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[vanity] Reloading advice for Springfield XDS compact 45
Optimum loads ^ | 4/8/2014 | blueflag

Posted on 04/07/2014 5:41:54 PM PDT by Blueflag

Seeking advice and comment on the best reload spec for a Springfield XDS 3.3 compact 45.

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Bought my wife a Springfield XDS compact, 3.3, .45 ACP. The store-bought loads that work well in my P220s have a slower powder burn that seems to be inappropriate for the far shorter barrel of the XDs compact. So I am seeking advice on the right powder/ grains/ bullet to optimize both shoot-em-up ammo and self-defense rounds. My brother retired from Lockmart and no longer has a place in his new home for his Dillon RL 500B progressive press. Oh darn. So, my first venture into reloading is about to begin!

figured I would start with a nice easy reload like the straight case 45 ACP; then move up to .223 and .308.

So what says FReeperdom? Best load for the short barrel 45s?

1 posted on 04/07/2014 5:41:55 PM PDT by Blueflag
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To: Blueflag

I’ve used 6 grains of Unique power with a Lyman 225 grain cast round nose bullet for years.Works well in every gun we’ve tried it in,including MAC 10s and Thompsons.


2 posted on 04/07/2014 5:45:33 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

power=powder.


3 posted on 04/07/2014 5:46:05 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Blueflag

Look at www.hodgdon.com and you will find the answer. In the Data Center.


4 posted on 04/07/2014 5:46:41 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Farmer Dean

Boy when I started hand loading over 40 years ago, 6 grains of Unique was a common load for a lot of different calibers and bullet weights.

For instance in 9mm, 6 grains of Unique with a 115 grain fmj. 6 grains of Unique with a 255 grain cast lead bullet in .45 Long Colt. Same with the .44 special, and several others.


5 posted on 04/07/2014 5:50:36 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: buffaloguy

will do; trick is finding the right data for the XDS 3.3 compact, specifically.

Goal is to have a 100% powder burn prior to the bullet leaving the barrel, with the right velocity, an NO overcharge.


6 posted on 04/07/2014 5:50:50 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

Personally I wouldn’t recommend trying to undercharge any round. You might wind up with a squib. I’d stick with whatever the Powder manufacturers recommends.

Not related to ammo, I recommend these folks to improve Springfield triggers http://www.powderriverprecision.com/ .


7 posted on 04/07/2014 5:58:03 PM PDT by Klaatu Barada Nikto (Liberty is not a Loophole)
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To: buffaloguy

For what it’s worth, Hodgdon returns the usual data - between 6 (starting) and 6.6 max grains for a 230 grain bullet. Got it.

I am looking for insight into the powders moreso I guess than grains of powder alone - I want a faster burn, but not over charged.

Again, the goal is to ‘build’ a cartridge optimized for the shorter barrel of the XDS 3.3.


8 posted on 04/07/2014 5:58:50 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Klaatu Barada Nikto

Not trying to undercharge the round. Rather I am looking for insights into the various powders - to see if there is a load and a powder that provides a 100% powder burn for a 3.3 inch barrel, versus the longer barrels of my full size Sigs.

Thanks.


9 posted on 04/07/2014 6:01:14 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

Try this one:

Sierra 185 gr JHP.
5 grains Bullseye.

My XD functions flawlessly with this load. Very controllable recoil, very little flash or flame.


10 posted on 04/07/2014 6:05:51 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Blueflag

Use the hodgdon data at the low end of the range and get a chronograph so you can see the velocity. Most all pistol powders are fast and they should all burn without any problem in that barrel.

Data from the powder manufacturers is reliable. Other sources may not be.

What makes you think that you are overcharging?


11 posted on 04/07/2014 6:06:26 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy

This thread needs more GUN PORN!!!



;-)
12 posted on 04/07/2014 6:09:54 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: Blueflag

Try Accurate AAC-2 powder and 185 gr. bullet.
5.7 gr. starting load
6.7 gr. max


13 posted on 04/07/2014 6:13:13 PM PDT by MCF
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To: Blueflag

Do a search for a powder burn rate chart and print it out.

Figure out what weight bullet you want to use, check your load data for the loads with the faster powders from the chart.


14 posted on 04/07/2014 6:21:45 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Blueflag

I like unique powder though it may not be the cleanest burning. You might look at Bullseye as you don’t need much of it. The best, most accurate bullet that I’ve found is Nosler’s Custom Competition Bullets in 185 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point; reasonably priced as well.


15 posted on 04/07/2014 6:22:51 PM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Blueflag
45 Auto •185 gr Speer GDHP

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/recipedetail.aspx?gtypeid=1&weight=185&shellid=35&bulletid=59

Minimum OAL
(inches)
Bbl Length
Primer
Powder
Charge Weight
(grains)
Velocity
(fps)
Print
1.2 4.4 CCI 300 Bullseye 6.4 986 View this recipe
1.2 4.4 CCI 300 American Select 6.2 941 View this recipe
1.2 4.4 CCI 300 Unique 8.2 1,015 View this recipe
1.2 4.4 CCI 300 Power Pistol 9.5 1,047 View this recipe

16 posted on 04/07/2014 6:32:20 PM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Blueflag

If you don’t already have pistol powder sitting on your shelf, you are probably out of luck. I’ve been trying to resupply for months, only a few bottles of rifle powder at the shops and no luck even at the gun show.

If you can find powder, for a short barreled light gun, you want a lighter bullet with faster burning powder.

For self defense rounds, buy ammo, don’t reload. To get proficient, load and shoot a lot. I’ve shot 10s of thousands of rounds, a good portion of them 185 grain cast bullets sitting on top of 5 grains of bullseye or Red Dot.


17 posted on 04/07/2014 6:33:11 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dangerdoc

If you have one nearby, head to a gunshow. Get there early, the line for supplies is the longest you will see there.


18 posted on 04/07/2014 6:37:15 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Blueflag

5 gr Bullseye and 230 gr LRN. Functions reliably in every 45 I have shot.


19 posted on 04/07/2014 6:37:51 PM PDT by wrench
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To: dangerdoc

Oh sorry...saw you tried. Live in Az where it’s common and no issue.


20 posted on 04/07/2014 6:38:16 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Lurker

Thanks Lurker. This is what I was looking for - voice of experience with the XD.

No stove pipes with only the 5 gr load? Nice.


21 posted on 04/07/2014 6:42:06 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Caipirabob

I went to the gun show Saturday. There were primers but not a single pound of anything useful for .45 or 9mm.

I passed on a pound of Clays last month, I’m kind of regretting it now. Not great for pistol reloading but I do have loading data for 45 auto.


22 posted on 04/07/2014 6:43:13 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dangerdoc

Powder is hard to find. I started reloading to make some light loads for my Ruger LCR. Later, I made the mistake of shooting some of the reloads in a larger revolver. One went ‘poof’ instead of bang. Bullet stuck in the barrel. Thank God I stopped shooting.


23 posted on 04/07/2014 6:43:44 PM PDT by aimhigh (John 14:21)
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To: buffaloguy

Overcharge concern only entered in when thinking about a faster burning powder.

I realize the pistol powders are fast, but some off the shelf shoot-em-up ammo makes a noticeable flash/flame. I infer the powder is still burning when the bullet leaves the barrel.


24 posted on 04/07/2014 6:44:07 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: IMR 4350

will try that.


25 posted on 04/07/2014 6:44:34 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: dangerdoc

primers are hard to find, especially CCI primers, but pistol powder is off the shelf here in GA; same for the brass and bullets.

Online places have ‘em, but what I don’t have a feel for yet is what is a good price, and what is a rip-off.


26 posted on 04/07/2014 6:46:53 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

XD-S™ Voluntary Safety Recall FAQ
Updated 03/07/2014
This information applies only to XD-S™ pistols in the serial number ranges below
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ 9mm pistols - serial numbers between XS900000 and XS938700
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ .45ACP pistols - serial numbers between XS500000 and XS686300

As a reminder, do not use your 3.3 XD-S™ until the upgrade has been performed.

XD-S™ Voluntary Safety Recall FAQ
Updated 03/07/2014
This information applies only to XD-S™ pistols in the serial number ranges below
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ 9mm pistols - serial numbers between XS900000 and XS938700
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ .45ACP pistols - serial numbers between XS500000 and XS686300

As a reminder, do not use your 3.3 XD-S™ until the upgrade has been performed.

http://www.springfieldrecall.com/Recall%20FAQ.asp


27 posted on 04/07/2014 6:48:17 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Thanks. Bought this one ‘new’ (never fired or previously owned) with the refit done at the factory.


28 posted on 04/07/2014 6:49:33 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: aimhigh

Probably missed a charge, the primer is strong enough to force the bullet into the barrel then the next round blows the gun.

I’ve had it happen twice over the years, both times I avoided pulling the trigger on the next round. A piece of brass rod and a small hammer are pretty good medicine for the problem.


29 posted on 04/07/2014 6:50:36 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

p.s. - it has the little roll pin in the grip safety.


30 posted on 04/07/2014 6:53:07 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

If you experience stovepipe issues, move up to a 200 gr JHP and use the same load. I use magnum primers, btw.


31 posted on 04/07/2014 6:53:24 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: dangerdoc

Don’t start with a progressive press. You need a single stage press to learn what you’re doing.


32 posted on 04/07/2014 6:57:33 PM PDT by Taylor42 (Hillary - Not now NOT EVER!)
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To: Blueflag
Only use shellcases headstamped "45 AUTO" for reloads in a modern pistol chambered for that cartridge. May lay persons, gun writers and even Springfield Armory seem to be unaware that the "45 ACP" cartridge was obsoleted over 73 years ago by SAAMI. Where have they been?

As James Carville might say, "It's the headstamp stupid"

33 posted on 04/07/2014 7:06:01 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Blueflag

I can find plenty of primers around here. CCI primers were less than $30 before this nonsense started, I can find them for about $36/1000 locally, you can mail order them cheaper but you need to buy a lot to make up for shipping and hazmat fee.

Bullet prices vary a lot. I’ve started shooting a lot more 9mm because the bullets cost a lot less than .45. Missouri Bullet Company, you can get 500 9mm for $32. I bought some 200 grain 45 also but I can’t remember the price off the top of my head. They shoot well and don’t lead the barrel much. Precision Delta sells very nice target hollow points but recently raised their prices about 30%.

Once fired brass isn’t cheap anymore and 45 acp is much more expensive than 9mm and 40 S&W and harder to find but you can google and compare prices. Back in the day, not many people reloaded ammo and brass could be found for the price of scrap or frequently free.


34 posted on 04/07/2014 7:06:53 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Blueflag

RCBS Lockout Die......would not load without it.


35 posted on 04/07/2014 7:10:26 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Taylor42

I started with a single stage press, back in the 80’s.


36 posted on 04/07/2014 7:10:57 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Blueflag

Spend some time at:

Www.castboolits.gunloads.com

35,000 members, some noobies, some have been loading for 60 years. We have a lot of experts who are willing to help you get your technique correct.

Just be sure you ask questions. We don’t care if they have been asked before.


37 posted on 04/07/2014 7:55:47 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Blueflag

And good luck finding pistol powder. Sheesh.


38 posted on 04/07/2014 7:57:16 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Blueflag

I am not at all sure that flame coming out of the barrel means that the powder is burning outside the barrel. It could be many things other than powder.


39 posted on 04/07/2014 8:08:45 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Blueflag

I am not at all sure that flame coming out of the barrel means that the powder is burning outside the barrel. It could be many things other than powder.


40 posted on 04/07/2014 8:18:45 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Blueflag

5 grains of Alliant Bullseye under a 230gr Speer Gold Dot flying ashtray for self defense. 777fps per my Chrony.
5 grains of same Bullseye under 230gr RN plated Berry’s Bullets

Both of these bullets are not normal jacketed, but plated lead, and therefore softer than jacketed bullets and take less powder to push through the barrel.

Real fast powder for that short barrel, no lead to clean up, just powder residue.

Only about 250 rounds through the gun, but so far no malfunctions. This XDs .45 is carried every day.

$217 for 1500ct Berry’s plated 230gr RN bullets $.145ea
$35 (panic inflated) 1 lb Bullseye powder makes 1400 rounds $.025ea
$40 (again, panic inflated) 1000 primers $.04ea
You collected the brass for free $.21 per round or $10.50 a box


41 posted on 04/07/2014 8:45:13 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: buffaloguy
I am not at all sure that flame coming out of the barrel means that the powder is burning outside the barrel. It could be many things other than powder.

Could you give some suggestions on what it might be, other than powder?

I have a hard time imagining what might be burning other than powder.

42 posted on 04/07/2014 9:42:51 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave

I just found this. . .

Muzzle flash can be broken down into five distinct components:

1) Muzzle glow is a reddish glow that is visible before the bullet leaves the barrel. Muzzle glow is created by superheated gases that have leaked past the projectile and have exited the barrel.

2) The primary flash is caused by propellant gases exiting the firearm behind the bullet. Although amongst the brightest of the flashes, the heat of the primary flash dissipates quickly and thus is no longer visible.

3) The intermediate flash is caused by shock waves created by the high speeds of the escaping gases and projectile, and appears as a reddish disc shape in front of the muzzle.

4) The secondary flash appears farthest from the muzzle as a large white or yellow flame. Secondary flash is caused by the mixture of fuel-rich gases and oxygen in the atmosphere surrounding the muzzle.

Following the dissipation of the muzzle flash, partially unburnt powder or other heated materials can be ejected from the muzzle and appear as sparks.

Muzzle flash, particularly the long duration secondary flash, is an inherent problem in most firearms. Due to its brightness, muzzle flash can temporarily blind the shooter, or give away the shooter’s location, especially at night.

http://legallyarmedamerica.com/blog/2014/01/10/muzzle-flash-what-is-it-and-what-causes-it/


43 posted on 04/07/2014 11:01:34 PM PDT by deks (: Sent from my BlackBerry Q10 smartphone :)
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To: Blueflag

If you’re looking for faster burning powders, I’ve used both Bullseye and 231 in my 45s, with anything from 185gr JHP to 255gr LFN.

Sorry, I don’t recall the charges used.

Mark


44 posted on 04/07/2014 11:11:55 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Blueflag

4.5 of 231 plugged with a H&G #68, 200gr hardcast lead semi wadcutter .....

Using that load for decades in Sig 220’s and 1911’s. About 860fps if I remember correctly.

Safe simple load....stay safe !


45 posted on 04/08/2014 12:40:28 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Blueflag

For 45 ACP target shooting, I use light loads so I can shoot longer.

4.9 grains of Titegroup with 185 grain bullets.

I also loads with other powders such as IMR700X, HP38, and UltimateClayes if I cannot find Titegroup in this market where powders are still hard to find.


46 posted on 04/08/2014 3:53:01 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Taylor42

I use a turrent press now. Much faster than a single stage press and I can inspect each round at each stage of reloading. To me, it is a good ballance of speed and control.

The missed powder charges were a long time ago, I can’t remember if they were rounds I reloaded or not. If they were, they would have been made on the single stage press. I don’t remember ever having the issue on anything reloaded on the turrent press.


47 posted on 04/08/2014 5:43:56 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: CurlyDave

It could be secondary chemicals that come out of the barrel at very high temperatures and react with the oxygen and burn.

The best and most efficient use of the bullet and gun will be at maximum accuracy. At that point everything is working correctly and that is the point we hunt for with a new weapon or new bullet.

The efficiency of the explosion is of little interest to reloaders as it is irrelevant to the operation of the gun. When you see load data in which the velocity increases as the charge increases the powder is definitely burning in the barrel otherwise the velocity would not increase. Make sense?

Each different bullet may have a different charge which works well at certain levels but not so well at other levels. Frequently the most accurate charge is at the lower end of the published figures.

Go to www.Castboolits.gunloads.com and begin asking questions and you will get good answers. Your first assignment is to reload so that it shoots accurately with very little difference between shots. The load must be between the published figures which are safe and useful. Higher charges will be less accurate.

You should be able to put 5 rounds into a two inch circle at 25 feet. Many can shoot better, with holes touching.


48 posted on 04/08/2014 11:33:29 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: deks

Thanks for the education. It is as I knew from experience.


49 posted on 04/08/2014 11:37:00 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Blueflag

<< looking for insights into the various powders - to see if there is a load and a powder that provides a 100% powder burn for a 3.3 inch barrel, versus the longer barrels of my full size Sigs.>>

I shoot the same commercial ammo through my short barreled Glock Model 36 as I do the compact Model 30 and the full-sized Model 21. No problems encountered.

Doesn’t all the powder burn regardless of how long the barrel is?


50 posted on 04/08/2014 12:32:50 PM PDT by Klaatu Barada Nikto (Liberty is not a Loophole)
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