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Organic food: Pricey, not particularly healthy, won't save you from cancer
The Register ^ | 4/4/2014 | Dr Pan Pantziarka

Posted on 04/05/2014 3:41:07 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: HotHunt

Makes your vegies taste better too.

Last time I bought broccoli in a store they had used so much sulfur in the soil it tasted like I was eating a match and it just plain stunk.


41 posted on 04/05/2014 5:21:35 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: markomalley
The fundamental problem is the entire category of persistent organic pollutants (POPs). This includes not just pesticides, but also plasticizers, fire retardants, microbicides, certain drugs, and other synthetic chemicals and their metabolites and components. POPs accumulate and interact with the human body in way that are poorly understood.

There is clearly reason for concern though in that some POPs disrupt the endocrine and reproductive systems, affect intelligence and the nervous system, can be found at high levels in tumors and diseased tissues of other types, and have harmful impacts on wildlife. Such associations and the epidemiological evidence suggest that POPs have a role in some human disease processes and may otherwise impair health and normal development.

Eating organic food goes only so far in avoiding POPs. Plastic and plastic lined food containers are also a problem, especially if they are heated or used in cooking. Similarly, furniture, floor coverings, and clothes have and emit a wide range of chemicals, some of which are already established as problematic.

Most likely, as the science advances in the next few decades, more and more of the chemicals that we routinely put into the environment and our bodies will be called into question and substitutes developed. For now, eating organic and otherwise trying to avoid POPs will be difficult, expensive, and incomplete, and may -- or may not -- be worthwhile.

42 posted on 04/05/2014 5:24:01 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: HotHunt

“We live next door to a 1200 head dairy. Tons to manure to deal with. I’ll give you three guesses what we fertilize our garden and hay pastures with and the first two guesses don’t count.

Best fertilizer there is.”

So you are growing your vegetables in anti-biotic, growth hormone laden soil.

(grin)


43 posted on 04/05/2014 5:27:40 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Bigg Red

Composted animal poop isn’t nearly as likely to make you sick as fresh human poop.

Problem is a lot of people have gone to the extreme of not only washing their food but sterilizing it with some kind of sanitizer like bleach.

Their system can’t take it anymore if their is some type of bacteria on their food.

I’ve got nothing against using pesticides if I need to, but I prefer not to if I don’t have to.


44 posted on 04/05/2014 5:37:24 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Bigg Red

http://www.food.com/recipe/rosemary-olive-oil-bread-506940

http://www.food.com/recipe/basic-bread-sponge-from-amy-506938


45 posted on 04/05/2014 5:37:44 AM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: yldstrk

I came of age in the ‘70s too, on a working farm, so I’ve seen plenty of toxic stuff that was perfectly acceptable—until it was found out it wasn’t.


46 posted on 04/05/2014 5:37:46 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: AppyPappy

I sure do.


47 posted on 04/05/2014 5:38:32 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: HotHunt

Yes, it’s not as as nasty as carnivore or omnivore poop. Recycled grass, basically.


48 posted on 04/05/2014 5:41:08 AM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Rockingham

Exactly.


49 posted on 04/05/2014 5:43:46 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: miss marmelstein
"Why does today’s “organic” foods look so, well, perfect?"

It's because of the commercial, industrialized "organic" food industry's total take over of what used to be micro-artisan farms.

In 1990 I was the Executive Chef of an 100% organic restaurant. The only state that "certified" organic produce at that time was California. IIRC it took an existing conventional farm 7 years of soil restoration to be certified organic.
20-plus years later, now California will "certify" your existing farm "organic" in less than three years.

Todays "organic" is not your Mom's organic.
50 posted on 04/05/2014 5:43:58 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (The rats will always chew on each other just before abandoning ship.)
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To: Bigg Red

Actually Ive found that while Rosemary is hard to kill on e it’s started, it’s really hard to start. But some herbs like parsley are easy to grow in pots at home, even in an apartment. But that’s really for the garden thread, which I recommend.


51 posted on 04/05/2014 5:45:01 AM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: yldstrk

“yeah, well when I buy organic I have meal moths in my cabinets”

That’s probably not from the way it’s raised but from how it is processed and what is added during the process, not only to kill the bugs in it but to keep bugs out during storage.


52 posted on 04/05/2014 5:45:12 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: 9YearLurker

Didn’t need to take a trip to Vietnam to get covered in “Agent Orange” back then did we.


53 posted on 04/05/2014 5:48:00 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

I’m quite sure I lost an uncle early to the stuff we put in the fields.


54 posted on 04/05/2014 5:49:01 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: IMR 4350

Yes , I am a great believer in people, especially children getting normally dirty and exposing themselves to germs. Most people aren’t served by the germaphobe lifestyle, sanitizing everything, etc.


55 posted on 04/05/2014 5:50:08 AM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: yldstrk

Actually eating microbes with your food is very healthy! Check out about what is being found about gut health and its effect on immunity. BTW, in organic gardening the poop is always decomposed in compost with other plant matter and is NEVER applied fresh directly to the soil or plants.

The method of modern monoagriculture (growing only one species in large areas without domestic animals) and industrial fertilizers and herbicides sterilize the soil so that it destroys its structure and composition. Also growing large areas of one species of plant encourages the pests that prey on that plant to multiply in that location. Anyone who has done even the least bit of organic gardening knows the amazing changes that happen in their soil in its ability to retain moisture and grow healthy plants. Why do you think the DOA is recommending no-plowing techniques now where machines poke seeds into the ground rather than turning over the soil each crop? It has finally been recognized that deep plowing destroys the soil so it won’t grow anything, no matter how much fertilizer is put in it. No amount of disinformation will convince an organic gardener that his/her methods are not working. They see the positive results right before their eyes every year.

As for bugs in your garden, many of them are supposed to be there for the health of the plants! You always need to fight against the bad ones, but that is because we do not live in Eden anymore. While sometimes certain insecticides are necessary, I’ve found that choosing plant species carefully and inter-planting various plant families rather than grouping in classic rows is a far more effective method of controlling insect damage. My gardens have been organic for more than 10 years and I rarely use herbicides or insecticides. Not because I do not have pests or weeds, but because I’ve found other means to control them in my garden.

Again, I am not claiming that organic gardening is perfect, but organic gardening methods have proven themselves for centuries and they will be continued to be used until the government outlaws them.


56 posted on 04/05/2014 5:53:54 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: 9YearLurker

Probably didn’t spray any fields with it, but if he had brush to kill and he sprayed it to kill it, it was probably Agent-Orange he sprayed it with.


57 posted on 04/05/2014 5:54:35 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: yldstrk

Organic might make a difference with meal moths—I haven’t heard that, but I think it’s mostly from storing things in bags instead of tight metal, glass or plastic containers, having traces of spilled food on shelves and just saving things too long. Also one contaminated thing that somebody gives you can spell trouble. I’m lucky that my best friend is an entomologist though.


58 posted on 04/05/2014 5:55:56 AM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Rockingham

I am a POP offender. I microwave food in plastic sometimes. And above I recommended that a poster put his food in plastic containers.
Actually I don’t microwave in plastic that much, unless you count Saran Wrap. If available, I still heat food with the conventional stove or oven a lot or microwave on glass.


59 posted on 04/05/2014 6:01:10 AM PDT by crazycatlady
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organic milk lasts ten times longer before going bad in the frig compared to regular non-organic milk

Why would you have that, do you have a calf to feed or something? Besides, where would you get synthetic milk?

60 posted on 04/05/2014 6:01:35 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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