900 breeds of cattle in the world, 400 breeds of dogs, 100 of cats, just to name a few common animals.

It didn't say breed, it said 'kind' — thus only one dog-type would be needed, only one cat-type, etc.
(Moreover, many of these breeds are new and the result of breeding programs.)

27 posted on 04/04/2014 12:56:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

^This^


28 posted on 04/04/2014 12:57:13 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: cloudmountain
The problem with that is the first planks put in would have already ROTTED away long before the 500 years needed to build it.

Well, unless he was sealing it, inside and out, as he built it.

29 posted on 04/04/2014 12:57:54 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: I want the USA back

If God created all the creatures from nothing, couldn’t the miracle be repeated? Even as a child, the Ark made no sense to me.


30 posted on 04/04/2014 12:58:07 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Character matters for those who understand the concept)
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To: gdani
Did they include in their calculations the additional thousands of pounds of waste & food? Speaking of, how would they explain the animals not attacking & killing each other?

suspended animation....God can do anything !!

31 posted on 04/04/2014 1:00:30 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: I want the USA back

I think there was a giant flood event and that a holy man possibly named Noah got his family and livestock to higher ground. He may have even built a boat and thrown some sheep and chickens in it. Beyond that...


32 posted on 04/04/2014 1:04:53 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: OneWingedShark

Then how did the various breeds survive?


33 posted on 04/04/2014 1:05:29 PM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: gdani

Why couldn’t he have left the bugs off?


34 posted on 04/04/2014 1:06:04 PM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: Lou Budvis
I think there was a giant flood event and that a holy man possibly named Noah got his family and livestock to higher ground. He may have even built a boat and thrown some sheep and chickens in it. Beyond that...

Beyond that...what?
35 posted on 04/04/2014 1:09:12 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Theo

Though the concept of species was not around at the time, they would have to still be there.


36 posted on 04/04/2014 1:09:44 PM PDT by Fuzz
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Then how did the various breeds survive?

They didn't exist until after the flood. Obviously.

… have you ever spent any time on a farm or ranch?
This stuff is obvious to anyone who has; it's even got a name, animal husbandry:

the management and care of farm animals by humans for profit, in which genetic qualities and behaviour, considered to be advantageous to humans, are further developed. The term can refer to the practice of selectively breeding and raising livestock to promote desirable traits in animals for utility, sport, pleasure, or research, but also refers to the efficient exploitation of a species in agriculture advantageous to humans.

37 posted on 04/04/2014 1:11:16 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: patriot08
Why couldn’t he have left the bugs off?

Because without insects the ecosphere would be in a bad place.
(e.g. Flies, especially maggots, aid in the decomposition of organic matter.)

38 posted on 04/04/2014 1:12:56 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Loud Mime
Even as a child, the Ark made no sense to me.

A fact may be true irrespective of one's disbelief or degree of understanding. The Flood account made enough sense to me as a child and is best accepted as a child and maintained throughout life. Just sayin'.
39 posted on 04/04/2014 1:14:38 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: CatherineofAragon

“Ever heard of God? You know, otherwise called the Almighty? The One who created the world and everything in it? I think He could probably manage those other problems.”

If that’s the case, he probably should have worked out a solution that didn’t involve killing all life on earth with the exception of the population of one big boat.


40 posted on 04/04/2014 1:18:08 PM PDT by Fuzz
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And since that would still not allow carrying enough food, and only involves 35,000 species (not quite), and there are millions of species today, it’s not literally true.


41 posted on 04/04/2014 1:21:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: publius911

and not just 40 days and nights, over seven months.


42 posted on 04/04/2014 1:24:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: Resettozero

Beyond that I think it is a parable. I believe it reveals God’s truth, i.e. God’s message, but is not 100% historically true. Truth can be revealed through art.


43 posted on 04/04/2014 1:30:58 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: YukonGreen

Perhaps ... but that answer sounds like a cop out. If the answer is God magically protected the animals he could have done that without an ark and all this trouble. He could have parted the waters. In fact God could have skipped the flood all together and just magically killed the humans via some virus that somehow spared the animals.

A more likely answer is the animals were placed in separate stalls in the ark by kind. That’s what I always assumed Noah did. A lot of work but building such an ark is a lot of work.


44 posted on 04/04/2014 1:32:20 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: gdani

Exactly. The food need by most animals needs to be fresh. How did the food stay fresh? An elephant needs 42 gallons of fresh water, and 600 lbs of food a day. Put together all the animals, there is no way to carry that much fresh water or food.

Let’s not forget, someone has to feed the animals. Even if Noah’s family slept in shifts so that someone could always be feeding them, they still managed to provide new food to 2,500 animals an hour— meaning it took less than a second and a half to feed each one.


45 posted on 04/04/2014 1:41:42 PM PDT by Republic_Venom (It's time for some Republic Venom!)
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To: Fuzz

Not necessarily the set of “species” we have now, but definitely representatives of every “kind” present at the time of Noah.


46 posted on 04/04/2014 1:46:05 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Fuzz

The reason he didn’t insert himself in another means and won’t for the future is that he believes in free will - the ability of humans to determine their own fate. He wants us to choose the correct path, but leaves it to us to make the decision. Early in the process he determined the need to be more determinitive, but has since offered other options.


47 posted on 04/04/2014 2:00:31 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Republic_Venom

Your viewpoint is based in what man can achieve and not what God is able to achieve. To imply what you imagine can’t be achieved (or overcome) by God is you limiting God by your own imagination. Nothing we can think or dream limits what God is able to do.


48 posted on 04/04/2014 2:04:38 PM PDT by overdog2 (Lithium Ion Battery Life)
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To: OneWingedShark

How about mosquitos, ticks etc?
How about useless dangerous eating machines like crocks and gators?


49 posted on 04/04/2014 2:06:41 PM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: Lou Budvis
Beyond that I think it is a parable. I believe it reveals God’s truth, i.e. God’s message, but is not 100% historically true. Truth can be revealed through art.

What is your understanding of the parable? What portions of the Flood story is historically untrue?
50 posted on 04/04/2014 2:08:27 PM PDT by Resettozero
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