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MH370 skirted Indonesia to avoid radar: report
NDTV ^ | April 6, 2014 | World | Press Trust of India

Posted on 04/06/2014 8:53:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 flew around Indonesian airspace apparently to avoid detection after vanishing from radar screens on March 8, a media report said today, suggesting the possibility of a more sinister reason behind the jet's disappearance.....

After reviewing radar data provided by neighbouring countries, investigators have now found that the jetliner curved north of Indonesia before turning south toward the southern Indian Ocean, CNN quoted a Malaysian official as saying.

The official also suggested the possibility of a more sinister reason behind MH370's disappearance a month ago.

The plane's flight path clearly showed that someone on the plane was piloting the aircraft in this manner to avoid detection from Indonesian radars, CNN said, citing the official.

The latest finding added to the already prevailing assumption that the plane was flown deliberately along a route designed to avoid radar detection. But so far investigators have not ruled out other possible causes of the plane's diversion, such as mechanical problems.

It remains unknown who the investigators think might have piloted the aircraft, which carried 239 people on board, including five Indians, after it vanished from radar screens.

(Excerpt) Read more at ndtv.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Travel
KEYWORDS: australia; china; cnn; dopplerdelusions; giveitarest; india; indonesia; malaysia; maldives; mh370; ntsa; pakistan; southchinasea; thailand; unitedkingdom; vietnam
a more sinister reason??? more sinister than mass murder followed by pilot suicide???

It appears though that the mangosteens have been cleared of any roll in this incident.

1 posted on 04/06/2014 8:53:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
more sinister than mass murder followed by pilot suicide???

Yep.

2 posted on 04/06/2014 8:54:42 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Why would anyone care about radar detection if they planned to fly the thing out into the middle of the ocean and crash?


3 posted on 04/06/2014 9:07:12 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Uncle Chip
including five Indians,

Why is this mentioned ?
4 posted on 04/06/2014 9:07:49 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Uncle Chip

“It appears though that the mangosteens have been cleared of any roll in this incident.”

What about the durian?

After all, this whole thing does have a rank odor.


5 posted on 04/06/2014 9:08:39 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: wonkowasright

Because they can sneak bows & arrows past the metal detectors.


6 posted on 04/06/2014 9:09:04 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: wonkowasright

Probably because it’s an Indian website/tv channel.


7 posted on 04/06/2014 9:09:38 AM PDT by MetaThought
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To: wonkowasright
Why is this mentioned ?

Maybe because this report is out of India.

8 posted on 04/06/2014 9:10:12 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: MetaThought

DOH!

Naturally

Thanks.


9 posted on 04/06/2014 9:10:17 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: humblegunner

Good Question —

Why do you think???


10 posted on 04/06/2014 9:10:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: humblegunner
Why would anyone care about radar detection if they planned to fly the thing out into the middle of the ocean and crash?

Afraid of being shot down?

11 posted on 04/06/2014 9:11:11 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: wonkowasright

Because it is written by:

NDTV | Press Trust of India


12 posted on 04/06/2014 9:12:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Starstruck
Afraid of being shot down?

Does that hurt worse than crashing into the ocean?

13 posted on 04/06/2014 9:12:07 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Does that hurt worse than crashing into the ocean?

I think that would be the end result in both scenarios.

14 posted on 04/06/2014 9:14:25 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck

So.. like I said.. why would they care?


15 posted on 04/06/2014 9:15:15 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Starstruck
Afraid of being shot down?

It seems odd that if someone suicided himself and hundreds of others that he would want to hide the fact or if extremely unstable care about detection.

16 posted on 04/06/2014 9:16:43 AM PDT by grania
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To: humblegunner
So.. like I said.. why would they care?

They wouldn't. I was being facetious.

17 posted on 04/06/2014 9:22:46 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: grania
It seems odd that if someone suicided himself and hundreds of others that he would want to hide the fact or if extremely unstable care about detection.

If he has friends who are with the same airline, he might want to avoid liability on the part of the airline.

Weak, I know, but possible.

A second reason might be that he wants to keep the world open to moslem pilots...

18 posted on 04/06/2014 9:33:27 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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Projected flight path around Indonesia:

https://www.facebook.com/178566888854999/photos/pcb.740971779281171/740971732614509/?type=1&theater


19 posted on 04/06/2014 9:38:15 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: wonkowasright
Why is this mentioned ?

Source is an Indian news outlet.

20 posted on 04/06/2014 9:42:34 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: null and void; wonkowasright

I shoulda read ahead. What’s the over/under for how many times you’re told on this thread?


21 posted on 04/06/2014 9:44:24 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: null and void

Im still counting.... but hey i asked .... lol


22 posted on 04/06/2014 9:49:28 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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Inmarsat ping arcs:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3135643/posts?page=28#21


23 posted on 04/06/2014 10:05:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

More tinfoil nonsense.


24 posted on 04/06/2014 10:13:40 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: humblegunner
The whole scenario is not supported by logic. The MSM is hammering the Indian Ocean search way too hard. There is no significance to the objects spotted on the surface. The oceans of the world are full of trash
25 posted on 04/06/2014 10:17:52 AM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: humblegunner

The answer of course is.... they wouldn’t give a two hoots.

Now, if they instead intended to take the plane someplace friendly for some future use, they would try to avoid radars like Indonesia, Thailand and India. Pak radar would be welcoming.


26 posted on 04/06/2014 10:19:35 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: humblegunner

That’s what Ive been saying from the beginning, makes NO sense..if someone wants to off themselves they don’t take 7 hours to decide to do it. I doubt the pilots were having a Dr. Phil moment in the cockpit discussing their “Feelings” during those 7 hours


27 posted on 04/06/2014 10:31:29 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Uncle Chip

I’ve said this day 1, that this was deliberate, was planned, and not for a joyride into the dirt or water.


28 posted on 04/06/2014 10:31:42 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: CurlyDave
"A second reason might be that he wants to keep the world open to moslem pilots..."

I don't think there is anything a Muzzie can do that would sour the West on Islam or Islamic pilots.
It's a love story from the pits of hell....

29 posted on 04/06/2014 10:45:41 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: CurlyDave

777 pilot’s thoughts received in an email, for what it’s worth:
I got this from one of my retired military friends and thought you all would be interested in these facts about the 777. I didn’t know we had advanced
this much in aviation technology. I would also recommend his advice about foreign airlines.

From a retired AF colonel, now a pilot for AA, flying the Boeing 777:

All,

Just a quick update with what I know about the Malaysia 777 disappearance. The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly. It is a great, safe airplane to fly. It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load. Its also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it. Sometimes, even that doesnt work…as the Asiana guys in San Fran showed us. A perfectly good airplane on a beautiful, sunny day…and they were able to crash it. It took some doing, but they were able to defeat a bunch of safety systems and get it to where the airplane would not help them and the pilots were too stupid/scared/unskilled/tired to save themselves.

There are many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane. It is tough to screw up and the airplane will alert you in many ways (noises, alarms, bells and whistles, plus feed back thru the control yoke and rudder pedals and throttles. In some cases the airplanes throttles come alive if you are going to slow for
a sustained period of time) All designed to help. But, its also non-intrusive. If you fly the airplane in the parameters it was designed for, you will never know these other things exist.
The computers actually help you and the designers made it for the way pilots think and react. Very Nice.

Now to Malaysia. There are so many communication systems on the airplane. 3 VHF radios. 2 SatCom systems. 2 HF radio systems. Plus Transpoders and active, real time monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems. The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels. Big Brother for sure! However, most of these things can be turned off.

But, there are a few systems that can’t be turned off and one, as reported by the WSJ, is the engine monitoring system (not sure what the acronym for that is, but Im sure
there is one….its aviation…there has to be an acronym!). The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200s, use Rolls Royce Trent Engines
(as a piece of trivia….Rolls Royce names their power plants after rivers….because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these engines to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777s developed a slow oil leak due to a partial equipment failure. It wasn’t bad enough to set off the airplanes alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers in England. They contacted our dispatch in Texas and company Dispatch sent a message to the crew via SatCom in the North
Pacific, telling them that RR wanted them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine. Also, during the descent, they were advised NOT to retard the affected engine throttle to idle…keep it at or above a certain rpm. Additionally they wanted the crew to turn on the engine anti ice system as it heats some of the engine components.

The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in the left engine shut itself down using its redundant, computerized operating
system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the air…only on the ground. Pretty good tech. Anyway, the point was that RR monitors those
engines 100% of the time they are operating. The WSJ reported that RR indicated the engines on the Malaysia 777 were running normally for 4 to 5 hours after the reported disappearance. Malaysia denies this. We shall see.

Parting shot. If you travel by air avoid the 3rd world airlines. Their operators and maintenance are substandard. Substandard when traveling by bus or boat isnt so bad if the engines quit there...You just stop on the water or by the side of the road. Not so in airplanes. My piece of advice….if traveling by air use 1st world airlines. So, that leaves USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, most of Europe, Japan and just a few others. Avoid the rest….just my opinion. If you get a real deal on air fare from Air Jabooti…skip it. Oh, there are a lot of the developing countries that use expatriate pilots from the 1st world. Emirates and Air Jordan come to mind and are very safe. As is Cathay Pacific. Air Pakistan and Egypt Air…not
so much. Do the research or just drop me a note. Ill give you my opinion. And don’t EVER get in an Airbus!!

That’s all!

(signed)


30 posted on 04/06/2014 10:49:04 AM PDT by stickywillie (how come there are no father-in-law jokes?)
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To: null and void
more sinister than mass murder followed by pilot suicide???

Yep.

I'm with you. Until they find Positive proof that the plane crashed somewhere that plane is hid somewhere in a large hanger.

Pakistan has nuclear weapons and is run by radical Muslims.

31 posted on 04/06/2014 10:59:51 AM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: stickywillie

Great outline of the 777 communications capability.

When will manufacturers / government install systems that can’t be thwarted by the crew, such as an active transponder? Is there a mindset in design, that pilots are always benign and never rogue? These events should teach us that, while you have control of the aircraft, someone will be watching in the least, if not intervening.


32 posted on 04/06/2014 11:11:53 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: stickywillie; onedoug

Interesting.


33 posted on 04/06/2014 11:35:12 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: Chuckster

According to the girlfriend of Philip Woods, she was told that the plane got a “Military escort” and that she believes the passengers are still alive. She wouldn’t say where she got this information but she said that other family members of the passengers believe the same thing


34 posted on 04/06/2014 2:06:12 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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