Posted on 04/04/2014 7:04:15 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
KRASNOYARSK, April 3 (RIA Novosti) Andrei Marmyshev - Fragments of a US bomber that crashed near the Russian city Krasnoyarsk in southern Siberia during World War II have been delivered to San Francisco, where they will form part of a memorial commemorating pilots who lost their lives in the war, a historian in Krasnoyarsk told RIA Novosti.
"San Francisco is planning to set up a memorial to pilots who died during the Second World War. The fragments of the Boston bomber will also be used," said Lt. Col. Vyacheslav Filippov, an aviation officer and historian.
"For example, they are going to use the plaque from the plane's cockpit that carries its serial number and production date," Filippov said.
The A-20B Boston bomber was sent to the Soviet Union by the US for their common fight against Nazi Germany under an allied wartime military equipment program, called Lend-Lease. The plane arrived via a secret route across the northwestern Pacific known as the Alaska-Siberia air road.
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Love that Allison two stage supercharger!
The A20s were pretty minimal, as I remember, at least distilled down to the quantitative effectiveness compared to heavy and medium bombers.
Smaller payloads, but they got there.
Indeed, yes. I’d quite hope to see a deal where Chinese interests buy, lease, or otherwise peacefully mine Siberia - it would be cheaper, in the long run, then war. Russia has a history (Alaska) of selling resources they couldn’t develop, having under utilized them for centuries, I’d hope to see them follow that template. I’d be even happier if a U.S. leader could parlay their competition to our gain :)
If Russia evolves to free market capitalism, and becomes a very tough competitor, we all gain, or we don’t deserve to.
I always considered that a rising tide lifts all boats, and that a larger pizza means the same number of slices, means more, for everyone. The problem, as I see, is that The Russians are hard wired to see economic matters as a zero sum game - if you gain, I lose. Too bad, actually. They would actually make good friends, if we could play the cards, correctly. Thanks!
I honestly don't know Russian thinking on these matters.
Economic natural law concepts are esoteric and difficult to present with a considerable language barrier, plus for almost everyone who is not quite young, un learning and then re learning is required before ya can even communicate on economics.
They have spent centuries, getting hammered down, by their leadership class - they only understand behavior, a few steps above caveman level. I read an anecdote once, that summed it up, well. During the waning days of WWII, an American, and Russian unit linked up. A Russian got killed, and a GI reached down, and retrieved the Russian version of his “dog tags”, and handed them to a Soviet officer. The officer was puzzled by the gesture, so the American explained it was done, so his family would be notified, of the death. The officer replied “When the war is over, and he doesn’t return home, then they will know that he is dead”.
That's a little harsh on a civilization that has produced half the world class symphony and most of the ballet on the planet, as well as all those Russian specific expressions of Christian faith.
~IMHO Siberia will become a resource for China - they have the people, and Russia doesn’t. Eventually, China will grab Siberia. China and Russia are natural enemies - Nixon was a foreign policy marvel, to have played them off of each other, as he did, in the 70’s. Maybe in our lifetimes, we will have a leader who figures this out, and turns them back against each other, while we watch, on the sidelines. Thank you.~
Nobody likes to live in Siberia, let alone Chinese who prefer mild climate.
An interstate commute is a death match in Siberia, truckers are paid up to $10,000 a week and still there are few people willing to take a job.
Browse youtube for some videos of efforts in takes to bring oil and gas from these places.
I see your point, but I think China really needs the natural resources there, and may not consider the reality that you describe. Thank you.
Yes, some of what they have created, is to marvel at. On the other hand, when I was in the Moscow airport, and many other public facilities, a hole in the cement constituted a urinal. Even as recently as 2008, the Russian conscripts used toilets in Georgia, for washing potatoes.
Yo, Phoenix, this part of the discussion came as a result of my remark to the effect that “If global warming was real, Siberia would become much more productive and a great resource”. We’re just kicking around how that better climate would attract everybody to Siberia, not just Russians.
~Yes, some of what they have created, is to marvel at. On the other hand, when I was in the Moscow airport, and many other public facilities, a hole in the cement constituted a urinal. Even as recently as 2008, the Russian conscripts used toilets in Georgia, for washing potatoes.~
In what exactly major airport or public facility have you seen it? I’m not into arguing that Russia is somehow superior in that department, but in the vast majority of places I visited it was no different than in Western Europe. BTW, toilets and potatoes is a story from another war and another place. I first heard it about WWII and Germany. It was probably a BS back when.
For Georgia it is an absolute BS. All of these stories of barbarian Russian behavior there sounds about as real as stories of American troops marauding in Somalia for food and home appliances. It would impress a worker or peasant in North Korea but not someone who used to travel in US and Somalia or Georgia and Russia respectively.
A combat gear on Russian soldier worth more than average Georgian household and his annual wage may easily buy a village or two there.
~Yo, Phoenix, this part of the discussion came as a result of my remark to the effect that “If global warming was real, Siberia would become much more productive and a great resource”. We’re just kicking around how that better climate would attract everybody to Siberia, not just Russians.~
Yo,Patriot, I got it but the reality is most of Siberia is ever opened due to enormous cold. There is a bog under your feet most of the time. Have you seen a moschitos there? You han HEAR them hitting a ground as you are waving your hands to scare them off. Have you heard about encephalitic ticks? You can see dozens climbing up your shoes the moment you left a helicopter there. Let one sucker bite you and you generally have two options which are permanent disability or death within two weeks.
I’m talking about summer time there.
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