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WEEKLY GARDENING THREAD VOLUME 15 APRIL 11, 2014
Free Republic | 4/11/2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 04/11/2014 12:34:19 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Greetings from Missouri. We have had a mild day with lots of sunshine today. I think we are supposed to get some showers later on today or maybe tomorrow.

All of the plants I started last week have at least one (some have more) that has produced some teeny green leaves barely poking through the seed starter.

So I went to see the Governor today, at a nearby town, and was able to give a brief comment. I focused on the success in maintaining our AAA bond rating. And challeneged the state government to continue to be fiscally responsible.(Enough of the politcs on to the gardening).

Since this town has a Lowe's I was able to swing by that store to get some mushroom compost at a reasonible price. Of course I also ran across some large bags of vermiculite, a gardening book on Gardening in Missouri, and some slow release fertilizer granuales to restock my dwindling supply.

Mr. Tomato Plant in a six inch pot has grown two main branches. One is about 3 1/2 feet, and the other is at least 6 feet. It's water requirements are such that I am now watering it 3 times/day. Will be rigging up a ceramic holder for watering using a 1 liter soda bottle, so that it gets a continuous supply daily.

Lemon tree has some large lemons that are still green, some pea sized lemons from the last blooming, and is now putting on more blooms, so the air will be heavy with fragrance soon.

Here's a link to a thread about planting tomatoes, in case anyone is interested.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3142431/posts

Have a great weekend. God Bless

1 posted on 04/11/2014 12:34:19 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List:


2 posted on 04/11/2014 12:38:06 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Ahhh...How nice to have a gardening thread here. Such a nice, benevolent break for the incessant politics. This site is FreeRepublic, which is what America is created to be. And after all, America is really what the joy of gardening is about, much more than what an out of control federal government is about.


3 posted on 04/11/2014 12:42:35 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

Thanks for the kind words. I am just trying to keep alive and relearn the ways of my grandparents who made it through the great depression in a shack on a tiny farm where they were able to take care of themselves and their children.

In addition trying to help as many who are interested to be able to provide great quality food and nutrition for their families.


4 posted on 04/11/2014 12:47:43 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

My tomato plants that I set out three weeks ago have doubled in size. Most of them have a few blooms.

My green beans are about 3 inches tall.

I planted three hills of cucumbers and only two plants came up. So I replanted.

My purple hull peas weren’t coming up so I dug them up, watered the seeds and re-covered them. They’re now coming up.

For some reason only one of the two rolls of okra came up and it won’t need to be thinned.

I guess it just hasn’t been hot enough.


5 posted on 04/11/2014 12:52:58 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: greeneyes

Beautiful weather here in Central Missouri this week. I noticed yesterday that two of my plum trees have started to bloom. Asparagus is coming, rhubarb is coming, broccoli and cauliflowers all got froze and killed a couple weeks ago, so I’ll be replanting some of that stuff over the weekend. Maybe put out another orchard tree or two. Mrs. Augie wants a HoneyCrisp apple but I haven’t been able to find them locally so I guess I’ll have to go the mail order route on that.


6 posted on 04/11/2014 12:53:58 PM PDT by Augie
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To: VerySadAmerican

Almost all plants germinate better at temperatures above 70 degrees, as long as it’s not scorching hot. Planting in soil outdoors in the spring at temps lower than that, means much slower germination - even for the so called cool crops.


7 posted on 04/11/2014 12:58:26 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Mr. Tomato Plant.... It's water requirements are such that I am now watering it 3 times/day.

That's one guzzling, high maintenance 'mater plant. What river can you tap into when it really gets hot? (;

8 posted on 04/11/2014 1:00:54 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Augie

Our fruit trees are beginning to bud also. We planted them in 2010 and 2011. The extreme drought killed on of the apple trees.

Last year we did have peaches that started to grow, but they were so stunted, that we decided to pull them off, and allow the tree to regain it’s vigor from the drought.

We are hoping to get some fruit from the trees this year.


9 posted on 04/11/2014 1:01:07 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

The real issue is all roots and not much soil. It’a cherry tomato, and I planted it in a 6 inch pot intending to replant it into a larger pot, which I never got around to.

I am planning on burying the pot in the ground, and then digging a trench to the side for the large stalk which is hanging down, pulling off the leaves, and covering at least 18” with soil. I’ll put the continuous watering as needed bottle/ceramic gizmo in the pot, and water the trenched part as normal.


10 posted on 04/11/2014 1:05:39 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
You made it back. I was just about to forget to start the thread, because I was outside working. If I hadn't taken a break and seen your ping, I would have completely forgotten.

Which just proves that you are indispensable. Thanks for starting the thread every week.

/johnny

11 posted on 04/11/2014 1:09:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Yes you mentioned that long hanging down ‘mater stalk a few threads back. I have a few ‘maters started in Feb with real long stalks so when I plant them next week going to dig a deep hole and cover just below the branching leaves and add in compost too plus crushed egg shells since they like calcium. I’m hoping this will develop a shorter but thicker stalk. What do you think ‘mater expert?


12 posted on 04/11/2014 1:15:18 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes
Things are starting to kick into high gear here in Central Florida. Already harvested collards, broccoli and radishes. Cukes and tomatoes are next.


13 posted on 04/11/2014 1:16:04 PM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: greeneyes
Hey all... This year we are going high tech... Well sort of... we bout the 8 foot veg trug Plus we wound up utting out 4 other pots and 3 whiskey barrells. We have everything out and growing. The cucumbers, tomatoes and carrots have really sprouted. All are about 6" tall after 2 weeks. The only thing still under ground are the poblano peppers. The leeks, rosemary, sage, thyme tomatillos (we had to go plants as the seeds wouldnt germinate)are all growing well. Our Lemon tree has put on about 10 buds. Its still pretty small only about 4 feet tall. Hopefully we will get some fruit this year. Will post some pictures when I get out from behind this coporate firewall :)
14 posted on 04/11/2014 1:19:05 PM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

No one person is indispensable, but thanks.LOL


15 posted on 04/11/2014 1:20:54 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Jed Eckert

Nice pictures. I hope my crops will start producing soon.


16 posted on 04/11/2014 1:21:50 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other: "Does this taste funny to you?")
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To: greeneyes

None of my cherry tomato seeds have sprouted. Not one.


17 posted on 04/11/2014 1:22:37 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Syntyr

It’s beautiful!


18 posted on 04/11/2014 1:24:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tflabo

Well, since each little joint will put out roots I was planning on picking off the leaves, starting at the place where the plant naturally strikes the ground after planting the little pot.

From that point I am picking off the leaves for about 18 inches in lenth. Placeing that lenght in a trench of several inches deep (my soil starts to clay up after about 6-8 inches.

Once the roots have developed they will decide how deep they need to go all on their own. YMMV


19 posted on 04/11/2014 1:25:58 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Jed Eckert

Thanks for sharing the pictues. Those are some good looking veggies.


20 posted on 04/11/2014 1:26:54 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Syntyr

That is so nifty looking, and bound to be easier on a person’s back. I’ll have to show it to hubby, and see if he can make one pretty cheap.


21 posted on 04/11/2014 1:28:41 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

Are the current year seeds? Were you starting them indoors? What medium are you trying to use to sprout them?


22 posted on 04/11/2014 1:29:49 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Placeing that lenght = Placing that length
23 posted on 04/11/2014 1:30:56 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Placeing that lenght = Placing that length


24 posted on 04/11/2014 1:33:06 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Syntyr

I wanted to get one of those for the community garden, then
lost the catalog. DUH...then I forgot about it, now I’m
thinking, again, of getting one, or get someone to build one
for me.


25 posted on 04/11/2014 1:38:32 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: greeneyes

Yes, current year, indoors, and potting soil. A number of reviewers mentioned that they didn’t have good germination, but I didn’t think that was likely to happen, given how careful I am. The variety is “Black Cherry”, which I’ve never grown. It’s an heirloom tomato.

We use potting soil rather than the seed-starting formula, because we’ve had problems in the past with germination and watering.

We’ve decided to buy a cherry tomato, probably that old standby, sweet 100 because it’s getting too late now in the season.


26 posted on 04/11/2014 1:40:47 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I grew this tomato in 2010. It was interesting looking and tasting. It was such a different color from the other cherry tomatoes, that I was never quite sure when was the right time for picking.

I grew about 15 different varieties that year and then picked the 5 I liked the best. The Black Cherry was not one of the five.

Sometimes the germination time is quite longer than the average, and if you continue to keep the soil at the correct temp and moisture they will suprise you and sprout, however, it does mess up one’s planned schedule.


27 posted on 04/11/2014 1:52:14 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

It could be “bad” seed from the seed company. Maybe deficient seeds made in past quality control.


28 posted on 04/11/2014 1:54:48 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

TIP - This might be a duuuuhhhhh! tip that you all know but as I was getting some transplants into the ground by digging their holes with a bulb planter, it dawned on me that the bulb planter would dig up little plants that had sprung up on their own in places they don’t belong. Using the bulb planter seems to dig them up without the damage a trowel does.

All the transplants have been set out except the tomatoes and peppers. I’m working on them this evening but won’t finish until tomorrow. One tray of each never did come up. I’ve decided to only concentrate on getting early starts with tomatoes, peppers and peanuts in the future because the other veggies needed to be restarted two and three times so it’s just not worth the effort.

The berry bushes are doing fine.

I’m still excited over the 15 year old peanuts. Of the 36 started, 30 made it into the garden. Not too shabby, huh!

The corn, cukes and squash that were planted in the garden two weeks ago didn’t come up. I used the last of the corn seeds and don’t plan on ever trying them again since they have never produced an edible ear. I don’t understand why the cukes and squash didn’t germinate so they’ll get reseeded in a few days. Only two squash germinated.

WEEDS!!!! They’re baaaack! Millions and millions of the little buggers. Mostly where the asparagus is and corn was supposed to be, once the rest of the garden gets planted, the corn area will have to be tilled again or something.


29 posted on 04/11/2014 1:57:31 PM PDT by bgill
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To: greeneyes

I’m going to give it a few more days and then plant some other type of seed in those pots. I hate giving up on anything.


30 posted on 04/11/2014 1:57:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tflabo; greeneyes

My granny used to grow tomatoes at the river’s edge. Best ‘maters in the world!


31 posted on 04/11/2014 1:58:29 PM PDT by bgill
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To: greeneyes

We’re still getting below freezing temps at night, so I’m not feeling too much pressure at the moment.


32 posted on 04/11/2014 1:59:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

I ususally prime my okra in a longish overnight soak in warm tap water + 1tbsp of bleach. Put seeds, water and bleach into a teacup and let sit on top of fridge from suppertime until the next day sometime. Never had a problem with okra germination since I’ve don that.


33 posted on 04/11/2014 2:01:48 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: trisham

A word of warning about that black cherry, it’ll never see your table because you’ll be treating yourself to them while you garden. Just like candy!


34 posted on 04/11/2014 2:02:54 PM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

That sounds perfect!


35 posted on 04/11/2014 2:09:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

I’ll be caging the tomatoes this week. Some are close to two feet tall. A few are budding and I expect blooms later in the week.

The new peach, pear and plum tree have little fruit already. My original pear tree is loaded. It’s close to 20 years old, so I planted a new one.

Beans, turnips, cucumbers, spinach, squash and other veggies are doing great. If only I cold keep the cats out of the garden. They hunt for grubs in the dirt.


36 posted on 04/11/2014 2:11:05 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: bgill
WEEDS!!!! They’re baaaack! Millions and millions of the little buggers.

That's what I like about the no-till. When weeds show up, dump a bushel of leaves, or some compost or a piece of cardboard, or some mulch over the weeds and smother them.

/johnny

37 posted on 04/11/2014 2:31:37 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

I turned over some of my garden the other day and there were still ice crystals in the soil.

However, we are in for a warm spell and the soil was thawed enough that I put in my lettuce and peas.

What with the way spring is so late, I figured I’d need all the head start I could get.

Zucchini seeds are going in the peat pots tomorrow.


38 posted on 04/11/2014 2:32:59 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: greeneyes

Ping!!


39 posted on 04/11/2014 2:35:58 PM PDT by Mckenzie14
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; rightly_dividing; sockmonkey; Nepeta; Silentgypsy; ApplegateRanch; ...
Just went out and counted containers. Some containers have more than one plant in them. I could have missed the count slightly, but there are 111, I counted for sure. I know I'll add at least four more and some of those with more than one in them, may need transplanting as the plants grow. So, that is container count, not the count of actual plants as that number is much greater than 111.

Saw two strawberries turning red and blooms on blackberries, blooms and tiny green and orange oranges on orange tree (if any stay on there and grow), blooms on two different kinds of peas. All types onions with tall green tops.

A number of Tromboncino squash doing well with the first one I planted about 7-8 inches tall. All those T squash will grow to be ten feet tall. All types cucumbers and all types peppers growing quickly - some 6-7 inches tall but most less than that. The first cucumbers I put out were killed by cold.

Four different tomatoes were shocked by the cold I think as they are about 12 inches tall but don't look stout to me so I started more seed and just put those out yesterday, and put another kind out there today so there are eight types of tomatoes out there.

I began to start seeds in paper cups the middle of January. Then, when plants outgrew the cups, transplanted into bigger hard plastic pots and put them in the small greenhouse and started other seeds. I have three paper cups still under the grow lamp but those are the last ones under the lamp for a while. Will start seeds again for a fall garden, probably first to mid-August. Have to consult with Johnny about the right time to start.

I'm impressed with the Deck Corn plants from Burpee - they are really growing fast and have thick trunks - some are 14-16 inches tall. You know for sure those are corn plants.

As most of you know, this is the first time for me to have an actual spring container garden so if I get food from some of these plants, I'll celebrate. :o)

40 posted on 04/11/2014 2:40:22 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: bgill

You could pull those weeds out now and just throw them down with the roots exposed and let them “compost” in place or add them to brown compost to give it a Kick.

Peanuts - that’s an 83% germination rate, which means those peanuts are very viable. What type peanut was it? FIY, anything below 70% germination means that the seed’s viability is not so great.

Sure it sprouted, but the lower the germination rate, the less likely to have vigerous plants/good return on harvest.

Best spoil temps for germination of corn:77-95 degrees,Cukes 77-95 degrees, corcubits 77-95.

In additon, most of the info on seed savings that I have read state that corn is simply not that viable after 2 years, so I imagine that it would take some very mindful seed saving to get corn to sprout after the year it is intended for.

I think that bulb planter is the cat’s meow. Great for lots of stuff. I like to use it for making a hole to stick my transplants in.


41 posted on 04/11/2014 2:43:58 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

I share your pain/obsession.LOL


42 posted on 04/11/2014 2:45:15 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: bgill

Can’t beat that river delta dirt for growing maters or most anything else.LOL


43 posted on 04/11/2014 2:45:56 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

:)


44 posted on 04/11/2014 2:46:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

19 plants went into the garden this afternoon. Four varieties of peppers and red and green B. sprouts.

We’re keeping the frost cover on to prevent the little guys from keeling over; that sun is blazing today.

Cheers to all who visit the Garden Thread each Friday !


45 posted on 04/11/2014 2:47:12 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

We planted some very small fruit and nut trees in 2010 and 2011. We have not yet had any edible fruit. Last year we had cherries that were the size of elderberries, maybe a little smaller even.

The peaches were stunted runts, that never developed to full maturity, in spite of the fact that we picked most of the fruit off so the tree wouldn’t be overly stressed, since it’s not too big yet.

Our big returns are actually due to the native plants that just happened to be here.

Walnuts, butternuts, hickory nuts, persimmons, black berries, dew berries, and rose hips from wild roses.


46 posted on 04/11/2014 2:51:24 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Those peppers for sure will appreciate the cover for a while yet.

I am enjoying the sunshine just as much as the plants. It always gives me a little more energy and inspiration.


47 posted on 04/11/2014 2:53:26 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

Looking at all the 111 containers out on my deck and in the net room, makes me feel tired. I must have done that, grown all those seeds and transplanted them twice into larger containers. Perhaps I’ll get over the tired feeling when there is actually something to eat out there. I’ve said before if I get no food, I’m checking into a nunnery somewhere. :o)


48 posted on 04/11/2014 2:57:53 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

LOL! I hear you.


49 posted on 04/11/2014 3:04:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

Thank you for the info! Here’s something on gardening that’s off the beaten path, but it should be interesting and also informative.

Sepp Holzer’s Permaculture
http://www.richsoil.com/sepp-holzer/sepp-holzer-permaculture.jsp


50 posted on 04/11/2014 3:08:26 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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