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Idiot Sgt. Major Michael Barrett Pushes for Lower Pay for Marines Saying “It Will Raise Discipline”
The Daily Caller ^ | 4-10-2014 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 04/10/2014 5:01:45 PM PDT by servo1969

Sgt. Major Michael Barrett greets Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel. (American Military News)

Idiot Sgt. Major Michael Barrett, the highest enlisted member of the US Marine Corps, told Congress Marines don’t need higher pay. Barrett said he believes lower pay will “raise discipline.”

Nice job looking out for your brothers, Sergeant Major.

American Military News reported:

The highest enlisted member of the United States Marine Corps said that lowering salary of Marines will “raise discipline” and make Marines less wasteful. The comments come as a debate in Washington talks about cutting active duty member pay in order to make sharp budget cuts at the Department of Defense. The comments came as he testified in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee. The base salary for the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps is $7,816.20 per month. ______________

Lower pay and slimmed-down benefits will make Marines more disciplined and less wasteful, according to the Corps’ top enlisted Marine.

In comments before a Senate Armed Services Committee panel on Wednesday, Sgt. Maj. of the Marine Corps Micheal Barrett dismissed lawmaker concerns that proposed compensation trims in the Pentagon’s fiscal 2015 budget proposal would hurt troops’ morale or desire to serve.

“Marines don’t run around asking about compensation, retirement modernization,” he said. “That’s not on their mind. As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next.

“They want to know about what new equipment are we getting, are we continuing to modernize. Just because the budget sucks, does that mean we’re not going to get our new gear?”

Barrett’s comments came in contrast to his counterparts in the other services, who conceded to senators that lower pay raises, scaled-back commissary offerings and smaller housing stipends would be problematic for many service members.

Instead, Barrett argued that the lower quality of life would be beneficial to Marines.

“I truly believe it will raise discipline,” he said. “You’ll have better spending habits. You won’t be so wasteful.”



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1 posted on 04/10/2014 5:01:45 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Methinks there’s a Peter Principle at work with this guy.

Or something.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 5:05:04 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: servo1969

“Marines don’t run around asking about compensation, retirement modernization,” he said. “That’s not on their mind. As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next.

“They want to know about what new equipment are we getting, are we continuing to modernize. Just because the budget sucks, does that mean we’re not going to get our new gear?”

Seems like a very Marine thing to say and I sure they would rather have new gear so they come home safe but they still have families to take are of - bills to pay.


3 posted on 04/10/2014 5:08:36 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: servo1969

That works if you re institute the draft. Then you can pay whatever you want, even if it puts recruits below the poverty line. Is the SgtMajor calling for the draft?


4 posted on 04/10/2014 5:10:48 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: servo1969

Oh yeah, that’ll really encourage intelligent, patriotic young men to sign up, no won’t it? I say cut HIS salary in half and also all those who think this is a good idea!


5 posted on 04/10/2014 5:11:07 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: F15Eagle

He’s a politician now, not a warrior. Most flag officers are like that as well. Interacting with those infected with the D.C. poison was always awful when I was in the Corps. It must be even worse now.


6 posted on 04/10/2014 5:11:33 PM PDT by American Guesser
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To: servo1969

He knows the facts. It is time for some fine tuning, for instance giving low pay during the first enlistment and the first three ranks, and changes in new recruits having families and being female, and changes in treating everyone the same, regardless of MOS.

“Military pay, allowances, and health care costs have risen more than 90 percent since 2001, while the size of the active duty force has grown by less than 3 percent in that same time, according to the Council on Foreign Relations . Today the average total cost per sailor, Marine, soldier, or airman is nearly $115,000 compared with $58,000 in 2001, according to a study from the Center for American Progress. The military retirement system is projected to have an unfunded liability of $2.7 trillion by 2034, according to a Defense Business Board report.
Yes, that was trillion—with a ‘T.’”

http://news.usni.org/2013/07/10/opinion-military-pay-and-benefits-unsustainable


7 posted on 04/10/2014 5:14:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: servo1969
I had a friend whose Brother was a SGT Major in the Marines. He was much older and did WW2, Korea, and VN I don't think he would agree.

Where is Al Grey when we need him x5.

8 posted on 04/10/2014 5:15:27 PM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: servo1969

So they’re cutting military salaries? When did that happen?


9 posted on 04/10/2014 5:15:33 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
So they’re cutting military salaries?

I don't think it's happened yet, but if this is one of those times when they float a trial balloon of an idea, in a week all the stupid Progressives wil be on board and will already have their catch phrase memorized.

10 posted on 04/10/2014 5:19:05 PM PDT by uncitizen (Impeach the Communist Already!)
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To: servo1969
“Marines don’t run around asking about compensation, retirement modernization,” he said. “That’s not on their mind. As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next.

I never bumped into the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps when I was in but if I had, the LAST thing I would've done is complain about pay. If I'd felt compelled by circumstance to ask him something, it wouldn't have been that, or anything like it.

Kind of wondering if he's forgotten what it was like to be a non-rate or a junior NCO.

11 posted on 04/10/2014 5:19:51 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: F15Eagle
Methinks there’s a Peter Principle at work with this guy.

Or something.

You mean the Principle of he must be thinking with his Peter because he sure isn't using his brain!

12 posted on 04/10/2014 5:22:46 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: melsec
“Marines don’t run around asking about compensation, retirement modernization,” he said. “That’s not on their mind. As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next.

RIIIIIIIGHT! Marines never give any thought or consideration to their families or life after the Corps!

13 posted on 04/10/2014 5:24:53 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: servo1969

Nice little Dhimmi Marine.

(Yes, I know I spelled Dhimmi wrong...)


14 posted on 04/10/2014 5:25:21 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: servo1969

So, if they get no pay, I guess they’ll be ecstatic.


15 posted on 04/10/2014 5:28:52 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: servo1969

What if the institute a policy of no extra pay for married military people unless they are at least E-4? Don’t pay extra for gold diggers who marry new recruits.


16 posted on 04/10/2014 5:32:42 PM PDT by forgotten man
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To: forgotten man

Great idea. Let’s prohibit young, patriotic men in the prime of their lives from marrying and having children.


17 posted on 04/10/2014 5:37:17 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: forgotten man

Is he getting ready to retire? Is he looking for a job in the DoD? Or maybe as Obama’s shoe shine boy?


18 posted on 04/10/2014 5:37:42 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: ansel12

Ansel, you’re wrong. We insist that our first-term enlistees can be married and then we insist that our troops have to be able to support their families while we deploy them six months at a crack.

We either provide the compensation their service requires, or we go back to the draft - or learn Chinese.


19 posted on 04/10/2014 5:40:15 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: servo1969

Total fool.

He needs a slap in the face.


20 posted on 04/10/2014 5:45:43 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Chainmail

How could I be wrong when I included that?

I don’t see this military working out, and every year it will get worse as it becomes smaller, and more and more female, and a place for families and single moms to find high paying, secure careers and retirement in their 30s and early 40s.

How many here would not want to return to the warrior class of the old military, when it was single men and hard living, and low pay, at least for the lower ranks.

College campuses today are populated by majority females, the military will become the same, as the men continue to not show up, continue to not enlist, once that snow ball starts rolling (as it has), then it feeds itself at an ever increasing rate.

The military is in the process of becoming just another high paid federal job with great benefits.


21 posted on 04/10/2014 5:49:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: trisham
Great idea. Let’s prohibit young, patriotic men in the prime of their lives from marrying and having children.

The lower ranks being made up of working moms and dads, is new, and I don't think it is an improvement.

22 posted on 04/10/2014 6:00:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Mastador1

Would be good if you read all my post - that was a quote from the article!


23 posted on 04/10/2014 6:02:38 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: servo1969

Now you know what is at the bottom when they drain the swamp!!!!


24 posted on 04/10/2014 6:20:32 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (I think the Administration would get more respect if they just went ahead and wore clown suits.)
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To: servo1969; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


25 posted on 04/10/2014 6:21:49 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: servo1969

I think he got blown up without his helmet on once too often.


26 posted on 04/10/2014 6:27:39 PM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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To: Gamecock
I think he got blown up without his helmet on once too often.

I think he's a flipping idiot.

And for full disclosure: I'm a retired Sergeant Major.

27 posted on 04/10/2014 7:02:39 PM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: melsec

Why would you assume that I didn’t or that the comment was directed at you? Is it not possible to respond to a quote from the article in your comment without it being directed at you, or did you think I was confused by the part of the quote that stated “he said”?


28 posted on 04/10/2014 7:06:53 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: ansel12

So - in the absence of suitable male volunteers, your plan is to just throw in the towel? Just hand the keys over to al Qaeda or Russia and enjoy our new role?

Sorry, no: the answer is to throw out the current leadership, get quality volunteers, train them, equip them, and support them. I’d you don’t like bill, move someplace safer. Canada was popular for evaders a few years ago.

Service is not a quick way for a cushy retirement. It’s tough work, 24/7 with many chances of dying early or being crippled. You think it’s easy, sign up, Big Guy.


29 posted on 04/10/2014 7:07:32 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
So - in the absence of suitable male volunteers, your plan is to just throw in the towel? Just hand the keys over to al Qaeda or Russia and enjoy our new role?

That was a pretty silly post.

Especially when I want to increase and strengthen the military, and return it to more of a warrior camp.

Why don't you try reading my posts.

30 posted on 04/10/2014 7:10:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: servo1969
A ready standing military is a REQUIREMENT for congress to oversee funding for. Not the SGT Major and not the Sec of Defense. Yes since 2001 and one cost for troops has gone up. Perhaps some need to pull their heads out of the smelly abyss and remember why. First time troops deployed not just once, not just twice, but three - five times on up to one year deployments.

Seen the Wounded Warrior Commercials? Well Duh Gee what happun? The lowest E-1 to the highest E-9 if they are doing their job deserve their pay for their labor. When you take into account hours worked per pay it's a huge bargain for taxpayers.

You get what you pay for. If you want better physically fit troops in the recruitment and be able to recruit troops with better test scores etc then it is going to have to be worth their while to join. Even Jimmy Carter finally figured that much out.

Start cutting some federal agencies such as the EPA and start raising End Troops Strengths. Many jobs in the military pay much higher on the outside. Boiler Techs when I was in were getting out and going to work for places like TVA the same with some Machinist Mates and Electrician Mates. How many Lower Pay Shills would work 18 to sometimes 20 hours a day in a ships propulsion plant at 125 plus degrees in 100% humidity? Would you do it on E-1 through E-4 pay at sea for up to seven months?

Keeping pay low was tried in the past. Retention tanked as did morale and they ended up in 1977-1980 economy paying up to $18K plus next rank just to keep junior enlisted for another enlistment.

Our troops have been in a perpetual combat deployment mode since the days of POTUS Poppy Bush. Most Lifers today have not served under a more relaxed mode enjoyed even in The Cold War. Troops are now deployed longer and more often today than in Nam, Korea, and for even most of WW2. A typical enlistment obligation is now Eight years not six or the 4/2 3/3 obligation many served under earlier.

Our troops deserve their pay and our support. The priorities of today rather than taking care of what is needed to keep a ready military is focused instead on appeasing Homosexuals, Muslims, adaptions for women on ships, and other so called victim groups which has no place in combat deployment.

Now we have the USMC highest ranking enlisted saying take away more pay Sir? Hagel should have never been confirmed as Sec of Defense nor for that matter most of the others following the Reagan years.

31 posted on 04/10/2014 7:19:55 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: OldSmaj

Hoo-oh SGM.

I’m an active duty field grade. The last thing I need is for my Soldiers to be underpaud and not able to take care of their families.

And I am the son of a CSM.


32 posted on 04/10/2014 7:20:42 PM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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To: Gamecock
And I am the son of a CSM.

And so I suspect there are two very proud warriors, one current, one past.

And I also suspect that your father's best advice to you before you set out on your career, was to always listen to and heed the advice of your senior NCOs.

It's a damned shame, though, when some of them forget where the hell they've been and are blinded by the political light.

It was my experience that the various Sergeants Majors of the Army were ass-kissing SOBs who had lost their way in pursuit of a "position".

I guess the Marines are pretty much the same.

Have a good day, Sir.

33 posted on 04/10/2014 7:32:56 PM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: F15Eagle

Where’s he going to go? He’s THE highest ranking non-commissioned Marine. No place left to be promoted TO.

It could just be a serious case of that old time Marine gung-ho.


34 posted on 04/10/2014 7:38:57 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: OldSmaj

He did just that SGM.

Thanks for your service. I’ll be joining you on the retirement rile in a few short months.

I’ll buy you a beer and we can toast fallen comrades.


35 posted on 04/10/2014 7:39:44 PM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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To: EDINVA

“No place left to be promoted TO.”

He no doubt was promised a career with a civilian company for his selling out of the Marines. It is how high ranking career military are often repaid.


36 posted on 04/10/2014 7:59:12 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: servo1969
One ting I learned as a SNCO...Never screw your charges.

Looks like this sorry SOB just did.


37 posted on 04/10/2014 8:45:19 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: forgotten man

Used to be that E-1 through E-4 did not marry without the commander’s permission preceded by the first sergeant’s recommendation.

Impoverished married junior enlisted have now been around since Vietnam & it’s not a pretty sight. The effect on individual & unit readiness is measurable but not always publically visible due to political correctness.

Impoverished junior enlisted single moms are even worse off.

What the USMC Cmd Sgt Major said seems cruel (never talk of cutting soldier pay) but effectiveness in battle is always subject to compromise by individual personal factors.

Asking sacrifice of others from a position of privilege doesn’t help matters either.


38 posted on 04/10/2014 9:29:26 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Mastador1

It read like you were quoting that as being my statement especially when I said the same thing as u later in my post. In other words it read like the “Yeah RIIIGHT” was for me! Sorry!

Cheers

Mel


39 posted on 04/10/2014 9:55:59 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: servo1969

Right. Where exactly will this extra cash flow? No doubt into his pockets.


40 posted on 04/10/2014 10:12:49 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo (The more helpless the victim, the more hideous the assault.)
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To: CodeToad

He’d have that anyway. Maybe higher than normal and time will tell if his post-USMC career is beyond his predecessors.


41 posted on 04/10/2014 10:15:33 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: servo1969

I’m a bit confused...by the Sgt. Major.

How does cutting a Marine’s pay equal “less wasteful”? It is their pay is it not? Are they not entitled to do with it what they please?

How does a Marine’s spending habits of his duly earned pay, approved by the DoD affect the budget?

If the DoD needs to trim spending, reduce promotion rates, slow pay increases, cut some of the redundant positions in the DoD and Pentagon, reduce the number of Sr. Officers and Sr. Enlisted, etc.

Better yet, cut other wasteful government spending and direct the savings to the DoD and to reducing our debt.

I would be a tad upset, not more disciplined if my pay was cut at the behest of my Sr. Enlisted leader knowing full well that Washington was spending money faster than it can be printed.


42 posted on 04/10/2014 10:23:59 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: EDINVA

I am saying maybe he got higher up than he should have gotten.

The Peter Principle is they’re promoted beyond their capabilities.

I’d say he’s there.


43 posted on 04/10/2014 11:46:08 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: servo1969

He ain’t no Chesty Puller! He is just a Piece O’crap suck up if you ask me!


44 posted on 04/10/2014 11:58:01 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: servo1969; F15Eagle; Jet Jaguar
I'd like to march this guy in front of every family who has endured the pain of multiple deployments, as mom or dad left for over a year (again).

I have seen his kind before: courtiers who will say and do anything for their own careers, no matter how much it hurts the soldier, sailor, airman, or marine - and their families.


45 posted on 04/11/2014 2:30:18 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: servo1969

Congress is underpaid & the Marines are overpaid?

I keep waking up each morning thinking it was just a nightmare. Wrong! The nightmare is real & getting more horrifying each day.


46 posted on 04/11/2014 5:58:13 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: melsec
It's Ok! Even though I believe I have a gift for sarcasm other people don't share my opinion.
47 posted on 04/11/2014 8:25:43 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

It’s harder to tell in writing :)


48 posted on 04/11/2014 4:48:13 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: ansel12
Oh, I have. You're an amateur, a chairborne ranger. I've done this for a living, you haven't.

Nothing more annoying than have somebody spout off about a subject they haven't any direct experience with. I commanded a battalion during our many operation budget cuts. I ended up paying to support some of my troops' families out of my own pocket during their deployments.

Your comments about the "easy retirement" betrays your lack of knowledge.

49 posted on 04/12/2014 4:10:27 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

To: Chainmail
So - in the absence of suitable male volunteers, your plan is to just throw in the towel? Just hand the keys over to al Qaeda or Russia and enjoy our new role?
That was a pretty silly post.

Especially when I want to increase and strengthen the military, and return it to more of a warrior camp.

Why don’t you try reading my posts.
30 posted on 4/10/2014 7:10:38 PM by ansel12


Oh, I have. You’re an amateur, a chairborne ranger. I’ve done this for a living, you haven’t.
Nothing more annoying than have somebody spout off about a subject they haven’t any direct experience with. I commanded a battalion during our many operation budget cuts. I ended up paying to support some of my troops’ families out of my own pocket during their deployments.

Your comments about the “easy retirement” betrays your lack of knowledge.


This is getting confusing, you are faking quotes and lying, so what is it you want to say represents you as an officer?


50 posted on 04/12/2014 4:25:29 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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