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Lesbian couple says baby’s baptism a sign Catholic views changing,want gay ‘marriage’ blessings
lifesitenews.com ^ | 04/08/2014 | GUALBERTO GARCIA JONES, J.D.

Posted on 04/08/2014 12:10:35 PM PDT by massmike

Fears that a public Catholic baptism ceremony for a Argentinean lesbian couple’s child would amount to little more than a media stunt to promote the Church's acceptance of homosexuality appear to have been borne out Saturday at the Archdiocese of Cordoba’s cathedral.

After the celebration of the sacrament, the couple, Karina Villarroel and Soledad Ortiz, kissed while posing for photos with the child, Umma Azul, at the front of the Church.

Villarroel, the non-biological “mother,” told local press the Catholic Church’s decision to grant the baptism was important “because it signifies that there is a real social change and acceptance" following the passage of the country's "marriage equality" law.

The final step, she said, would be “to be able to have the church consecrate their (gay) marriage, as right now it is only a civil marriage.”

Villarroel also explained that their decision to have Argentinean President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner as godmother was “a way of thanking her and ex-President Nestor Kirchner for the law which granted us our rights.” Kirchner, who was not present at the ceremony, was instrumental in the passage of same-sex “marriage” in 2010.

Critics of the archdiocese’s decision to proceed with the baptism have pointed to the Church’s Code of Canon Law, which says that for an infant to be baptized in the Catholic Church “there must be a founded hope that the infant will be brought up in the Catholic religion.”

The Catechism also clearly states, however, that “for the grace of Baptism to unfold, the parents' help is important. So too is the role of the godfather and godmother, who must be firm believers, able and ready to help the newly baptized - child or adult on the road of Christian life.”

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KEYWORDS: accessory; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; popefrancis; romancatholicism; waronchildren; waronreligion

1 posted on 04/08/2014 12:10:35 PM PDT by massmike
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To: massmike

a baby baptized is NOT a marriage legitimatized


2 posted on 04/08/2014 12:12:14 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: massmike

The Church’s decision to not punish a child signifies a change in doctrine. Got it.


3 posted on 04/08/2014 12:12:31 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: massmike

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4 posted on 04/08/2014 12:15:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: knarf

a baby baptized is NOT a marriage legitimatized


Zactly. Just because the baby’s legal gardians are creepy, doen’t mean Jesus puts that on the baby. Likewise, just because your parents are saved, It doesn’t mean you are. ;-)


5 posted on 04/08/2014 12:16:21 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: massmike

Not gonna happen. The baptism is about the baby ... not you and your “spouse”.


6 posted on 04/08/2014 12:17:10 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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7 posted on 04/08/2014 12:19:28 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: massmike

(Ezekiel 18:20) - “The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.”


8 posted on 04/08/2014 12:21:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactamundo.


9 posted on 04/08/2014 12:22:54 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: knarf
a baby baptized is NOT a marriage legitimatized

But aren't the "parents" admonished during the baptism to raise the child according to the Faith? The lesbians ARE brought into this sacrament.

10 posted on 04/08/2014 12:26:35 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

see cuban leaf #5


11 posted on 04/08/2014 12:30:46 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: massmike

12 posted on 04/08/2014 12:36:35 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: al_c
Not gonna happen. The baptism is about the baby ... not you and your “spouse”.

I'll bet that these deviants are still allowed communion, though.

13 posted on 04/08/2014 12:36:45 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
I'll bet that these deviants are still allowed communion, though.

Depends on what you mean by "allowed". Not every Eucharistic Minister knows them. When all is said and done, The hot burning coals are on their heads. If by "allowed" you mean the person who gives them Communion knows who they are, then it's reciprocal.

14 posted on 04/08/2014 12:50:33 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

How can the priest administering communion NOT know who they are, after this stunt?


15 posted on 04/08/2014 12:53:15 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

-— But aren’t the “parents” admonished during the baptism to raise the child according to the Faith -—

At least one, I believe. It seems to me like a tough pastoral decision.


16 posted on 04/08/2014 12:54:54 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: massmike

If they take the kid to Mass every Sunday and teach the child that homosexual acts are sinful, then I have no problem with it.


17 posted on 04/08/2014 12:55:27 PM PDT by forgotten man
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To: fwdude
How can the priest administering communion NOT know who they are, after this stunt?

Don't know. I'm not there, and I'm not the gossipy type.

18 posted on 04/08/2014 12:55:53 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: fwdude

I guess in this case the biological mother would be considered a single mother in the eyes of the Church, analogous to a sexually active single (heterosexual) mother.


19 posted on 04/08/2014 12:57:58 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

There is no such thing as a “biological mother,” there is just a mother.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 1:05:05 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: massmike
It's not the baby's fault that his/her mother (assuming one of them *is* the biological mother) is a pervert.These pigs can claim anything they want.They can claim that because they weren't stricken dead on the church's front steps Christ Himself weeps with joy when they do whatever they “do”.It doesn't make it true.
21 posted on 04/08/2014 1:18:35 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: massmike

Uh, people...........its Argentina! From what I’ve been reading, it appears only about 25% of the so-called “Catholics” in Argentina are.....Roman Catholic. Despite its appearance as a monolithic organization, the Roman Catholic Church as guided by “Rome”, has practically no control whatsoever over 50% of the so-called “Catholic” churches in South America. The other 50% are, from what I’ve seen, bizarre wack-job congregations with services that more resemble circus acts than actual Masses. Truly bizarre.


22 posted on 04/08/2014 1:21:17 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: massmike

You cannot compromise or appease fascists

They take it as an admission of guilt and weakness and renew their attacks


23 posted on 04/08/2014 1:21:44 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: massmike

The child is not the pervert. No reason to punish it.


24 posted on 04/08/2014 2:27:08 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: fwdude

Withholding the Eucharist isn’t a punishment for sinful behavior. By denying it to a person in a state of mortal sin, the priest is protecting the sinner from committing a sacrilege. In most cases, the priest doesn’t know whether or not someone presenting themselves for communion has confessed and repented. In a high profile case like this one, I would think that he would and would do the right thing.


25 posted on 04/08/2014 3:07:26 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: fwdude
"There is no such thing as a “biological mother,” there is just a mother."

Well, sometimes that term is used to distinguish between the birth mother and an adoptive mother or a foster mother.

26 posted on 04/08/2014 3:37:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Holy she is, the more Catholic she is.")
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To: al_c

Correct!!!

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27 posted on 04/08/2014 4:09:39 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: massmike
Pope Francis' response: "Who am I to judge?"
28 posted on 04/08/2014 5:13:13 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: massmike

People in Hell want ice water.


29 posted on 04/08/2014 5:15:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: massmike

I just love how these people think the Church is becoming more open minded and accepting of homosexuality by doing and saying things it has always said. You are loved by God, we all are. You are in serious sin if you act out on homosexuality. So the Church didn’t reject a baby for baptizing? What am I missing here? Baptizing a baby in the church has nothing to do with the serious immorality of the unwed sex partners and their dream to mock marriage and God.


30 posted on 04/08/2014 5:56:20 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: massmike

31 posted on 04/08/2014 9:57:56 PM PDT by Rodamala
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32 posted on 04/09/2014 6:00:29 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: massmike

no, the baby was baptized because it’s not his fault that his parents are living in sin. You can’t take it out on the baby because of the way the parents’ live.

The same goes for those heterosexuals who aren’t married and have children. If that’s going to be the case, then very few children will be baptized.


33 posted on 04/09/2014 6:57:59 PM PDT by Coleus
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